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    Kareena Kapoor and Malaika Arora Khan equally responsible for the death of Damini

    No doubt people with sick minds need to be put in mental asylums and not be allowed to roam around freely. These men have no respect for even the ladies in their family. Not only they, even their families are equally responsible for the sick minds of their boys/men.

    Cheap women like Kareena Kapoor, Malaika Arora Khan, Malika Sherawat are equally responsible for the countless unfortunate incidents that happen with women in India. Cheap women like them through vulgar and titillating item numbers are corrupting the minds not only of the sick people but also the young and impressionable minds. What is equally shameful is the fact that people have come to accept this vulgar culture by playing those vulgar and titillating songs at their family functions.

    What to talk of the advertising world? Show a scantily clad woman in the advt. of every product whether the presence of woman there is appropriate/relevant or not. A case in point is the advt. of Carlton Suitcase where they just show the legs of a woman dressed in a mini skirt. There are countless such advts., but seemingly no control over them.

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  3. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    No doubt people with sick minds need to be put in mental asylums and not be allowed to roam around freely. These men have no respect for even the ladies in their family. Not only they, even their families are equally responsible for the sick minds of their boys/men.

    Cheap women like Kareena Kapoor, Malaika Arora Khan, Malika Sherawat are equally responsible for the countless unfortunate incidents that happen with women in India. Cheap women like them through vulgar and titillating item numbers are corrupting the minds not only of the sick people but also the young and impressionable minds. What is equally shameful is the fact that people have come to accept this vulgar culture by playing those vulgar and titillating songs at their family functions.

    What to talk of the advertising world? Show a scantily clad woman in the advt. of every product whether the presence of woman there is appropriate/relevant or not. A case in point is the advt. of Carlton Suitcase where they just show the legs of a woman dressed in a mini skirt. There are countless such advts., but seemingly no control over them.
    Yes world is a one weird place, it was and it would be. The same media and people blast Khaps when they ban DJ in marriages ridiculing its medieval mindset. People would do what pleases them. Further in the absence of your quoted cinema and advertising world was equally corrupt. It is just human being, by nature,like to appreciate old times.
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    दो दिन पहले मीडिया में सांसद अभिजीत मुखर्जी के ब्यान की काफी आलोचना हुई जिस कारण बाद में अभिजीत को मांफी मांगनी पड़ी । हो सकता हैं अभिजीत के कहने का तरीका व समय सही नहीं था परन्तु मेरे हिसाब से उन्होंने जो कहा बिलकुल सही कहा । दो - तीन दिन चला यह आन्दोलन शहरी लोगो की बनाई हुई सामाजिक संस्थाओं द्वारा चलाया गया था । शहरियों में भी दो तबके हैं एक उच्चवर्ग तबका तथा दूसरा मध्यवर्ग तबका और शहरियों की ये सामाजिक संस्थाए ज्यादातर उच्चवर्गीय तबके के लोगो की मिलेंगी , इन लोगो को समाज के भले की चिंता ज्यादा रहती हैं क्योंकि शहरियों के मध्यवर्गीय तबके को रोजी रोटी की भाग दौड़ से ही फुर्सत नहीं हैं । समाज के चिंतक इन उच्चवर्गीय लोगो (मर्द व औरत दोनों ) का लिबास भी देखने में अलग ही मिलेगा । इन लोगो की रात्रि की पार्टी की तस्वीरें पेज थ्री में सवेरे देखने को मिलती हैं । उन तस्वीरों में एक इन लोगो का लिबास देखे और एक फिर हमारे मध्यवर्गीय लोगो का लिबास । मध्यवर्गीय लोगो के लिबास में शर्म हया नजर आएगी परन्तु इनके लिबास में तो हर औरत अप्सरा मेनका का रूप धारण किये मिलती हैं । अब जहा मेनका होगी तो फिर वहाँ विश्वामित्र का होना भी लाजमी हैं । अकेली औरतें ही नहीं मर्दों का लिबास भी इनसे कुछ कम नहीं देखने में ऐसा लगता हैं जैसे की दोनों में नंगेपन की होड़ सी लगी हो । लड़के ऐसी पेंट पहनेंगे जो की देखने में ऐसा लगता हैं अब निकली तब निकली , पहनी अगले ने होती है और जी दुखी देखने वाले का रहता हैं की कहीं निकल ना जाए । आज इस देश के 80% देहाती लोगो का भाग्य ये 5-10% उच्चवर्गीय शहरी तय कर रहे हैं । फिल्मो के माध्यम से ये लोग वासना को प्रेम बता रहे हैं । इन लोगो का सिर्फ एक धर्म हैं पैसा और इसके लिए एक ही असूल हैं की जो दीखता हैं सो बिकता हैं । ये लोग यह नहीं सोचते की जो तुम लोग बेच रहे हो उससे निचले तबके की मानसिकता पर क्या असर पड़ रहा हैं । समाज में बदलाव धीरे धीरे आता हैं एक दम से ऐसे लाएंगे तो फिर विस्फोट ही होगा , अपराध बढेगा घटेगा नहीं ।
    Last edited by RavinderSura; December 29th, 2012 at 08:51 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavinderSura View Post
    दो दिन पहले मीडिया में सांसद अभिजीत मुखर्जी के ब्यान की काफी आलोचना हुई जिस कारण बाद में अभिजीत को मांफी मंगनी पड़ी । हो सकता हैं अभिजीत के कहने का तरीका व समय सही नहीं था परन्तु मेरे हिसाब से उन्होंने जो कहा बिलकुल सही कहा । दो - तीन दिन चला यह आन्दोलन शहरी लोगो की बनाई हुई सामाजिक संस्थाओं द्वारा चलाया गया था । शहरियों में भी दो तबके हैं एक उच्चवर्ग तबका तथा दूसरा मध्यवर्ग तबका और शहरियों की ये सामाजिक संस्थाए ज्यादातर उच्चवर्गीय तबके के लोगो की मिलेंगी , इन लोगो को समाज के भले की चिंता ज्यादा रहती हैं क्योंकि शहरियों के मध्यवर्गीय तबके को रोजी रोटी की भाग दौड़ से ही फुर्सत नहीं हैं । समाज के चिंतक इन उच्चवर्गीय लोगो (मर्द व औरत दोनों ) का लिबास भी देखने में अलग ही मिलेगा । इन लोगो की रात्रि की पार्टी की तस्वीरें पेज थ्री में सवेरे देखने को मिलती हैं । उन तस्वीरों में एक इन लोगो का लिबास देखे और एक फिर हमारे मध्यवर्गीय लोगो का लिबास । मध्यवर्गीय लोगो के लिबास में शर्म हया नजर आएगी परन्तु इनके लिबास में तो हर औरत अप्सरा मेनका का रूप धारण किये मिलती हैं । अब जहा मेनका होगी तो फिर वहाँ विश्वामित्र का होना भी लाजमी हैं । अकेली औरतें ही नहीं मर्दों का लिबास भी इनसे कुछ कम नहीं देखने में ऐसा लगता हैं जैसे की दोनों में नंगेपन की होड़ सी लगी हो । लड़के ऐसी पेंट पहनेंगे जो की देखने में ऐसा लगता हैं अब निकली तब निकली , पहनी अगले ने होती है और जी दुखी देखने वाले का रहता हैं की कहीं निकल ना जाए । आज इस देश के 80% देहाती लोगो का भाग्य ये 5-10% उच्चवर्गीय शहरी तय कर रहे हैं । फिल्मो के माध्यम से ये लोग वासना को प्रेम बता रहे हैं । इन लोगो का सिर्फ एक धर्म हैं पैसा और इसके लिए एक ही असूल हैं की जो दीखता हैं सो बिकता हैं । ये लोग यह नहीं सोचते की जो तुम लोग बेच रहे हो उससे निचले तबके की मानसिकता पर क्या असर पड़ रहा हैं । समाज में बदलाव धीरे धीरे आता हैं एक दम से ऐसे लाएंगे तो फिर विस्फोट ही होगा , अपराध बढेगा घटेगा नहीं ।
    bhai ye andolan kissi ka chalayaa huaa nahi thaa.....i know aap aise baat kyo bol rahe ho coz aap congress ke supporter ho....n congress jaise toochi sarkar n uske tooche leaders ko to beech sadak mai goli marr deni chahiye......congress ke neta azfal guru n osama bin laden jaise islamic teroorist ke naam ke aaagee to ji lagatee hai n apne desh ke logo ki jinhone desh ke liye bahut kuch kiya unko izzat nahi dete.......itna bada incident ho gaya rape walaa tab bhi yee saale andolan karne walo ko galat bata rahe hai.......inkii maa behno betiyon ka bhi rape hona chahiye tab itne pata chalega ki rape sirf eek ladki na nahi uski whole family ka hota hai.....soo plzz in congressioo ki itni baatein n care mat kiya karo

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    seriously its a mental disease which is spreading like anything in society...Its not possible to reform these monsters...Only harsh punishment will be a deterrent for these kinda monsters..They are menace to the society..Govt is impotent, it will do nothing.. we , the people of india should pledge not to tolerate this kinda incident in future..those monsters should be lynched there and then...

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  11. #6
    "Cheap women "
    1st -----I oppose the term CHEAP for any women----we are not objects.
    2nd-----If I have understood what you are trying to say, then u r accusing celebrity clothing ----- clothing -styling is never cheap. Its the junk in sick people's head which is cheap .

    Now who is accepting this culture - me n u all . We all watch those movies , shows , advertisements ,posters .
    I m not marketing major----however there is a phrase " Demand n Supply ". So called people like us like to watch , that's what they show.The day we stop buying that stuff , boycotting all such drama ------it would all vanish .
    I have said this in so many posts ----still repeating - Clothing , media etc is not responsible for it . Its the SICK MENTALITY .

    Although I never favor comparison between us n other so called European or american countries . Still , wanna say , if celebrity dressing would be the cause then those countries would top on such heinous crimes .

    Only n Only thing responsible is PATHETIC-SICK MENTALITY of people .
    Why are we making excuses , don't we have guts to admit that our so called system of Sanskar , Culture , education , awareness, ethics , morals has COLLAPSED ?

    PS : I give a damn about those celebrities .

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  13. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by rekha
    Although I never favor comparison between us n other so called European or american countries . Still , wanna say , if celebrity dressing would be the cause then those would top on such heinous crimes
    It is our misconception that rape and other crimes happen in India only. US has much higher rate of rapes than India (check statistics), US also tops in firearm murders. Some people say that middle-east has less amount of crime because of strict laws. However, according to Islamic laws, witnesses are necessary to prove rapes, otherwise many time case of rape is changed into that of adultery by influential people and victim herself get punished. Many Indians think that everything is goody-goody in other nation.
    I m not marketing major----however there is a phrase " Demand n Supply ". So called people like us like to watch , that's what they show.The day we stop buying that stuff , boycotting all such drama ------it would all vanish .

    Demand is always created. Whole capitalist system is based on consumerism. Robert Marcuse said that an appetite is created for luxury products, middle class buy those products and waste their hard-earned money, so again they have to work for capitalists to survive. This is a cycle, you work in companies and earn money, buy products and give your hard earned money to other industries, that's all capitalism. On the side note, I have found that Baniyas don't spend money in many things, despite being very rich.
    I oppose the term CHEAP for any women----we are not objects.

    And who encourages objectification of women ? Same media and same Bollywood. I agree that we can talk without using such adjectives for particular women.
    Only n Only thing responsible is PATHETIC-SICK MENTALITY of people .

    And where does mentality come from ? A guy is not born with ready-made mentality, he learns almost everything from society. He learns from people in his family, his village, his locality, books, cinemas, newspaper,etc. Different people take different meanings from same thing. There is no single factor responsible but lot of factors are responsible for such crimes, psychological determinism or psychological reduction-ism would not be wise.
    Last edited by bsbana; December 30th, 2012 at 04:44 AM.

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  15. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    No doubt people with sick minds need to be put in mental asylums and not be allowed to roam around freely. These men have no respect for even the ladies in their family. Not only they, even their families are equally responsible for the sick minds of their boys/men.

    Cheap women like Kareena Kapoor, Malaika Arora Khan, Malika Sherawat are equally responsible for the countless unfortunate incidents that happen with women in India. Cheap women like them through vulgar and titillating item numbers are corrupting the minds not only of the sick people but also the young and impressionable minds. What is equally shameful is the fact that people have come to accept this vulgar culture by playing those vulgar and titillating songs at their family functions.

    What to talk of the advertising world? Show a scantily clad woman in the advt. of every product whether the presence of woman there is appropriate/relevant or not. A case in point is the advt. of Carlton Suitcase where they just show the legs of a woman dressed in a mini skirt. There are countless such advts., but seemingly no control over them.
    I tend to disagree with your thoughts. First of all, it is disrespectful to term these women as 'cheap'. It is their job to entertain people. I don't think anyone of us would watch a movie with only male actors. The bitter truth is - sex sells, and that is why there are 'item numbers' showing more skin in movies to lure more crowd. It is the man who has to change himself. Just because someone watched a raunchy video, it doesn't mean he should go out and molest a female. No matter what a girl wears, NO ONE reserves the right to rape her. वेद पुराण में तो लिखा था की यत्र नार्यस्तु पूजयन्ते रमन्ते तत्र देवः , पूजा तो दूर की बात अगर औरत / लड़की को शान्ति से जीने दो वही बहोत है |
    "If I'm a woman and I'm walking down the street naked, you STILL don't have a right to rape me." - Dick Gregory

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    Quote Originally Posted by VPannu View Post
    It is their job to entertain people.
    समय का हेर फेर हैं कभी नाच के मनोरंजन करने वालियों को कंजरी कहा जाता था अब ये स्लेब्रिटी हो गईं हैं |
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavinderSura View Post
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  20. #11
    There is a universal saying that a person is known by the work that he/she does. These women are per se not cheap. The work they do by choice is cheap and that makes them cheap.

    Modernity does not lie in the clothes one wears or does not wear. Modernity lies in the mind. There should be equality in:
    * upbringing of male and female child.
    * education opportunities.
    * career opportunities and the right to make choices.
    * right to choose life partner (of course with the guidance of elders).
    * right to choosing when to have children and how many, etc.

    Unfortunately, we take modernity to be just short clothes, eating out at Dominos, late night movies, weekend visit to malls, etc.

    We cannot just let the glamour world including the advertising world hurtle the society towards an abyss. Tomorrow if they start selling contraband/drugs, we cannot just shrug it off as a matter of personal choice - If we like we can consume it, if we don't we can look the other way. Fortunately or unfortunately, the media plays a key role in shaping the society and carries a huge burden on its shoulders.

    Just to enter or maintain their place in the glamour world or for a few more bucks in their pocket, a few cheap women endanger the safety and dignity of the rest.

    They have commoditised women who according to the sick people encouraged/lured by the glamour world can just be taken/purchased off the shelf.

    Quote Originally Posted by rekha View Post
    "Cheap women "
    1st -----I oppose the term CHEAP for any women----we are not objects.
    2nd-----If I have understood what you are trying to say, then u r accusing celebrity clothing ----- clothing -styling is never cheap. Its the junk in sick people's head which is cheap .

    Now who is accepting this culture - me n u all . We all watch those movies , shows , advertisements ,posters .
    I m not marketing major----however there is a phrase " Demand n Supply ". So called people like us like to watch , that's what they show.The day we stop buying that stuff , boycotting all such drama ------it would all vanish .
    I have said this in so many posts ----still repeating - Clothing , media etc is not responsible for it . Its the SICK MENTALITY .

    Although I never favor comparison between us n other so called European or american countries . Still , wanna say , if celebrity dressing would be the cause then those countries would top on such heinous crimes .

    Only n Only thing responsible is PATHETIC-SICK MENTALITY of people .
    Why are we making excuses , don't we have guts to admit that our so called system of Sanskar , Culture , education , awareness, ethics , morals has COLLAPSED ?

    PS : I give a damn about those celebrities .
    Last edited by AbhikRana; December 30th, 2012 at 02:22 PM.

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  22. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by RavinderSura View Post
    समय का हेर फेर हैं कभी नाच के मनोरंजन करने वालियों को कंजरी कहा जाता था अब ये स्लेब्रिटी हो गईं हैं |
    haan bhai, doom ar miraassi to khatam hoge. reservation le ke nokri laag ge ar naach gaana chhod diya. ghar-2 tv / dvd hoge, shahar me movie theater hoge. kimme to chahiye na entertainment ka source nahi to jansankhya control nahi hogi.

  23. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by RavinderSura View Post
    दो दिन पहले मीडिया में सांसद अभिजीत मुखर्जी के ब्यान की काफी आलोचना हुई जिस कारण बाद में अभिजीत को मांफी मांगनी पड़ी । हो सकता हैं अभिजीत के कहने का तरीका व समय सही नहीं था परन्तु मेरे हिसाब से उन्होंने जो कहा बिलकुल सही कहा । दो - तीन दिन चला यह आन्दोलन शहरी लोगो की बनाई हुई सामाजिक संस्थाओं द्वारा चलाया गया था । शहरियों में भी दो तबके हैं एक उच्चवर्ग तबका तथा दूसरा मध्यवर्ग तबका और शहरियों की ये सामाजिक संस्थाए ज्यादातर उच्चवर्गीय तबके के लोगो की मिलेंगी , इन लोगो को समाज के भले की चिंता ज्यादा रहती हैं क्योंकि शहरियों के मध्यवर्गीय तबके को रोजी रोटी की भाग दौड़ से ही फुर्सत नहीं हैं । समाज के चिंतक इन उच्चवर्गीय लोगो (मर्द व औरत दोनों ) का लिबास भी देखने में अलग ही मिलेगा । इन लोगो की रात्रि की पार्टी की तस्वीरें पेज थ्री में सवेरे देखने को मिलती हैं । उन तस्वीरों में एक इन लोगो का लिबास देखे और एक फिर हमारे मध्यवर्गीय लोगो का लिबास । मध्यवर्गीय लोगो के लिबास में शर्म हया नजर आएगी परन्तु इनके लिबास में तो हर औरत अप्सरा मेनका का रूप धारण किये मिलती हैं । अब जहा मेनका होगी तो फिर वहाँ विश्वामित्र का होना भी लाजमी हैं । अकेली औरतें ही नहीं मर्दों का लिबास भी इनसे कुछ कम नहीं देखने में ऐसा लगता हैं जैसे की दोनों में नंगेपन की होड़ सी लगी हो । लड़के ऐसी पेंट पहनेंगे जो की देखने में ऐसा लगता हैं अब निकली तब निकली , पहनी अगले ने होती है और जी दुखी देखने वाले का रहता हैं की कहीं निकल ना जाए । आज इस देश के 80% देहाती लोगो का भाग्य ये 5-10% उच्चवर्गीय शहरी तय कर रहे हैं । फिल्मो के माध्यम से ये लोग वासना को प्रेम बता रहे हैं । इन लोगो का सिर्फ एक धर्म हैं पैसा और इसके लिए एक ही असूल हैं की जो दीखता हैं सो बिकता हैं । ये लोग यह नहीं सोचते की जो तुम लोग बेच रहे हो उससे निचले तबके की मानसिकता पर क्या असर पड़ रहा हैं । समाज में बदलाव धीरे धीरे आता हैं एक दम से ऐसे लाएंगे तो फिर विस्फोट ही होगा , अपराध बढेगा घटेगा नहीं ।
    Pardon me, Sura ji, but you have used a broad brush to paint everyone in the protests in a black color. You are right about the flimsy dresses and the page 3 parties of well to do urbanites but mixing that with the recent protests is unfair.

    If anything, these protests saw for the first time a mixed crowd comprising of the whole spectrum of the middle class. From the people I know who attended the protests, news videos that I saw and several articles that I read point out the fact it was a mixture of students, young professionals, housewives and senior citizens. This was a wave of anger from the same people who earlier gathered with Anna Hazare before they were dispersed by a lack of a concrete political alternative. And do remember, many of these people just like the victim herself, are from non-metro towns of the country and are in Delhi to study or work. That is why the biggest protests were seen on off-days like the 25th and the weekends. So its wrong and disparaging of their efforts to brand them as 'dented and painted'. And even if the protesters are middle class and urban, does that make the crime less heinous?

    Its right that this incident has attracted so much attention because it was a urban middle class issue. It happened to a middle class girl in the heart of the capital and that partly explains the wave of protests and sense of injustice that swept the mainly urban areas of the country. Similar and far worse crimes happen in the hinterlands and the rural areas of the backward regions and no one pays any attention. Even if reported by the media such news is relegated to the back pages before it vanishes without a trace. Soni Sori, a young woman whose father was suspected to be a Maoist was gang raped by Chattisgarh police and brutalized by inserting stones in her private parts. How many of us know about it?

    But the point is, rather than look for fault-lines we should appreciate that there is a chance this anger will lead to something concrete. If anti-rape laws are made stricter, special courts are established or rapists are punished more severely as a result of these protests, it will benefit the women of the entire country; not just the cities. If such incidents are able to drive social change it will affect the whole nation, maybe at varying levels but still it gives hopes to millions of women in the country, be it villages or metros. So lets not think with biases. Lets appreciate the people who are putting in their time and lets share the hope that things will get better for women of this country.
    Pagdi Sambhal Jatta..!

  24. #14
    Jitender Chhatar- Chowmein leads to hormonal imbalance evoking an urge to indulge in such acts (rape)
    Abhik Rana- Cheap women like Kareena Kapoor, Malaika Arora Khan, Malika Sherawat are equally responsible for the countless unfortunate incidents that happen with women in India.

    Seems like there’s a competition going on- who comes up with the most stupid explanation for such heinous crimes, lets’s just wait for more!!
    It is by luck that you get the chance to be the cause of someone's happiness,
    I love to grab these chances

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  26. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by cutejaatsandeep View Post
    bhai ye andolan kissi ka chalayaa huaa nahi thaa.....i know aap aise baat kyo bol rahe ho coz aap congress ke supporter ho....n congress jaise toochi sarkar n uske tooche leaders ko to beech sadak mai goli marr deni chahiye......congress ke neta azfal guru n osama bin laden jaise islamic teroorist ke naam ke aaagee to ji lagatee hai n apne desh ke logo ki jinhone desh ke liye bahut kuch kiya unko izzat nahi dete.......itna bada incident ho gaya rape walaa tab bhi yee saale andolan karne walo ko galat bata rahe hai.......inkii maa behno betiyon ka bhi rape hona chahiye tab itne pata chalega ki rape sirf eek ladki na nahi uski whole family ka hota hai.....soo plzz in congressioo ki itni baatein n care mat kiya karo
    इस सोच को थोड़ा और ऊपर उठा ले | कांग्रेस के साथ तो वा बात हैं की मेरे देश मे 99 बेईमान फिर भी मेरा देश महान क्योंकि पड़ोसी 100 के 100 बेईमान हैं यही कांग्रेस के साथ हैं , कांग्रेस टुची होते हुए भी देश पर राज कर रही हैं क्योंकि विपक्षी महाटुचे हैं |
    "कर्म हैं जिसका भगवान, कौम वतन पर हैं जो कुर्बान |
    पगड़ी का जो रखे मान सच्चे जाट की यह पहचान ||


    कुछ हमारे संग चले आये गे .कुछ देख के रंग ढंग चले आये गे .बाकी बचे होके तंग चले आये गे !

  27. #16
    भाई सिवाच , मैं सारी भीड़ के लिए नहीं कह रहा , मैंने तो हाइ सोसाइटी के चंद लोगो के लिए बोला था जो मीडिया मे इसकी अगुवाई कर रहे थे | मेरा इशारा तो उन लोगो की तरफ था जो रोज शाम को टीवी पे नजर आते हैं बड़ी बड़ी बाते करते हैं जमीनी हक़ीक़त से उनका कोई वास्ता नहीं होता | इन 5-10% लोगो के रीति रिवाज देश के 90% लोगो से कहीं मेल नहीं खाते | कानून मे संसोधन जरूरी हैं और अकेले कानून ही नहीं इसमे घरवालो की भी जिम्मेवारी बनती हैं की वो बच्चो को क्या संस्कार देते हैं उनका बच्चो पर कितना नियंत्रण हैं | वैसे इनमे आधे से ज्यादा मुकदमे झूठे होते हैं इसलिए कानून मे संसोधन भी सोच समझ के करना चाहिए नहीं तो कुछ लोग बाद मे इसे ब्लेक मेलिंग का धंधा बना लेंगे |
    हम लोग हिन्दू मैरिज एक्ट मे संसोधन की बात करते हैं तो ये लोग हमे तालिबानी कहते हैं यदि हम अपनी मांग के लिए इनकी तरह राष्ट्रपति भवन पर चढ़ाई करते तो ये लोग पता नहीं हमारे लिए क्या क्या शब्दो का इस्तेमाल करते , माना की गुस्सा था पर क्या सिर्फ इन लोगो का गुस्सा गुस्सा हैं हमारा कुछ नहीं , मीडिया इनके गुस्से को सरकार तक़ पहुचाती हैं परंतु मीडिया को हमारा गुस्सा कभी नजर नहीं आया अगर आया भी तो उसमे उसे तालिबान दिखता हैं| इस हिन्दू मेरीज एक्ट के कारण हमारे लोगो को कितनी मानसिक परेशानी झेलनी पड़ती हैं वह इन लोगो को क्यों नजर नहीं आती कहने मतलब यह हैं की दोगला व्यवहार नहीं होना चाहिए | अब इनके गुस्से की घड़ियाली आशुओं की देख लेना दो दिन की बात और हैं | कल मैं टीवी पर देख रहा था की तमाम फिल्मी सितारे रो रहे थे बड़ा दुख हुआ उन लोगो को , असली दुख का तो 31 की रात को पता चलेगा इनमे से कितने जश्न मनाते हैं और कितने शोक |
    "कर्म हैं जिसका भगवान, कौम वतन पर हैं जो कुर्बान |
    पगड़ी का जो रखे मान सच्चे जाट की यह पहचान ||


    कुछ हमारे संग चले आये गे .कुछ देख के रंग ढंग चले आये गे .बाकी बचे होके तंग चले आये गे !

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  29. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Mishti View Post
    Seems like there’s a competition going on- who comes up with the most stupid explanation for such heinous crimes, lets’s just wait for more!!
    बहुत गिनौना अपराध था यह इसमे कोई दोराय नहीं और ऐसे अपराधो को रोकने के लिए सख्त कानून बनाने की बात भी सही हैं क्योंकि हमारे देश मे लोग डर से ज्यादा काबू मे आते हैं पुचकार से नहीं परंतु इसके साथ साथ इस पर भी विचार जरूरी हैं की ऐसे अपराधो के ग्राफ मे बढ़ोतरी क्यो हो रहे हैं इस सबका असली ज़िम्मेवार कौन हैं ? साँप न के मारे साँप की माँ ने मारे |
    "कर्म हैं जिसका भगवान, कौम वतन पर हैं जो कुर्बान |
    पगड़ी का जो रखे मान सच्चे जाट की यह पहचान ||


    कुछ हमारे संग चले आये गे .कुछ देख के रंग ढंग चले आये गे .बाकी बचे होके तंग चले आये गे !

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  31. #18
    "Modernity does not lie in the clothes one wears or does not wear. Modernity lies in the mind. There should be equality in:
    * upbringing of male and female child.
    * education opportunities.
    * career opportunities and the right to make choices.
    * right to choose life partner (of course with the guidance of elders).
    * right to choosing when to have children and how many, etc.


    Unfortunately, we take modernity to be just short clothes, eating out at Dominos, late night movies, weekend visit to malls, etc."


    In agreement .


    "Tomorrow if they start selling contraband/drugs"


    Are they ? They can not there is a very big difference between Illegal/ Legal .


    "the media plays a key role in shaping the society and carries a huge burden on its shoulders."
    If that is the case why to blame parenting, upbringing , surroundings , education etc for it . BAN all show biz channels n movies ,
    and BINGO such Heinous crimes would be vanished . we need to share this VERY ImPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION WITH THe GOVT .


    "a few cheap women endanger the safety and dignity of the rest."
    No matter how loud I go , this cHEAP word is like calling name to every woman . Endanger to society u mean then in Islamic countries
    there is no danger to woman -no such heinous crimes . I m not good with statistics , so u may be right .
    Again BINGO-


    "sick people encouraged/lured by the glamour"
    If some body is already sick , he can be allured even with a CANDY . So shall we BAN the candy.OR shall we fix those SICK PEOPLE.


    (please accept my aplogies for being sarcastic , however I could not control it )


    Above mentioned your reply .


    Now , please dear , stop accusing us for any such damn thing . Trust me even if its just for money no WOMAN want this .If reasons mentioned
    by you are responsible for it . Then free those culprits of bus gang rape . Rather HANG US ALL , we brutally murdered her not them.


    I rest my case -----done with defending ourselves every then n now . Enough is enough.

  32. #19
    "US has much higher rate of rapes than India (check statistics)"


    Hmmm possible , do share statistics . Also please keep a note that how many of %ge of cases get repoorted in
    India . Many tend to live their life with such trauma instaed of reporting out of society and family pressure.


    "according to Islamic laws, witnesses are necessary to prove rapes"
    May be , I have no clue about ISlamic Laws . Related to witnesses or evidence , you are right . Still wanna share something,
    I have never seen any court hearing in my life ( ram ji kare kabhi suno bhi na ) . One of my known used to go to Tees HAzari was a law student ,
    she herself being lawyer said she has seen rape hearings and all witness stuff as well . She concluded, its better not to report,
    coz people they murder u with every word they say in every moment.




    "Many Indians think that everything is goody-goody in other nation"
    U r talking about stuff decades back , now coz of Internet we all know whats good with our nation or what not .
    Earlier when we did not have any exposure almost every one dream of settling abroad thinking its better out there .
    Now situations change , people rather want to stay in India so what if they get paid less( leave it off topic)


    "Demand is always created"
    Don't u think , ALWAYS is not right word . At times yes demand is created. If people are so dumb that they would fall for
    such so called created Show Biz Demand , why to blame celebrities dear .


    " I have found that Baniyas don't spend money in many things, despite being very rich."
    Just your perception . Mine is altogthter different . Baniyas if I m not wrong considered to be miser
    when it comes to spend money on others like frnds n all ( anyways leave it , off topic)


    "And who encourages objectification of women ? Same media and same Bollywood"
    No dear its US , we encourage Obejectification of women . They just show us what we wanna see.


    "And where does mentality come from ? A guy is not born with ready-made mentality, he learns almost everything from society. He learns from people in his family, his village, his locality, books, cinemas, newspaper,etc"
    In agreement , that is why I have stated "Why are we making excuses , don't we have guts to admit that our so called system of Sanskar , Culture , education , awareness, ethics , morals has COLLAPSED ?"


    "no single factor responsible but lot of factors"
    Share some factors , may that would help identifying root cause of sich heinous action.


    Above mentioned was your reply .


    Now dear , just think in very layman language . If these so called actions of celebrities are reponsible for such crimes.
    Then why not me or u doing same on the streets . We all watch them and like them .Rather everybody appreciate them.
    Then whats the %ge of such people with sick minds doing it -----5 /10/20/30 % may be . I do not know u know statistics better than me.




    PS : If people like u n me with good education and upbringing would think this way . Then now I am so sure our SYSTEM has COLLAPSED already .


    No more replys from my side : Humare yahan kahawat hai , jismei jitni samajh hoti hai woh utni hi bat karta hai .

  33. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by rekha
    Hmmm possible , do share statistics . Also please keep a note that how many of %ge of cases get repoorted in
    India . Many tend to live their life with such trauma instaed of reporting out of society and family pressure.

    We can say same about US girls too, many US girls also may not report case.
    BTW

    P.S. whatever is written in pic is not my opinion, I am sharing it for reference only.
    Quote Originally Posted by rekha
    Now dear , just think in very layman language . If these so called actions of celebrities are reponsible for such crimes.
    Quote Originally Posted by rekha
    Then why not me or u doing same on the streets . We all watch them and like them .Rather everybody appreciate them.
    Then whats the %ge of such people with sick minds doing it
    I already said that there are lot of factors behind such crimes but I think that media is also a factor, not only factor though. BTW I haven't abused any media personality. There are lot of mass murders in US, in my opinion Hollywood plays a role in that because they do show extreme violence in movies, but again I would say that this is not the "only factor". I forgot name of the hollywood movie in which a boy turns into mass-murderer because he watched lot of violent movies in his childhood. Human brain is heavily influenced by media(movies,books and newspaper). If you say only sick mentality is responsible for this. Then this discussion ends here. Rather we should worry about how to deal with people of sick mentality. One is making our police and judiciary more effective, other is giving suggestion to women not to go in night, third is allowing easy gun licence so women can deal with criminal by themselves.
    Last edited by bsbana; December 30th, 2012 at 09:06 PM.

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