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Thread: Kareena Kapoor and Malaika Arora Khan equally responsible for the death of Damini

  1. #81
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    I fully endorse Abhik Bhaisaab's view point here but at the same time a bit disappointed with few female folks replies here as well. I wonder how can they advocate vulgarity and nudity in the name of profession, work and entertainment. A very simple question to them, if they find it very normal and liberal .. could you watch all these crap cheaps songs n' shows with your family specially elders?

    Our society is going thro' dangerous transition phase .. now a days hardly any place for family values, morals and ethics .. everything is being accepted in name of modern, liberal outlook. Look at the various tv advertisements, news paper ads and online news sites .. all are full of filthy vulgar stuff and that's really bad.

    This is a humble request to female folks and other liberal souls that please don't encourage such vulgarity in general. It's not expression of freedom or liberal attitude but sick and cheap show off.

    Thanks!

    Cheers
    Jit
    .. " Until Lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter! " ..



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  3. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by cutejaatsandeep View Post
    bhai ye andolan kissi ka chalayaa huaa nahi thaa.....i know aap aise baat kyo bol rahe ho coz aap congress ke supporter ho....n congress jaise toochi sarkar n uske tooche leaders ko to beech sadak mai goli marr deni chahiye......congress ke neta azfal guru n osama bin laden jaise islamic teroorist ke naam ke aaagee to ji lagatee hai n apne desh ke logo ki jinhone desh ke liye bahut kuch kiya unko izzat nahi dete.......itna bada incident ho gaya rape walaa tab bhi yee saale andolan karne walo ko galat bata rahe hai.......inkii maa behno betiyon ka bhi rape hona chahiye tab itne pata chalega ki rape sirf eek ladki na nahi uski whole family ka hota hai.....soo plzz in congressioo ki itni baatein n care mat kiya karo
    Sandeep yaha supporter wali baat nahi hai....lekin jo points maine aapki post me highlight kiye hain unse me sehmat hoon.
    ab poora case police k samne hai, sare saboot, gavah b unke pass hai, fir police aur ye government itni der kyu laga rahi hai koi b decision lene me??????
    ye case delhi me hua, uske baad waha security b badha di gayi lekin fir b waha rape aur murder k case samne aa rahe hain....iska kya matlab nikale ki apni security me kami hai ya ye soche ki police wale paise khane k liye khade hain.
    Last edited by vikasJAT; January 2nd, 2013 at 11:52 PM.
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  4. #83
    Though any discussion/debate would have two sides to it - 'for' and 'against', I was not sure about the level of response on the 'against' aspect of it. In fact, I am surprised with the level of fan following of Kareena and Malaika.

    When men are ready for tougher laws which might EVEN be misused against the innocent, I find it strange that a few cheap women are not ready to stop removing their clothes in public.

    One false allegation of misbehaviour by any woman against a man can destroy his entire life. It would start with loss of his job, adding a criminal tag to him which would ensure that he gets no job in future. Plus the jail term and all the legal hassles - acquittal later on or not would be totally inconsequential as his entire life would have been damned by then.

    Despite the proposed changes being so draconian, I still support them because I strongly feel that the dignity of a woman is above everything else, even if it causes some collateral damage to the innocent men falsely implicated on charges of misbehaviour. And here we have a few women who cannot JUST refrain from removing clothes in public.

    Someone said it is the parents' job to police the children so that they are not influenced by these half-naked women. Where all do you expect the parents to be present with the children and put hands over their eyes and ears???? The moment you step out of the house, you have posters and billboards of these cheap people like Honey, Kareena, Malaika. I do hope people might have seen the posters of Jism 2.

    It is so easy to expect everything from others including the govt., but when it comes to self restraint and decency it is too much to ask for and conform to. Equally shameful as the sick animals.
    Last edited by AbhikRana; January 3rd, 2013 at 12:30 AM.

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  6. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by ndalal View Post
    मुझे नही लगता की आपको इन लोगों की भाषा से कोई समस्या है(ये अङ्ग्रेज़ी मे बात एसलिए भी करते है क्यूंकी अकादेमिक्स की भाषा अङ्ग्रेज़ी है, एन समस्याओं का विश्लेषण और शब्दावली अङ्ग्रेज़ी मे बेहतर ह या कहें की हिन्दी मे शब्दावली है ही नही बहुत जगह पर, ये समस्या इन विषयों की ही है।) असल मे मेरे अनुसार आपको समस्या इनकी जीवन शैली से है। जहां पूरुष महंगी दारू पी सकते हैं ये महिलाएं भी पी सकती हैं , सभ्यता और संस्कृति की सीमाएं हम महिलाऊ पर ही क्यू लागू होती है?सवाल ये नही है की वो दिन मे सोती हैं या रात मे दारू पिती है।न समस्या करीना के नाचने मे है। आप ही मे से कितने जने हैं जो साफ सुथरी फिल्म देखने जाते हो? ये इंडस्ट्री चल ही इसी बात पे चलती है की जो देखा जाएगा वही और परोसा जाएगा।

    सुधार खुद मे करो बिना किसी दूसरे को सुधारने के लिए कहकर(ये बात दोनों महिला और पूरुषों पर समान रूप से लागू होती है)

    एक और बात अगर महिला रात मे बाहर घूम भी रही है तो इसका मतलब ये नही है की वो अपने बलात्कार के लिए किसी को आमंत्रित कर रही है रही है
    नीलम जी, ऐसी बात नहीं है कि हिंदी भाषा में इस विषय पर विश्लेष्ण करने के लिए उपयुक्त शब्दावली या अलंकरण नहीं है I भाषा तो केवल एक संकेत है जो मानवीय भावनाओं, अनुभूतियों और इच्छाओं को इंगित करती है I क्या मुंशी प्रेमचंद ने विभिन्न मानवीय पहलूओं और सामाजिक समस्सयाओं को हिंदी भाषा के माध्यम से प्रभावशाली ढंग से मानस पटल पर नहीं उतारा था I उनके साहित्य को गोर्की और शेक्सपियर की रचनाओं से कम नहीं आँका जा सकता I क्या बलात्कार जैसे जघन्य अपराधों को शोभा डे की अलंकृत अंग्रेजी के बिना दूसरी भाषाओँ या बोली (जैसे हरियाणवी इत्यादि) में चर्चित करना असंभव है I

    खैर यह रही एक बात I अब अगर विषय की बात करें तो जाहिर तौर पर करीना कपूर, मलिका सहरावत और मलायका अरोड़ा जैसी महिलाओं के के अंग प्रदर्शन या commodification से लोगों के दिमाग में प्रदूषण का स्तर अवश्य बढ़ता है I बिकने को तो हिन्दुस्तान में बहुत कुछ बिक सकता है, लेकिन हर आसानी से बिकने वाली चीज़ के क्रय-विक्रय को खुला नहीं छोड़ा जा सकता I इस तर्क के अनुसार तो देह व्यापार की भी खुली छूट होनी चाहिए I पर उसके दुष्प्रभाव से समाज की व्यवस्था चरमरा जायेगी I मनोरंजन और कला के नाम पर हर बेहूदगी को सिर्फ इसीलिये बर्दाश्त नहीं किया जा सकता कि टीवी टॉक-शो में महिलाओं की स्वतंत्रता का ढोल पीटने वाले संभ्रांत वर्ग के दो चार लोग इसकी हिमायत कर रहे हैं, (जो अक्सर टीवी चैनल वालों के दोस्त ही होते हैं ). महिला एम्पावरमेंट और लैंगिक समानता के नाम पर महिलाओं को अश्लीलता फैलाने का अधिकार नहीं दिया जाना चाहिए I इसी प्रकार सिनेमा में पुरुष कारकूनों को भी जिस्म प्रदर्शन की खुली छूट नहीं होनी चाहिए I कहीं एक रेखा तो खींचनी पड़ेगी I माना सेक्स सम्बन्धी अधिकांश अपराधों में पुरुष ही जिम्मेदार होते हैं, परन्तु कुछ मर्यादा और आचरण-सीमा महिलाओं के लिए भी निर्धारित करनी पड़ेगी I वैसे भी हमारे समाज में value system सब के लिए एक जैसा नहीं हो सकता I शोभा डे और Hugh Hefner (of Playboy) का वैल्यू सिस्टम हमारे मध्य वर्गीय समाज (खासकर देहात) के वैल्यू सिस्टम से थोडा हट के है I क्योंकि Hefner ने 86 साल की उम्र में इस नए साल पर एक 26 साल की लडकी से शादी की है I अब आप बताएं क्या इस 26 साल की लड़की ने अपने दादा जी की उम्र वाले Hefnar की जवानी पर लट्टू हो कर शादी की है I नहीं, शायद उसके वैभव और बेशुमार दौलत से की है I क्या इस प्रकार के वैल्यू सिस्टम को आप अपने गाँव में पनपने देने की पक्षधर होंगी ? हरगिज़ नहीं I इसलिए हम समाज में फैली बुराइयों की जिम्मेवारी से महिलाओं को भी बरी नहीं कर सकते I क्योंकि बहुत सारी महिलायें भी सिनेमा जगत और संपन्न वर्ग की चका-चौंध से प्रभावित होकर अपनी मान मर्यादा का सौदा करने से गुरेज़ नहीं करती, परन्तु उनके तौर तरीके हमारे तथाकथिक सभ्य, प्रगतिशील और सुसंस्कृत वर्ग के लेखकों और बुद्दिजीवियों को सभ्यता का चरमोत्कर्ष नज़र आता है I माफ़ करना ये वैल्यू सिस्टम और इस प्रकार की महिला एम्पावरमेंट कुछ अटपटा सा लग रहा है I

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  8. #85
    Bollywood is entertainment and should be taken as one. The same bollywood also gave you good cinema, like everything else beauty lies in the eyes of beholder.

    But just to share a few statics on India Vs. the World

    A woman is raped in Delhi every 14 hours. That equates to 625 a year. Yet in England and Wales, which has a population about 3.5 times that of Delhi, we find a figure for recorded rapes of women that is proportionately four times larger: 9,509.

    In the US only 24% of alleged rapes even result in an arrest, never mind a conviction.

    Amnesty International conducted a poll in the United Kingdom a few years ago. Only four per cent of respondents thought that the number of women raped each year exceeded 10,000. But according to the Government’s Action Plan on Violence Against Women and Girls, 80,000 women are raped a year, and 400,000 women are sexually assaulted. It is a pandemic of violence against women that – given its scale – is not discussed nearly enough.

    Now those woman who ask INDIAN men to have proper thinking please read: The Amnesty poll found that a third of Britons believed a woman acting flirtatiously was partly or completely to blame for being raped, while over a quarter found women who were wearing revealing clothes or were drunk shared responsibility.

    Britain has the lowest conviction rate of 33 European countries: it’s a shockingly pathetic 6.5 per cent.



    Point is, India is still way better than west which some of us think should be role model. We of course need to stand up and do more but do it responsibly, not emotionally
    सच्चे शब्दों में सच के अहसास लिखेंगे ...
    वक्त पढे जिसको कुछ इतना खास लिखेंगे...
    गीत गजल हम पर लिखेंगे लिखने वाले...
    हमने कलम उठाइ, तो इतिहास लिखेंगे...!!

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  10. #86
    Malaika, Kareena may be cheap, vulgar and what not but no one on this thread mentioned even once about actors like Salman Khan, Sanjay Dutt, Emran Hashmi who spread the message of being macho, taking off shirts for nothing, fighting for women or flirting like no one's business?

    Isnt this our hypocrite way to live life?

    Like I said before, people get choices and what should they consume and what not should be left for them to choose.
    सच्चे शब्दों में सच के अहसास लिखेंगे ...
    वक्त पढे जिसको कुछ इतना खास लिखेंगे...
    गीत गजल हम पर लिखेंगे लिखने वाले...
    हमने कलम उठाइ, तो इतिहास लिखेंगे...!!

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  12. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by cooljat View Post
    .

    I fully endorse Abhik Bhaisaab's view point here but at the same time a bit disappointed with few female folks replies here as well. I wonder how can they advocate vulgarity and nudity in the name of profession, work and entertainment. A very simple question to them, if they find it very normal and liberal .. could you watch all these crap cheaps songs n' shows with your family specially elders?

    Our society is going thro' dangerous transition phase .. now a days hardly any place for family values, morals and ethics .. everything is being accepted in name of modern, liberal outlook. Look at the various tv advertisements, news paper ads and online news sites .. all are full of filthy vulgar stuff and that's really bad.

    This is a humble request to female folks and other liberal souls that please don't encourage such vulgarity in general. It's not expression of freedom or liberal attitude but sick and cheap show off.

    Thanks!

    Cheers
    Jit
    Jit - if you don't mind, can I put your question back to you more generally? Would you do all that you do in your life (say on your own or with your friends) in front of family, specially elders? If not, what sort of yardstick is this?

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  14. #88
    I haven't checked the whole thread, but I wonder if someone has posted what "Damini" was wearing or why she was out in the night or how exactly she behaved. I am surprised we don't have a thread - "Damini equally responsible for the death of Damini".

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  16. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by kapdal View Post
    I haven't checked the whole thread, but I wonder if someone has posted what "Damini" was wearing or why she was out in the night or how exactly she behaved. I am surprised we don't have a thread - "Damini equally responsible for the death of Damini".
    Well, not explicitly, but somebody did mention on another thread, she was late at night out with a male friend.
    Pagdi Sambhal Jatta..!

  17. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by rajpaldular View Post
    पहले हनी सिंह के रैप पर थिरकीं शीला, अब बोली अश्लील
    ===============================
    नई दिल्ली। जहां एक दिन पहले पॉप सिंगर हनी सिंह पर मैं हूं बलात्कारी गाने को लेकर मुकदमा दर्ज हुआ है वहीं हनी सिंह के साथ मुख्यमंत्री शीला दीक्षित के एक वीडियो ने और सनसनी फैला दी है। साल 2012 में अंतरराष्ट्रीय वरिष्ठ नागरिकता दिवस के अवसर पर मुख्यमंत्री और गायक हनी सिंह स्टेज पर एक ही गाने में थिरकते हुए नजर आएं। यू ट्यूब पर इस गाने के अपलोड होने के बाद से मुख्यमंत्री विवादों के घेरे में आ गई हैं, क्योंकि बीते दिनों मुख्यमंत्री ने हनी सिंह के गानों में अश्लील शब्दों के प्रयोग पर आपत्ति जताई थी।

    यू ट्यूब पर इस गाने के अपलोडिंग के बाद से लोगों का गुस्सा और सिर चढ़कर बोलने लगा है। दिल्ली में हुए गैंगरेप मामले के बाद से हनी सिंह पर एक अश्लील गाना गाने और कथित तौर पर उसे लिखने को लेकर केस एफआईआर भी दर्ज हो चुकी है।

    हालांकि इस आपत्तिजनक वीडियो पर मुख्यमंत्री की ओर से कोई भी प्रतिक्रिया अब तक सामने नहीं आई है। लोगों ने इस वीडियो को लेकर सोशल नेटवर्किग साइट पर मोर्चा खोल दिया है। इस वीडियो में मुख्यमंत्री के अलावा दिल्ली सरकार की एक और मंत्री किरण वालिया भी नजर आ रही हैं।

    गौरतलब है कि हनी सिंह ने भी अपनी सफाई में कहा है कि उन्होंने यह गाना नहीं लिखा है। इन सब के बाद न्यू ईयर ईव पर गुड़गांव में होने वाले हनी सिंह के सभी कार्यक्रम रद्द कर दिए गए हैं।




    Can you stop spreading false rumours and misleading people.

    a.) Shiela Dikshit ji shared the stage with Honey Singh in October last year. Not recently.

    b.) As far as vulgar song is concerned, the matter is with court. There could be a false case on Honey Singh by some people who don;t like him. so please wait for the verdict and than come to conclusion.

    Thanks,

  18. #91
    Honey Singh ke upar case kiya hai to Sunny Leone ke upar bhi thok do ek case. Agar Honey Singh ashleel gaane gaata hai to Sunny bhi ashleel video banaati hai/thi.

  19. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by deependra View Post
    This was just in response of your statement that you haven't seen her half naked in any of the movies and if you don't call it vulgar then I won't comment further on this thread.
    Dear,

    film was approved by censor board. so there is no vulgarity as per Indian rules and regulations. and also if we think that way then we must ban internet, hollywood movies as well. so plz think again.

    thanks

  20. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Samarkadian View Post
    http://in.omg.yahoo.com/photos/we-wi...you-slideshow/

    Have a look. So called cheap are not that 'cheap'.
    Thanks friend for sharing news and open eyes of fellow members.

    thank u again

  21. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by cooljat View Post
    .

    I fully endorse Abhik Bhaisaab's view point here but at the same time a bit disappointed with few female folks replies here as well. I wonder how can they advocate vulgarity and nudity in the name of profession, work and entertainment. A very simple question to them, if they find it very normal and liberal .. could you watch all these crap cheaps songs n' shows with your family specially elders?

    Our society is going thro' dangerous transition phase .. now a days hardly any place for family values, morals and ethics .. everything is being accepted in name of modern, liberal outlook. Look at the various tv advertisements, news paper ads and online news sites .. all are full of filthy vulgar stuff and that's really bad.

    This is a humble request to female folks and other liberal souls that please don't encourage such vulgarity in general. It's not expression of freedom or liberal attitude but sick and cheap show off.

    Thanks!

    Cheers
    Jit
    dear,

    though i can understand ur message and feeling regarding the change in society. but i have not seen one comment on changing man's thinking abt woman. why everything is being imposed on woman. from dress to where she goes, what she does; come on yar,,,don;t be tht skeptical.. plz also suggest how man should change.

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  23. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    Though any discussion/debate would have two sides to it - 'for' and 'against', I was not sure about the level of response on the 'against' aspect of it. In fact, I am surprised with the level of fan following of Kareena and Malaika.

    When men are ready for tougher laws which might EVEN be misused against the innocent, I find it strange that a few cheap women are not ready to stop removing their clothes in public.

    One false allegation of misbehaviour by any woman against a man can destroy his entire life. It would start with loss of his job, adding a criminal tag to him which would ensure that he gets no job in future. Plus the jail term and all the legal hassles - acquittal later on or not would be totally inconsequential as his entire life would have been damned by then.

    Despite the proposed changes being so draconian, I still support them because I strongly feel that the dignity of a woman is above everything else, even if it causes some collateral damage to the innocent men falsely implicated on charges of misbehaviour. And here we have a few women who cannot JUST refrain from removing clothes in public.

    Someone said it is the parents' job to police the children so that they are not influenced by these half-naked women. Where all do you expect the parents to be present with the children and put hands over their eyes and ears???? The moment you step out of the house, you have posters and billboards of these cheap people like Honey, Kareena, Malaika. I do hope people might have seen the posters of Jism 2.

    It is so easy to expect everything from others including the govt., but when it comes to self restraint and decency it is too much to ask for and conform to. Equally shameful as the sick animals.
    my dear friend,

    movies u r talking abt are being allowed by indian censor board. so the movie stick to the rule & regulation. also plz comment on ; how man shld change. u hv talked enough abt woman(indirectly). what woman shld wear, wht woman should do etc. but plz also comment on man thinking and attitude(which is retarded and sick).

    thnk u

  24. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by desijat View Post
    Malaika, Kareena may be cheap, vulgar and what not but no one on this thread mentioned even once about actors like Salman Khan, Sanjay Dutt, Emran Hashmi who spread the message of being macho, taking off shirts for nothing, fighting for women or flirting like no one's business?

    Isnt this our hypocrite way to live life?

    Like I said before, people get choices and what should they consume and what not should be left for them to choose.
    well said bro, ta
    Last edited by AnkurMalik; January 3rd, 2013 at 11:24 AM.

  25. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by desijat View Post
    Malaika, Kareena may be cheap, vulgar and what not but no one on this thread mentioned even once about actors like Salman Khan, Sanjay Dutt, Emran Hashmi who spread the message of being macho, taking off shirts for nothing, fighting for women or flirting like no one's business?

    Isnt this our hypocrite way to live life?

    Like I said before, people get choices and what should they consume and what not should be left for them to choose.
    dear agree wiht ur msg. thks

  26. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by kapdal View Post
    Jit - if you don't mind, can I put your question back to you more generally? Would you do all that you do in your life (say on your own or with your friends) in front of family, specially elders? If not, what sort of yardstick is this?
    yes dear, i do nt knw why there r dble standards. let him reply and then we come to knw.
    thanks

  27. #99
    aise sare mansa ke upar case thook ke jail mai daal doge ko fer election koun ladega???

    Quote Originally Posted by VPannu View Post
    Honey Singh ke upar case kiya hai to Sunny Leone ke upar bhi thok do ek case. Agar Honey Singh ashleel gaane gaata hai to Sunny bhi ashleel video banaati hai/thi.
    H.O.D. (Dept. of Common Sense)

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  29. #100
    lo yar ek gana sun lo honey singh ka.discussion nu thanda kar dita si:

    Gabru - J Star ft Yo Yo Honey Singh Official Song HD - International Villag

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1wK0r51ARs

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