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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    This exactly shows your mindset and your maturity level. I would not like to continue with you any further in case you just have to write this and not on the merits or demerits of the topic.
    Your views reflect your mindset. If you write some crap here, it needs correction. thats wht i did. will continue to do so.

  2. #42
    Another word added by you to reflect your mindset - 'non-sense, ridiculous, rubbish, crap'. Carry on kid.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    Your views reflect your mindset. If you write some crap here, it needs correction. thats wht i did. will continue to do so.

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  4. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    Another word added by you to reflect your mindset - 'non-sense, ridiculous, rubbish, crap'. Carry on kid.
    Dear, i requested u in my frst post. but instead of coming with some positive mindest, you started commenting on what should i do and should not. instead of starting a positive discussion, u started venting anger.

  5. #44
    I appreciate the fact that you have not added any further to your list - non-sense, ridiculous, rubbish, crap.

    Though I can, but I would not prefer to return the compliment/s.

    I am sure all of us on this forum are angered with the incident that happened and want very strict action to be taken.

    There are some things which the govt. has to do - making and implementing strong laws. There are other things that we as citizens have to take care of through affirmative action. For the sake of refreshing/jogging our memories, I will repeat - Changing the mindset of men (especially the sick animals) and women (especially the so-called liberated ones who feel that liberty only comes with removing clothes in public).

    It is time there is some churning in the society. We honestly take a look at the realities in society and take some tough decisions and not hide behind the high walls of hypocrisy and what is supposed to be 'politically correct'.

    A major part of this churning has to come from the womenfolk who will have to assert themselves by saying 'We are more than pretty faces and beautiful bodies, there is no skill or capability which we do not possess as compared to men, there is no mountain high enough that men can climb and we cannot'. And in fact the message to item number girls and the ad. world needs to go from the womenfolk -'Stop commoditising us'. It would be highly incorrect to say that if men smoke, we will smoke, if men drink we will drink, etc. In fact, both men and women should aspire for the good things and set examples for the society.

    If a few misguided women act cheap, I have no hesitation to call them cheap especially when they do not hesitate to undertake that cheapness and spread it in the society.

    Finally, I agree with almost all the reasons given by you for violence against women in society, one of which is lack of moral values. Is dancing to vulgar songs while being half-naked moral? Does it help in any way in spreading moral values?

    I would prefer to be the so-called 'politically incorrect' by rather taking the bull by its horns.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    Dear, i requested u in my frst post. but instead of coming with some positive mindest, you started commenting on what should i do and should not. instead of starting a positive discussion, u started venting anger.
    Last edited by AbhikRana; January 1st, 2013 at 01:27 PM.

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  7. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    and women (especially the so-called liberated ones who feel that liberty only comes with removing clothes in public).

    I
    MR Rana,

    I have to disagree with u on the quoted lines. Its the woman who has to decide what she wants to wear, where she wants to go and what she wants to do. Man should not decide her lifestyle. If a woman wear a skirt, its her wish. She might feel good and comfortable in them. Our society should provide woman safety, freedom and right privilege. Thats what freedom called. We have to change our mindset. If don't than the days are not far when we will ask woman to have Burkha. I do understand with you message that there has to be tab on vulgarity. But wearing a skirt or short clother is not vulgar. Vulgar is our thinking , if we think that we way.

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  9. #46
    I am still awaiting answer to my questions:-

    Is dancing half naked to cheap and vulgar songs moral?
    Does it help spread moral values?
    Why is it being undertaken in the first place - IN FACT, this is one of the important questions that comes up for discussion in context of the topic of this thread.

    And also, there is a world of difference in wearing a skirt and being half naked which those item girls and ad. girls are. Also, there is world of difference between the right to dress and the right to undress (in public).

    PS. Also, I would request you to reply in black font colour without bold.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    MR Rana,

    I have to disagree with u on the quoted lines. Its the woman who has to decide what she wants to wear, where she wants to go and what she wants to do. Man should not decide her lifestyle. If a woman wear a skirt, its her wish. She might feel good and comfortable in them. Our society should provide woman safety, freedom and right privilege. Thats what empowerment called. We have to change our mindset. If don't than the days are not far when we will ask woman to have Burkha. I do understand with you message that there has to be tab on vulgarity. But wearing a skirt or short clother is not vulgar. Vulgar is our thinking , if we think that we way.

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  11. #47
    Mr Rana,

    If wearing short clothes are reasons for rapes, than why Old woman get raped. why woman in salwar kameez, saari get raped.

  12. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    A major part of this churning has to come from the womenfolk who will have to assert themselves by saying 'We are more than pretty faces and beautiful bodies, there is no skill or capability which we do not possess as compared to men, there is no mountain high enough that men can climb and we cannot'.
    Mr Rana,
    Not all girls are bimbo. There might be some exceptions. But we cannot generalise on this notion.

  13. #49
    Because sick animals have existed and still exist in society through ages.

    Showing half naked bodies as a commodity is ONE OF THE possible reasons besides others. These item girls do those cheap numbers and make a windfall by showing flesh. But the fact of the matter is that they have all the money in the world to have 24 hour bodyguards around them which is not available to the other women.

    The wrong picture these item girls present through their cheap work send wrong signals to the sick minds which they apply to the woman on the street who unfortunately do not have the 24 hour security.

    As has been pointed out umpteen times in the many posts above, tackling this malaise needs a multi-pronged approach.

    By the way, my questions in the post above still await a response from you.

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  15. #50
    Please specify the specific sentence where you saw a generalisation or where I have painted the entire womenfolk with the same brush.

    PS. I would once again request you to reply in the normal black font colour without bold.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    Mr Rana,
    Not all girls are bimbo. There might be some exceptions. But we cannot generalise on this notion.

  16. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    I am still awaiting answer to my questions:-

    Is dancing half naked to cheap and vulgar songs moral?
    Does it help spread moral values?
    Why is it being undertaken in the first place - IN FACT, this is one of the important questions that comes up for discussion in context of the topic of this thread.

    And also, there is a world of difference in wearing a skirt and being half naked which those item girls and ad. girls are. Also, there is world of difference between the right to dress and the right to undress (in public).

    PS. Also, I would request you to reply in black font colour without bold.
    Mr Rana,

    Agree that vulgarity has to be shunned. but we cannot impose a dress code on woman(plz do not make India Saudi Arabia). Nor does it give a licence to man to molest her if she wears short clothes or dance on the beats wearing short clothes. its a wrong attitude in our society.

  17. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    Reason: Either woman is from rural backgroud; she is not well equipped with the knowledge about her rights. Most of the rape cases happen in rural areas. Having a sufficient knowledge of rights is a prerequisite of other things.
    अंकुर जी मैं आपकी इस बात से सहमत नहीं हु की अधिकतर रेप केस ग्रामीण क्षेत्र मे होते हैं | असल मे ग्रामीण क्षेत्र मे जीतने रेप केस की खबर मीडिया मे आती हैं उनमे से ज़्यादातर केस झूठे होते हैं | अगर वहा पर कोई ऐसा केस होता भी हैं तो उसके लिए लोग फिर आपस मे मारा मारी पर उतारू हो जाते हैं | हाँ कुछ छोटी जाति के लोगो के साथ ऐसा कुछ होता हैं तो वो लोग फिर बेचारे कोर्ट का सहारा लेते हैं | बड़ी जाति मे ऐसा गिनौना काम बहुत कम सुनने को मिलेगा अगर होगा भी तो फिर उसको वे लोग या तो आपस मे सिर फोड़ कर निपटाते हैं या फिर पंचायत निपटाती हैं | देहात मे 'होनौर के लिए किलिंग ' करते देर नहीं लगाते | आपको भिवानी ज़िले के चरखी गाँव का एक वाक्य बता देता हु 2000-2001 की बात हैं चरखी गाँव मे एक कादियान गोत्र का परिवार बस्ता था | उस परिवार ने अपने पड़ोसी खेत की महिला से बलात्कार कर उसको मार के वहीं खेत मे गाड़ दिया | कुछ दिन बाद लाश मिली सारी कहानी उजागर हुई तो पंचायत ने इस गिनौने अपराध के लिए उस परिवार का गाँव निकाला का फरमान सुनाया | कादियान परिवार इसके लिए हाइ कोर्ट गए और हाइ कोर्ट ने सरकार को इन्हे वापिस गाँव मे बसाने के आदेश दिये | सरकार ने भिवानी डीसी व दादरी एसडीएम को भेजा परंतु चरखी गाँव मे सारी खाप एकत्रित हो गई और माहौल देखते हुए सरकार ने हाथ खड़े कर दिये | उसके बाद उस परिवार ने कोर्ट सरकार से आश छोड़ सर्व खाप के समक्ष गुहार लगाई , उस परिवार के लिए सिर्फ कादियान खाप , दहिया खाप जाखड़ खाप व श्योरान खाप समर्थन मे आई परंतु उनकी भी कुछ नहीं चली और आखिर मे उनको हार मनानी ही पड़ी | इसमे मेरे कहने का मतलब यह हैं की गाँव के समाज मे एक शर्म हैं एकता हैं और लड़ने की क्षमता हैं ये लोग शहरियों की तरह अपने आप को असुरक्षित महसूस नहीं करते मोमबती लेके सड़कों पर नहीं घूमते | शहर मे ना तो आपस की शर्म हैं क्योंकि यहा पड़ोसी पड़ोसी को नहीं जनता तो फिर शर्म कैसी , शर्म आंखो की होती हैं जब पड़ोसी से आँख ही नहीं मिलती तो शर्म क्या होगी | शहर मे आप किसी से झगड़ा करने लग जाओ दूसरा कोई बीच मे नहीं आएगा जबकि देहात मे आप ऐसा करके दिखा दो अंजान भी आपसे भीड़ जाएगा | देहात मे एक कहावत हैं की '' आपा मरे स्वर्ग दिखा करे '' सो जब तक खुद मजबूत नहीं होंगे दूसरा कौन क्या करेगा और यह सरकार कोई आदमी नहीं हैं हम ही सरकार हैं हमारी भी कुछ जिम्मेवारी हैं | सब कुछ सरकार पर थोपना अपनी जिम्मेवारी से भागना हैं |
    Last edited by RavinderSura; January 1st, 2013 at 02:31 PM.
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  19. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by RavinderSura View Post
    अंकुर जी मैं आपकी इस बात से सहमत नहीं हु की अधिकतर रेप केस ग्रामीण क्षेत्र मे होते हैं | असल मे ग्रामीण क्षेत्र मे जीतने रेप केस की खबर मीडिया मे आती हैं उनमे से ज़्यादातर केस झूठे होते हैं | अगर वहा पर कोई ऐसा केस होता भी हैं तो उसके लिए लोग फिर आपस मे मारा मारी पर उतारू हो जाते हैं | हाँ कुछ छोटी जाति के लोगो के साथ ऐसा कुछ होता हैं तो वो लोग फिर बेचारे कोर्ट का सहारा लेते हैं | बड़ी जाति मे ऐसा गिनौना काम बहुत कम सुनने को मिलेगा अगर होगा भी तो फिर उसको वे लोग या तो आपस मे सिर फोड़ कर निपटाते हैं या फिर पंचायत निपटाती हैं | देहात मे 'होनौर के लिए किलिंग ' करते देर नहीं लगाते | आपको भिवानी ज़िले के चरखी गाँव का एक वाक्य बता देता हु 2000-2001 की बात हैं चरखी गाँव मे एक कादियान गोत्र का परिवार बस्ता था | उस परिवार ने अपने पड़ोसी खेत की महिला से बलात्कार कर उसको मार के वहीं खेत मे गाड़ दिया | कुछ दिन बाद लाश मिली सारी कहानी उजागर हुई तो पंचायत ने इस गिनौने अपराध के लिए उस परिवार का गाँव निकाला का फरमान सुनाया | कादियान परिवार इसके लिए हाइ कोर्ट गए और हाइ कोर्ट ने सरकार को इन्हे वापिस गाँव मे बसाने के आदेश दिये | सरकार ने भिवानी डीसी व दादरी एसडीएम को भेजा परंतु चरखी गाँव मे सारी खाप एकत्रित हो गई और माहौल देखते हुए सरकार ने हाथ खड़े कर दिये | उसके बाद उस परिवार ने कोर्ट सरकार से आश छोड़ सर्व खाप के समक्ष गुहार लगाई , उस परिवार के लिए सिर्फ कादियान खाप , दहिया खाप जाखड़ खाप व श्योरान खाप समर्थन मे आई परंतु उनकी भी कुछ नहीं चली और आखिर मे उनको हार मनानी ही पड़ी | इसमे मेरे कहने का मतलब यह हैं की गाँव के समाज मे एक शर्म हैं एकता हैं और लड़ने की क्षमता हैं ये लोग शहरियों की तरह अपने आप को असुरक्षित महसूस नहीं करते मोमबती लेके सड़कों पर नहीं घूमते | शहर मे ना तो आपस की शर्म हैं क्योंकि यहा पड़ोसी पड़ोसी को नहीं जनता तो फिर शर्म कैसी , शर्म आंखो की होती हैं जब पड़ोसी से आँख ही नहीं मिलती तो शर्म क्या होगी | शहर मे आप किसी से झगड़ा करने लग जाओ दूसरा कोई बीच मे नहीं आएगा जबकि देहात मे आप ऐसा करके दिखा दो अंजान भी आपसे भीड़ जाएगा | देहात मे एक कहावत हैं की '' आपा मरे स्वर्ग दिखा करे '' सो जब तक खुद मजबूत नहीं होंगे दूसरा कौन क्या करेगा और यह सरकार कोई आदमी नहीं हैं हम ही सरकार हैं हमारी भी कुछ जिम्मेवारी हैं | सब कुछ सरकार पर थोपना अपनी जिम्मेवारी से भागना हैं |
    Sura ji,

    Agree with social values inherent in villages. My point was towards marginalised section. Most of the atrocities happens on poor, dalits etc. By and large Haryana is a well off state but when you look at other states such as Bihar, UP, Orrisa you will find different statistics. Crimes are more frequent in slums. Also the difference between poor and rich has shot up in last decade or so. If development is not common then India will continue to face such challanges. More proactive approach is needed by our government to deal with such crisis. Anyway, thanks for sharing information.

    Cheers.

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  21. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    I appreciate the fact that you have not added any further to your list - non-sense, ridiculous, rubbish, crap.

    Though I can, but I would not prefer to return the compliment/s.

    I am sure all of us on this forum are angered with the incident that happened and want very strict action to be taken.

    There are some things which the govt. has to do - making and implementing strong laws. There are other things that we as citizens have to take care of through affirmative action. For the sake of refreshing/jogging our memories, I will repeat - Changing the mindset of men (especially the sick animals) and women (especially the so-called liberated ones who feel that liberty only comes with removing clothes in public).

    It is time there is some churning in the society. We honestly take a look at the realities in society and take some tough decisions and not hide behind the high walls of hypocrisy and what is supposed to be 'politically correct'.

    A major part of this churning has to come from the womenfolk who will have to assert themselves by saying 'We are more than pretty faces and beautiful bodies, there is no skill or capability which we do not possess as compared to men, there is no mountain high enough that men can climb and we cannot'. And in fact the message to item number girls and the ad. world needs to go from the womenfolk -'Stop commoditising us'. It would be highly incorrect to say that if men smoke, we will smoke, if men drink we will drink, etc. In fact, both men and women should aspire for the good things and set examples for the society.

    If a few misguided women act cheap, I have no hesitation to call them cheap especially when they do not hesitate to undertake that cheapness and spread it in the society.

    Finally, I agree with almost all the reasons given by you for violence against women in society, one of which is lack of moral values. Is dancing to vulgar songs while being half-naked moral? Does it help in any way in spreading moral values?

    I would prefer to be the so-called 'politically incorrect' by rather taking the bull by its horns.
    Okay lets assume for a moment that such songs, actresses and ad world is banned or controlled. How about huge porn industry? People would still watch what they desire to. It is more psychological/biological urges than social and moral ones and no govt has been able to curb them by now.
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  23. #55
    Samar, I agree with you when you say that banning cheap show of flesh and gyrating to those cheap and vulgar lyrics is not a foolproof mechanism to stop all the wrongs in society.

    Instead of banning, I would expect self restraint and affirmative action from such item number and ad. girls. They instead can focus on their acting skills if in fact they are actresses.

    Finally, there can be nothing in this world which can be called foolproof. It cannot be said that tough laws and their implementation would provide a 100 percent guarantee that unfortunate incidents are not repeated. We as responsible citizens and part of this society can make whatever little efforts we can.

    In fact, I am appalled by a few fellow JL members who have come to the defence of a few cheap women.

    But then I don't blame them, after all there are people who sympathize with terrorists in J&K and the North East saying that these terrorists are fighting for a cause. Also, there are people who address Animals such as Osama as Osama ji. I guess it is fashionable. Let them be!

    I stick to what I have said at least till the time these cheap women stop showing their half naked bodies in public.


    Quote Originally Posted by Samarkadian View Post
    Okay lets assume for a moment that such songs, actresses and ad world is banned or controlled. How about huge porn industry? People would still watch what they desire to. It is more psychological/biological urges than social and moral ones and no govt has been able to curb them by now.

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  25. #56
    Who is imposing a dress code? The only thing expected is an UNDRESS code in public.

    In response to your point on licence, I would advise you to refer to my previous posts.

    Also, I would have appreciated specific responses to the questions put across in previous posts as it would have helped us taking the discussion forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    Mr Rana,

    Agree that vulgarity has to be shunned. but we cannot impose a dress code on woman(plz do not make India Saudi Arabia). Nor does it give a licence to man to molest her if she wears short clothes or dance on the beats wearing short clothes. its a wrong attitude in our society.

  26. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    Who is imposing a dress code? The only thing expected is an UNDRESS code in public.

    In response to your point on licence, I would advise you to refer to my previous posts.

    Also, I would have appreciated specific responses to the questions put across in previous posts as it would have helped us taking the discussion forward.
    Mr Rana,

    Right from the beginning you started talking about dress. In fact your first post, you have mentioned about mini skirt. You talked about professionalist like Kareena Kapoor and Malika Arora. Its their profession. Acting is their profession. We have a sensor board which counters vulgarity. So your point that professionals like Kareena Kapoor & Malika Arora causing harm is baseless. Time is changing and so is the film industry. You cannot live like this in an isolation. If you think this way, then Indians should also stop watching Hollywood movies. Indians are well versed in english and in this globalized world you cannot live like this. If a person wants to watch a movie, let him/her do so. Its the person wish to decide what to do as long as it does not harm others. So in this age of social media and internet you cannot ban or censor media or freedom of speech. Let individuals decide what they want to do, what they wear. The need of hour is change our mindset and implement law and order effectively.
    Last edited by AnkurMalik; January 1st, 2013 at 04:19 PM.

  27. #58
    There is a big dichotomy in what you have said.

    In your earlier post, you have put 'lack of moral values' as one of the reasons for sexual violence against women. Then you go on to say that Kareena Kapoor and Malaika Arora are professional actresses.

    Can dancing half naked to cheap vulgar numbers actually be called acting?
    Can these half naked girls actually be called professionals? If yes, then I am afraid a lot of others including prostitutes and drug traffickers would have to be included in that category because it is their profession and hence they are professionals.
    How are these half naked girls helping in safeguarding and building on the moral values of society?

    As far as the mini-skirt reference is concerned, I would advise you to read the entire paragraph and try getting the context in which it was mentioned.

    After all the ink that I have used (hope not wasted) in the posts here, what comes out glaringly is the difference between dressing and undressing in public. I would advise you to just go through my previous posts and you will see the difference.

    Also, thanks for using the normal black font colour. It looks relatively better.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    Mr Rana,

    Right from the beginning you started talking about dress. In fact your first post, you have mentioned about mini skirt. You talked about professionalist like Kareena Kapoor and Malika Arora. Its their profession. Acting is their profession. We have a sensor board which counters vulgarity. So your point that professionals like Kareena Kapoor & Malika Arora is baseless. Time is changing and so is the film industry. You cannot live like this in an isolation. If you think this way, then Indians should also stop watching Hollywood movies. Indians are well versed in english and in this globalized world you cannot live like this. If a person wants to watch a movie, let him/her do so. Its the person wish to decide what to do as long as it does not harm others. So in this age of social media and internet you cannot ban or censor media or freedom of speech. Let individuals decide what they want to do, what they wear. The need of hour is change our mindset and implement law and order effectively.

  28. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    There is a big dichotomy in what you have said.

    In your earlier post, you have put 'lack of moral values' as one of the reasons for sexual violence against women. Then you go on to say that Kareena Kapoor and Malaika Arora are professional actresses.

    Can dancing half naked to cheap vulgar numbers actually be called acting?
    Can these half naked girls actually be called professionals? If yes, then I am afraid a lot of others including prostitutes and drug traffickers would have to be included in that category because it is their profession and hence they are professionals.
    How are these half naked girls helping in safeguarding and building on the moral values of society?

    As far as the mini-skirt reference is concerned, I would advise you to read the entire paragraph and try getting the context in which it was mentioned.

    After all the ink that I have used (hope not wasted) in the posts here, what comes out glaringly is the difference between dressing and undressing in public. I would advise you to just go through my previous posts and you will see the difference.

    Also, thanks for using the normal black font colour. It looks relatively better.
    Mr Rana,

    Moral values mean respecting woman. No biases between a boy and girl. Now coming to the point of professionalist Kareena Kapoor and Malika Arora. Where have you seen them half naked. As I said in my previous post, we have a sensor board which counter vulgarity. So it refutes your argument that actress Kareena Kapoor or Malika Arora are icon of vulgarity. Vulgar material is regulated by government. And in my previous post, I have also mentioned about freedom to live, wear etc. In this globalised world, India cannot live like North Korea. Let individuals decide what they want to do, what they want to wear and how to live.

  29. #60
    I agree that 'moral values' includes lack of bias or prejudice when it comes to boys and girls. But it would be great disservice and threat to the society if we restrict the meaning of 'moral values' to a very narrow context as outlined by you. I would say that 'moral values' is a system of norms which helps our societies function in an orderly and smooth manner as against a chaotic and anarchic society.

    A society like a family will cease to exist if everyone says I will do what I please and the rest go to hell and I don't care. Tomorrow, the drug lords might say we are professional traders and we will carry on our trade, whether you like it or not. A chemical industrialist might say I will carry on with my industry whether it pollutes the air or water or not, I don't care. For there to be order and peace, there need to be adjustments and people should honestly respect those adjustments. Some of the adjustments might inconvenience me, but then at the same time, someone else making an adjustment is helping me live in a peaceful and orderly society.

    Kareena and Malaika have full freedom to dress as they want. But is it too much for the society to ask from them NOT to undress in public? (again the right to dress and right to undress difference) And what inconvenience would it cause to them if they do not remove their clothes?

    If all the govt. agencies including censor board were carrying on their jobs honestly, unfortunate incidents would have dipped to an all time low.

    As to when I have seen them half naked, I would refrain from posting youtube links on this thread. Instead, I would advise you to do a search on youtube and you will see countless such videos by them and others like them.



    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    Mr Rana,

    Moral values mean respecting woman. No biases between a boy and girl. Now coming to the point of professionalist Kareena Kapoor and Malika Arora. Where have you seen them half naked. As I said in my previous post, we have a sensor board which counter vulgarity. So it refutes your argument that actress Kareena Kapoor or Malika Arora are icon of vulgarity. Vulgar material is regulated by government. And in my previous post, I have also mentioned about freedom to live, wear etc. In this globalised world, India cannot live like North Korea. Let individuals decide what they want to do, what they want to wear and how to live.

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