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    History and Historians on Jat Mauryan Empire[ founded by Chandragupta in c 323 BC]

    Bhim Singh Dahiya: "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979), p.112-133. & http://www.iranchamber.com/history/a...f_mauryas1.php :

    "In 1979 the famous Jat historian B.S.Dehiya published a paper entitled "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979), p.112-133. In this now classic treatise, B.S.Dehiya proved several points, including the following:
    • The Mauryas, Muras, or rather Mors, were Jats, and hence Scythian or East Iranic in origin.
    • Consequently, Ashoka, Chandragupta and all other emperors of the Mauryan Dynasty were Scythian Jats (p.116).
    • The Atharva Veda was the creation of Iranic sun-priests or Magas, and was not part of the original Vedic tradition (p.128).
    • The primordial Jat religion was that of the original Iranic race, namely monotheist Sun-worship, which they and their Maga priests carried wherever they migrated (p.119, 128).
    • Chanakya or Kautilya, brain behind the Mauryan Empire and author of the famous Artha-Sastra, was an Iranic sun-priest or Maga (p.128).
    • The Mauryas or Mors were close kin of the Amorites of Babylonia and Egypt. (p.131)
    • The Jat immigrants are close kin of the ancient Gutians of Sumeria (p.131), and the Goths or Gots (p.125), known in Latin as Getae."

      Source:- Bhim Singh Dahiya: "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979), p.112-133. & http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/iranic_identity_of_mauryas1.php

      Have a Look:

      * http://www.jatland.com/home/Mor

      * http://www.jattworld.com/online/jatt...-ancient-india

      * http://www.jattworld.com/online/bird...w-jatt-history
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    The Two Houses of Israel Information Center

    >> Asia's "Jats" and "Alani" Become Europe's "Jutes" and "Alans" - The Two Houses of Israel Information Center : http://www.israelite.info/bookexcerp...ibestoday.html <<
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    Post Important Scholars who identified Jats as Massagetaeans

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    The Two Houses of Israel Information Center

    Quote Originally Posted by Moar View Post
    >> Asia's "Jats" and "Alani" Become Europe's "Jutes" and "Alans" - The Two Houses of Israel Information Center : http://www.israelite.info/bookexcerp...ibestoday.html <<
    * http://www.israelite.info/bookreview...4synopsis.html

    * http://www.israelite.info/commentary...-prophecy.html

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    According to the extended Mahāvaṁśa, (Ed. by G. P. Malakasekara, vol. V, 95-101, p. 60), which says: [ .... Devanagari line ....] the word was known in the entire Jambūdvīpa as Mor and Aśoka was known as Mor Rājā (SIHC, p.71).

    Source: Bhim Singh Dahiya: "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979), p.112-133. ( http://www.iranchamber.com/history/a...f_mauryas1.php )

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    Moar Sahib,

    Kindly share if you have any newer information about Maurya Empire Founder, Chandragupta.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Moar Sahib,

    Kindly share if you have any newer information about Maurya Empire Founder, Chandragupta.

    Thanks
    Dear Sir, some research-work has definitely suggested that Mor / Maur (Morya / Maurya) Empire was riding-high before Chandragupta's birth, and was an Insigne of JATs.

    I AM Gearing-Up for further input & output !!
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    iranian.com: Jats and Gutians - Kurds and Gutians, Samir Abbas

    >> iranian.com: Jats and Gutians - Kurds and Gutians, Samir Abbas : http://www.iranian.com/History/2005/March/Gutians/ <<

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    "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979)

    Excerpts from -- Bhim Singh Dahiya: "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979), p. 131-132. -- :




    "We may mention that there is evidence to show that the Mauryas were from the ancient Maṇda empire. Much earlier, we find them named as Muru or Mor by the Egyptians and the scriptures. There, these Mores were called Amuru and Amor or Amorites. CAH mentions that the initial vowel, `a', is added to make pronunciation easier for the Semites, (vol.III, p.194). Thus, the initial vowel `a' has to be ignored in order to find the correct name of these people and this clearly remains as Mur/Mor. This is the same as the Moor of Europe and the Mor clan of the Jats in India. When they attacked the king of the 11th dynasty of Egypt, they are expressly mentioned as the people from "the land of Djati." We have shown that this land of Djati is the same as the land of the Guti and clearly means the land of the Jats. Thus the Mor/Mur are expressly mentioned as the Jats in the 21st century BC. Naturally, when these people and their brothers from other areas in Central Asia came to India and established the Maurian empire, they did not feel at home and have been called a hot house in India as mentioned above. Thus, we can conclude that Mor/Mur/Maurya were the same people who were attacking Egypt in the 21st century BC and were called Jats by the Egyptians and others. It were these people who founded the Mauryan empire and whose descendants form the clan of Mor among the Jats of today."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moar View Post
    Dear Sir, some research-work has definitely suggested that Mor / Maur (Morya / Maurya) Empire was riding-high before Chandragupta's birth, and was an Insigne of JATs.

    I AM Gearing-Up for further input & output !!
    Thanks Friend,

    For your effort to dig out the lost pages of the prior chequered history of one of the greatest ruling dynasty of India founded by Chandragupta Mauraya.

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Thanks Friend,

    For your effort to dig out the lost pages of the prior chequered history of one of the greatest ruling dynasty of India founded by Chandragupta Mauraya.

    Regards
    Yippee !!


    Thank YOU Dear Gentleman !!
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    "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979)

    Excerpts from -- Bhim Singh Dahiya: "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979), p.132-133. -- :




    "The identification of the Mauryas with Central Asia and in particular with the city of Maur or Mourav (present Merv) is further strengthened by Indian literature. In the Mahābhārata and the Purāṇas these people and their country are called Mura or Muru. These are practically the same forms of the name which appear in the Assyrian records as Mor or Muru. In Indian literature they are called Asura who were a branch of the Aryans, for, as the Śatapatha Brahmaṇa mentions, the Devas and Asuras were both born from Prajāpati:

    ... [Devanagari line, S.B.1.2.4.8; 4.2.4.11] ...

    It is stated that Mura was an Asura son of Kāśyapa Prajāpati (Vāmana Purāṇa, ch.60). He was the guardian of Prāgjyotisha. the capital city of Narakāsura. He had fenced the boundary of the capital city with 6000 ropes, known in the Purāṇas as Mauravapāśa (Mahābhārata, Sabhāparva, Dākṣiṇātya-pāṭha, ch.38). He goes to Mahāmeru identified with the Pamir Mountains, and challenged the Yakṣas and Gandharvas to fight but they did not accept his challenge. Thereafter Mura goes to Indra in his capital of Amarāvatī and challenged him to fight with these words, "Fight me or leave this place". Indra did not fight and left Amarāvati and Mura ruled there for a long time. Ultimately, Mura was killed by Kṛshṇa along with his overlord Narakāsura (Bhāgavata Purāṇa, Skandha 10). This attack on Amarāvatī, the capital of Indira, by Mura finds support from Skanda Purāṇa also, where it is mentioned that two warriors called Ugra and Mayūra, attacked the capital of Indra (Vīra-Māhendra Khaṇda). Here, as in the other Purāṇas, the name of Mura is Sanskritised into Mayūra, the reasons for which have already been discussed earlier. The second name Ugra is, again, a tribal name, being the Ugrians of Greek writers, and the present Uighur of Soviet Central Asia. The name of the ropes of Mura called Maurava ropes is, again the same as the name of the city and the clan, Mourav, as per Persian records. Thus, the Mura and Naraka are identical with the Mura and Nairi of Assyrian records and the present Mor and Nārā clan of the Jats. This area was definitely in the west of India, rather in the North-west, and Prāgjyotisa was his capital city. At the time of the Mahābhārata, it was ruled over by Bhagadutta who is called `a king of Yavanas'. and also `a king of Asuras'. He was a friend of Pāṇdu (Sabhāparva.14.14). He attended the Rājasūya sacrifice of Yudhiṣṭhira (Sabhāparva.51.14). Arjuna, defeats him in the North (Sabhāparva.26.7) and, in the war, he is killed by Arjuna (Droṇāparva.29.48). Vajradatta, son of Bhagadatta, was also killed by Arjuna (Aśvamedha-parva, ch.76). In Sabhā-parva (13.13), Mura and Naraki are both stated to be rulers in the Wesṭ.


    The above discussion would clearly establish that the country of Mura was in the North-west of India, and the present city of Merv can very well be identified with their ancient capital. As already mentioned, in Iranian literature, this city is called Mourav or Maur.

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    History and Historians on Jat Mauryan Empire[ founded by Chandragupta in c 323 BC]

    Legend grows in obscurity. It is fond of making hero of a man who rises from lowly origin. Same is the case with our Hero. Much romance has gathered round the origin and early life of Chandragupta, because so little is known of them. Regarding origin and lineage of Mauryas and Chandragupta Maurya, there is available reference material in abundance including the Greek works and Latin Accounts, Indian works including Arthshastra, Puranas, Buddhist Traditions and Jaina Traditions, Mudrarakshasa and its commentator Dhundhiraja, Kashmir traditions [Kathasaaritsagar and Brihat Kathamanjari] etc. This reference material is further supplemented by evidence derived from the monuments erected during the Maryan period. The points of agreement and divergence among various sources are many and need analytic study to arrive at some tangible conclusion.

    Active cooperation of all the contributors is solicited.

    Thanks and regards.

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    Dr. Singh

    Could you start with the dating of the Maurya family ?

    Ravi Chaudhary

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    Dr. Singh

    Could you start with the dating of the Maurya family ?

    Ravi Chaudhary
    Good suggestion Chaudhary Sahib. I shall try to put the available and accessible information with me to share with the contributors and readers at the earliest.

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    Thought I don't intend to divert the topic and discussion, but just curious to know whether Kautilya, Vishnugupt and Chanakya were different names of the same person or were they different people?
    जिंदगी पथ है मंजिल की तरफ जाने का,
    जिंदगी नाम है तूफानों से टकराने का.
    मौत तो बस चैन से सो जाने की बदनामी है,
    जिंदगी गीत है मस्ती से सदा गाने का..

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    Quote Originally Posted by deependra View Post
    Thought I don't intend to divert the topic and discussion, but just curious to know whether Kautilya, Vishnugupt and Chanakya were different names of the same person or were they different people?
    Friend,

    All the three are used to refer to one person, the Prime Minister of Chandragupta Maurya.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Good suggestion Chaudhary Sahib. I shall try to put the available and accessible information with me to share with the contributors and readers at the earliest.
    At the initial stage, perhaps you could just provide the " primary" sources of information re placing ' Chandragupt' in the time frame of 325 BCE.

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