Last edited by jaisingh318; January 13th, 2013 at 08:31 PM.
उपेंदर भाई हिंदू धर्म की ऐसी क्या हानि हो गयी की तुम्हे लंगोट कस के अपनी क्षमतानुसार यहाँ धर्म युद्ध में कूदना पड़ा ! ये विषय तुमने की आरम्भ किया है और येन केन प्रकारेण ये प्रमणित करने पर तुले हो की गैर हिंदू ओछे हैं , नीच हैं और महान होने की काबिलियत नहीं है ! जब तुम्हारे अनुसार मेरे या किसी और के कहने से हिंदू धर्म की कोई हानि नहीं है तो ये क्या विचलित स्वभाव दर्शा रहे हो ? ओह ! आखिर लाभ लिया है तो बदला चुका रहे हो ! लेकिन ये कैसा बदला और किस से ?
"All I am trying to do is bridge the gap between Jats and Rest of World"
As I shall imagine, so shall I become.
paulgill (May 31st, 2015)
ye ek ho sake s par jab tak mahre me is upendr berge surdas rahenge itne to ......
"कर्म हैं जिसका भगवान, कौम वतन पर हैं जो कुर्बान |
पगड़ी का जो रखे मान सच्चे जाट की यह पहचान ||
कुछ हमारे संग चले आये गे .कुछ देख के रंग ढंग चले आये गे .बाकी बचे होके तंग चले आये गे !
paulgill (May 31st, 2015)
narenderkharb (January 14th, 2013), ssgoyat (January 15th, 2013)
Neither I am in the wrong nor for that matter the Jat Land [the link is open for updating and editing and contains extracts from the book written in 1930's and the Jatland does not forbid anyone from inserting new research based matter.]
If you are ready to update yourself read the following book :
Read, Rise of the Jat Power, Chapter Heritage Maintained deals with Maharaja Jawahar Singh, (1988), Delhi.
rajpaldular (February 10th, 2014), upendersingh (January 15th, 2013)
elders of sansanwal called him jat jawaharmal not maharaja jawaharmal.( puskarbath refrance.).............and this is the real respect that they gives him.
Last edited by jaisingh318; January 13th, 2013 at 09:46 PM.
jaisingh318 (January 16th, 2013)
HINDU DHARMA sAYS; ''SARAV DHARAM SAMBHAVA''
Paying tribute to the qualities of head and heart of Shri Rama Chandra, the Maryada Purushotam, Allama Mohd. Iqbal has said :
"Hai Ram ke wajood pe Hindustan ko naaz,
Ahl-e-najar samajhate hain unko immam-e-Hind.
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Talwar ka dhani tha, shujat mein fard tha,
Pakeezgi mein, josh-e-mahabat mein fard tha.''
i.e.
India is mighty proud of Rama's sacred name,
Discerning minds respect his word as the voice of God.
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Rama was a warrior great, uniquely brave at heart,
A reservoir of love, abounding, pure in word and deed.
Yah sahi mayane mein Ganga-Jamuni Sanskriti ka asar hai jo hume Mahapurushon ki lekhan aur vyaktitava se sikhne ko milta hai.
Allama Iqbal ne hi likha hai Tarana-e-Hindi :
Saare jahan se achha Hindustan hamaara,
Hum bulbalen hain iski, yeh gulistan hamara
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Mazhab nahin sikhata aaps mein ber rakhna,
Hindi hain hum, watan hai Hindustan hamaara.
Aur bhi udaharn dekhne hon to Gurbani padhiye jismein Sikh dharam ke baani Guru Nanak Dev ji kahate hain :
SAB MAANUSH KEE EK ZAAT..
narenderkharb (January 14th, 2013), op1955 (January 15th, 2013), paulgill (May 30th, 2015), spdeshwal (January 14th, 2013), upendersingh (January 15th, 2013)
Jaisingh aise shabd use karne se pehle aap apna dna check kara lijiye.... jaat to aisi baat nahin karte....
cooljat (January 15th, 2013), rajpaldular (February 10th, 2014), VPannu (January 15th, 2013)
Brother, I went through this NCAER research. As it was about 8 year old research, based upon the survey of some 2 lac+ people of various states of India, so it can not be taken seriously. During these about 8 years a lot of things have changed. It may be possible that abovementioned minorities' incomes might have gone higher in comparison with other communities at present, but the opposite is also possible. You can't imagine how rapidly people in Delhi are getting richer day by day as this city hasn't seen any natural calamity for a long time. Who ran tea shops some years back they are buying brand new Volkswagens, Hondas and Toyotas now, getting their old houses built into a 4 storey building in a very short frame of time. Have a look please;
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Five States have overtaken Punjab in terms of per capita income by 2009-10. Both Maharashtra and Haryana now have significantly higher per capita NSDP, though that is not really so surprising since they were both relatively high-income States even in the 1980s and they both overtook Punjab at the turn of the century.
But there are other surprises, particularly Tamil Nadu and Kerala. In 1980-81, per capita income in Punjab was 56 per cent higher than in Tamil Nadu and 27 per cent higher than in Kerala — quite substantial differences. The advantage of Punjab remained through most of the period, really until the middle of the 2000s. However, in the latter half of the 2000s, faster growth in both of these States meant that they now have higher per capita incomes, with the difference in the 6-8 per cent range.
This is not really due to income stagnation in Punjab, since Chart 5 indicates that even in Punjab there was an acceleration of growth from around 2005-06. Rather, it was because growth in these other States was even faster from the early part of the last decade.
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And let's assume this NCAER survey is still right, still you haven't got what I wanted to convey. How many non Hindus have done well on world level? If they haven't, then it means their religion fails to inspire them, fails to give them such a atmosphere they can do well at top most level. That's what I meant.
According to Hindu epicRamayana, Rama, the seventh avatar of the god Vishnu, prayed to Shiva here at Rameswaram to absolve any sins that he might have committed during his war against the demon-king Ravana in Sri Lanka. According to the Puranas (Hindu scriptures), upon the advice of sages, Rama along with his wife Sita and his brother Lakshmana, installed and worshipped the lingam (an iconic symbol of Shiva) here to expiate the sin of Brahmahatya incurred while killing of theBrahmin Ravana.
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arai Upender; kyu bola ho rehya sai..Tere pai kisse RSS aale ka tagda prabhav padd rehya sai..
Jaat kadd tai itne Hindu hoge!
desijat (January 15th, 2013), DrRajpalSingh (January 15th, 2013), kapdal (January 15th, 2013), paulgill (May 30th, 2015)
Epic 'Epic' hota hai Hindu ya anya kisi ka ekadhikaar us pe nahin Hota.
Kyon Ponga Panditvaad ko badhawa de rahe ho Bhai,
Swami Dayanand Saraswati rachit Satyaratha Prakash padho aur
is tarah ke bharam jaal se bahir niklo;
Avashaya Kalyan hoga.
Kabirdaas ne kucchh is prakar kaha hai:
Pahan puje Hari Mile to main pujoon Pahad;
Tate ghar ki chaki bhali, pees khaye sansar.
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paulgill (May 31st, 2015)
Agreed, the research is 8 years old. But it does show non-Hindu groups ahead on income levels.
Also agreed, things might have changed in the last 8 years, but the gap may have increased even further.
Since you place so much influence on religion being a key determinant of progress, please explain how Hinduism has provided an atmosphere for people to do well at the top most level as you put it. And do share how other religions haven't and its effect on the people who follow it.And let's assume this NCAER survey is still right, still you haven't got what I wanted to convey. How many non Hindus have done well on world level? If they haven't, then it means their religion fails to inspire them, fails to give them such a atmosphere they can do well at top most level. That's what I meant.
Pagdi Sambhal Jatta..!
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Agree or not Jats are Hindu (Sikh Jat is exception). Because we follow Hindu customs, rituals, traditions,celebrate all the Hindu festivals and even do worship (occasionally) of Hanuman and Shiva. Jats are however not religious Hindu and hardly do regular worship and chant bhajan or like that but still we are very much Hindu.
On the other hand if you observe and do analysis you'll find Hinduism more tolerant, liberal and easy going compare to other religions. Even Hindus are more secular, peace loving and easy going compare to other devotees and in fact you'll often see hindus visiting Gurudwara, Masjid, Church etc.
It's kinda strange n' absurd to see few great intellects here are trying to compare devoted Hindus as extremists .. it reminds me of Dumb a$$ Rahul Gandhi who once said we have more threat from 'Saffron' terrorism then Muslims extremists!
Come on guys, stop being over Gyaani! Even 'Ram Ram' comes from Hinduism !
.. " Until Lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter! " ..
deveshdahiya (July 25th, 2014)
Last edited by Samarkadian; January 15th, 2013 at 10:30 PM.
"All I am trying to do is bridge the gap between Jats and Rest of World"
As I shall imagine, so shall I become.
paulgill (May 31st, 2015), ravinderjeet (January 17th, 2013)
DrRajpalSingh (January 15th, 2013), paulgill (May 30th, 2015)
You are absolutely right; rather it is not only futile exercise but also useless and far fetched idea !
No religion is good or bad, but from time to time, its adherents make it so.
deveshdahiya (July 25th, 2014), paulgill (May 31st, 2015), vikda (January 15th, 2013)
paulgill (May 31st, 2015)