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  1. #61
    Is dancing half naked to cheap and vulgar songs moral? Does it help spread moral values?


    Moral Values , how would u define moral ?
    Is lying moral ? No , we all do .
    Is abusing moral ? No, we all do .
    Defining moral is very subjective . For some boozing is against moral value for some its not.So shall we or shall we not.
    Same with smoking .


    U were saying its a bad influence on kids , that is why for every such movie they rate PG or UA.
    Regarding TV , for that parental gyan should be there ----they need to check what their kids are watching n what not.


    Lemme give u one eg : Decades back , in some case convicted was given death sentence " Hang till death " .
    Every news channel was showing how n all . Some kid did what they have shown n sad......worst happened.


    Who would u blame , ban all News channels . No proper parental guidance .
    Do we let our kids watch porn no , why - coz we know they are kids and they do not understand rather would mistook in wrong way.


    So half naked or whatever dancing is okay , One is adult -they know what to do , how to interpret n percieve such stuff.


    We all watch that stuff, how many of us do eveteasing or such crimes ? So its not what they show n how ,
    its how we percieve n take it .


    Why ----u always pick point of Drugs . They are illegal n will remain illegal . Like killing -stealing-forgery-frauds n all.
    All these things not connected to show-biz.


    Again , I stick to my point . Its not what n how they show - its how we take it .

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  3. #62
    करीना कपूर और मलाका अरोड़ा के नाचने से पुरुषों को बलात्कार करने की प्रेरणा मिलती हो या न मिलती हो, लेकिन इतना तय है कि लड़कियों को नाचने की प्रेरणा जरूर मिलती है। वे ऐसा सोचने लगती हैं कि जब ये नाचकर इतनी सुखी-संपन्न हैं तो असली जिंदगी तो यही है।
    Last edited by upendersingh; January 1st, 2013 at 07:56 PM.

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  5. #63
    Bollywood does influences the thinking of the masses. All these Ekta Kapoor Crap Soaps going on the TV where multiple relations, dramas n what not. The number of Divorce cases has increased drastically in the Last Decade. There was a time when these divorces was virtually unthought of. Now, this thing is getting common in Jats too. Tolerance is a virtue & has stopped existing in both the man as well as the woman. Pehle agar aisi koi baat hoti thieh, ghar key badhe budhe donon ko baitha kar samjha deyte thieh. Problem solved. Nowadays, seedha divorce kah case file karo.

    The tragedy is people nowadays maintain a unique dichotomy: Women themselves are not ready for the equality. Equality means not just about rights, but sharing responsibilities also. The Indian society is evolving, but has not yet evolved fully to accept the big change. Wearing small clothes does not gives the license for these men to rape women. But then, it is about common sense too. They can & should wear what they want too, but think about safety first. Not all rapes can be stopped, but atleast some can be averted by using common sense.

    People keep on waiting for such examples to happen n then take candles to show solidarity. Abh fir soh jayegi junta kuch dinon men, Sabh bhool jayenge. Atleast let the poor soul rest in peace. Media per kuch kaam hi naheen hai...uss ladki ko Damini ka naam dey diya. Unke liye sirf aik masala news hai. The truth is these people sell emotions to the common man.
    Jat Balwaan\n Jai Bhagwaan

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  7. #64
    FIR filed against the so-called sensational singer and heartthrob of a segment of college goers - Happy Singh for filthy lyrics in his songs especially his song 'I am a rapist'.

    I hope the so-called people defending Kareena and Malaika will come to his rescue and defense as well. After all, lyrics of his song are as filthy as that of songs on which Kareena and Malaika remove their clothes.

    Heights of hypocrisy among a section of society even on Jatland. Appalling! They are defending the indefensible!

    Watch the debate on Times Now on Happy Singh regarding the level of filth and dirt that has percolated in our society through the RESPECTABLE celebrities from the glamour world.

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  9. #65
    Off Topic----same song got 1 million hits in 80 hrs
    ( I m unaware of his controversy , abhi kissi ne bataya)

    So shall we launch complaint against those 1 million people , partners in crime----

    PS : not defending any one , koi mere sage wala nahi hai , just sharing my view .

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  11. #66
    Is dancing half naked to cheap and vulgar songs moral? Does it help spread moral values?
    First question should be asked "is morality value of modern society ?" No. Values of modern society are achievement, conspicuous consumption, materialism, getting ahead of your neighbor, making more and more money, hedonism(getting as much pleasure as possible), showing fake personalities,etc. When people talk in friend circle, they do ask our friends how much money their bureaucrat/politician fathers are making. I was wondering how many of those who were protesting against corruption, will not indulge in corruption if they get a chance. Corruption is in our culture. Where does politician or bureaucrat come from ? Society. So obviously, it represent value system of our society.
    Last time lot of people were rallying against corruption, have we made any progress in that direction ? No. I think a substantial number of people do get bored from their regular urban life and go out in street whenever they get chances. I asked one of my friend about corruption, he said yaar, there is limit of corruption, these politician should not cross limit. It's okay to do corruption in a limit. Who define limits ? You are middle class person, your limit will obviously be lower than that of higher class and higher than that of lower class.
    Now people are rallying against rapes, do you think it will make any difference ? I read an article in Hindu that police system needs autonomy from politicians so that they can deal it with effectively. Do you trust police more than politician ? A politician can be corrupt as well as honest, same is true about bureaucrats.
    An upper-middle class Indian who is alienated from his work in MNCs, does find a meaning in his life when he talks about social reform, progress of society and all these big things but same upper-middle class Indian is not aware about reality of grass-root level. He is not even aware about grass-root level reality of west. You need to see beyond bollywood and hollywood to know realities of world.
    Another section of men worry that stringent rule can be misused by women, whom they have illegitimate(again subjective) relationship with. Some intellectuals think that perception toward women should be changed and stringent rules will not be much helpful. Question is how will you change perception. You can't change perception of people by talking in TV show and writing blog in some English news paper when whole value system runs contrary to it. Moreover these liberal thekedar of society have different value system and conservative thekedar of society have different value system. So debates have become a point scoring game.
    I do think that media is a factor in these rape crimes but it produces largely what is demanded by society. There are semi-literate morons in society who develops hatred toward female gender, one because of their deprivation(under-achiever in life, not having girlfriend,etc) and second because westernized girls do look upon these strata of people with contempt. When they see girls with their boyfriends, their sense of deprivation gets heightened. They feel that they are losers in this world. See not only they raped that girl but also damaged her intestine. This rape reminds me of a heinous rape case that happened in Japan which was way more disturbing than this case. Similar things are happening in west with more intensity.

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  13. #67
    What we are doing is what is generally called beating around the bush.

    We know that Happy Singh is the perpetrator of vulgarity and you are asking for complaint against 1 million people who are lapping it up.

    we know that the lyrics and half naked dances of Malaika and Kareena are equally vulgar and cheap.

    Instead of getting to the root cause of this malaise, we are obfuscating the discussion by talking of the 1 million people. Let's not justify the wrongs done by cheap people like Happy, Malaika and Kareena. Their acts are equally vulgar and cheap.

    If you still want to defend them, please go ahead and do so. I would not be surprised if we see some protests happening against the arrest of Happy Singh.

    Quote Originally Posted by rekha View Post
    Off Topic----same song got 1 million hits in 80 hrs
    ( I m unaware of his controversy , abhi kissi ne bataya)

    So shall we launch complaint against those 1 million people , partners in crime----

    PS : not defending any one , koi mere sage wala nahi hai , just sharing my view .

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  15. #68
    Har cheez bikti hai...Desh Mere. Issey jyada Unnati aur kya hoyegi? Incident koi bhi tool pakde, Ussih ko seedhi bana kar saman bechna shuru kar deyte haiin. Honey Singh key saath 1 million logon per bhi Case Lagao. It is not freedom of expression instead a mockery of the whole Social Values which we claim to represent n yet download the song enjoying it.
    Jat Balwaan\n Jai Bhagwaan

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  17. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post

    A society like a family will cease to exist if everyone says I will do what I please and the rest go to hell and I don't care. Tomorrow, the drug lords might say we are professional traders and we will carry on our trade, whether you like it or not. A chemical industrialist might say I will carry on with my industry whether it pollutes the air or water or not, I don't care. For there to be order and peace, there need to be adjustments and people should honestly respect those adjustments. Some of the adjustments might inconvenience me, but then at the same time, someone else making an adjustment is helping me live in a peaceful and orderly society.

    Kareena and Malaika have full freedom to dress as they want. But is it too much for the society to ask from them NOT to undress in public? (again the right to dress and right to undress difference) And what inconvenience would it cause to them if they do not remove their clothes?
    Dear,

    Your argument and example is incorrect. Plz understand diff between personal life and a profession. Don't mix an illegal professional with personal life. In my personal life i can do anything i want do as long as it is not illegal. so don't compare like this.

    Kareena Kapoor is an actress. I haven't seen her half naked. Don;t spread false rumours. Our censor board will never allow vulgarity.

  18. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by upendersingh View Post
    करीना कपूर और मलाका अरोड़ा के नाचने से पुरुषों को बलात्कार करने की प्रेरणा मिलती हो या न मिलती हो, लेकिन इतना तय है कि लड़कियों को नाचने की प्रेरणा जरूर मिलती है। वे ऐसा सोचने लगती हैं कि जब ये नाचकर इतनी सुखी-संपन्न हैं तो असली जिंदगी तो यही है।
    Dude,

    Get your head right. What is wrong in learning dancing. Plz stop thinking like that.

  19. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    Dear,

    Kareena Kapoor is an actress. I haven't seen her half naked. Don;t spread false rumours. Our censor board will never allow vulgarity.
    Have you really watched Kareena Kapoor's movies?
    जिंदगी पथ है मंजिल की तरफ जाने का,
    जिंदगी नाम है तूफानों से टकराने का.
    मौत तो बस चैन से सो जाने की बदनामी है,
    जिंदगी गीत है मस्ती से सदा गाने का..

  20. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by deependra View Post
    Have you really watched Kareena Kapoor's movies?
    Yes dear. Watched her first movie; Refugee and latest is Talaash! Superb acting.

  21. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by deependra View Post
    Have you really watched Kareena Kapoor's movies?
    Do you watch Hollywood movies?

  22. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    Do you watch Hollywood movies?
    I do, but asked you about Kareena's movies because I have seen her in many movies where she can be termed half naked. Kambakhat Ishq will be one of them to cite an example.
    जिंदगी पथ है मंजिल की तरफ जाने का,
    जिंदगी नाम है तूफानों से टकराने का.
    मौत तो बस चैन से सो जाने की बदनामी है,
    जिंदगी गीत है मस्ती से सदा गाने का..

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  24. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by deependra View Post
    I do, but asked you about Kareena's movies because I have seen her in many movies where she can be termed half naked. Kambakhat Ishq will be one of them to cite an example.
    If u watch hollywood movies thn u shld nt hv problems wth bollywood movies. in my previous posts i also mentioned about censor board. if vulagarity shown in hindi movies then u can complain about it. Censor board follows laws and regulation. if people of the country want to change the laws and regulations they can appeal to the government of India. But plz stop maligning actresses. they are professionalist and working in the ambit of rule and regulations.

    thank u

  25. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    Let's not justify the wrongs done by cheap people like Malaika and Kareena.
    Can you stop using "Cheap" word. You have no right to malign these professionals. Let the law of country decide, if the vulgarity is shown. dont ju,mp to conclusons. plz

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  27. #77
    http://in.omg.yahoo.com/photos/we-wi...you-slideshow/

    Have a look. So called cheap are not that 'cheap'.
    "All I am trying to do is bridge the gap between Jats and Rest of World"

    As I shall imagine, so shall I become.

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  29. #78
    पहले हनी सिंह के रैप पर थिरकीं शीला, अब बोली अश्लील
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    नई दिल्ली। जहां एक दिन पहले पॉप सिंगर हनी सिंह पर मैं हूं बलात्कारी गाने को लेकर मुकदमा दर्ज हुआ है वहीं हनी सिंह के साथ मुख्यमंत्री शीला दीक्षित के एक वीडियो ने और सनसनी फैला दी है। साल 2012 में अंतरराष्ट्रीय वरिष्ठ नागरिकता दिवस के अवसर पर मुख्यमंत्री और गायक हनी सिंह स्टेज पर एक ही गाने में थिरकते हुए नजर आएं। यू ट्यूब पर इस गाने के अपलोड होने के बाद से मुख्यमंत्री विवादों के घेरे में आ गई हैं, क्योंकि बीते दिनों मुख्यमंत्री ने हनी सिंह के गानों में अश्लील शब्दों के प्रयोग पर आपत्ति जताई थी।

    यू ट्यूब पर इस गाने के अपलोडिंग के बाद से लोगों का गुस्सा और सिर चढ़कर बोलने लगा है। दिल्ली में हुए गैंगरेप मामले के बाद से हनी सिंह पर एक अश्लील गाना गाने और कथित तौर पर उसे लिखने को लेकर केस एफआईआर भी दर्ज हो चुकी है।

    हालांकि इस आपत्तिजनक वीडियो पर मुख्यमंत्री की ओर से कोई भी प्रतिक्रिया अब तक सामने नहीं आई है। लोगों ने इस वीडियो को लेकर सोशल नेटवर्किग साइट पर मोर्चा खोल दिया है। इस वीडियो में मुख्यमंत्री के अलावा दिल्ली सरकार की एक और मंत्री किरण वालिया भी नजर आ रही हैं।

    गौरतलब है कि हनी सिंह ने भी अपनी सफाई में कहा है कि उन्होंने यह गाना नहीं लिखा है। इन सब के बाद न्यू ईयर ईव पर गुड़गांव में होने वाले हनी सिंह के सभी कार्यक्रम रद्द कर दिए गए हैं।




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  30. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by AnkurMalik View Post
    If u watch hollywood movies thn u shld nt hv problems wth bollywood movies. in my previous posts i also mentioned about censor board. if vulagarity shown in hindi movies then u can complain about it. Censor board follows laws and regulation. if people of the country want to change the laws and regulations they can appeal to the government of India. But plz stop maligning actresses. they are professionalist and working in the ambit of rule and regulations.

    thank u
    This was just in response of your statement that you haven't seen her half naked in any of the movies and if you don't call it vulgar then I won't comment further on this thread.
    जिंदगी पथ है मंजिल की तरफ जाने का,
    जिंदगी नाम है तूफानों से टकराने का.
    मौत तो बस चैन से सो जाने की बदनामी है,
    जिंदगी गीत है मस्ती से सदा गाने का..

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  32. #80
    .

    Bhai Yahoo News ghanni pada kare hai tu to..


    Quote Originally Posted by Samarkadian View Post
    http://in.omg.yahoo.com/photos/we-wi...you-slideshow/

    Have a look. So called cheap are not that 'cheap'.
    .. " Until Lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter! " ..



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