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[maddhan1979]

One of the major city that connects "Jats and Scythians" is "Sialkot in Pakistan".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sialkot

Sialkot was ruled by a Jat king.

[maddhan1979]

An excellent work done by Mr. Kaliyar:

Copied and pasted from http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...uot-Alans-quot:

Asia's "Jats" and "Alani" Become Europe's "Jutes" and "Alans"

Refer http://www.israelite.info/bookexcerp...ibestoday.html


Asia's "Jats" and "Alani" Become Europe's "Jutes" and "Alans"
As the Saxons migrated into Europe and the British Isles, they were closely allied to the "Jutes." History records that after their entry into the British Isles, they settled in Kent, the Isle of Wight and parts of Hampshire.79 The Jutes left their name (Jute-land) on the Danish peninsula of "Jutland." Where did they come from? Is there evidence of their name in Asia? There certainly is, and even then we find them closely identified with the Sacae, who became the Saxons. When describing the Sacae Scythian tribes who migrated from the Caspian Sea region in the second century, B.C., to settle within the Parthian Empire, historian George Rawlinson notes that the greatest tribe, the Massagetae, was also named the "great Jits, or Jats."80 These migrating Sacae or Saka gave their name to the Parthian province of Sacastan and to the Saka kingdoms of Northwest India. The term "Jat" has survived as a caste-name in northwest India into modern times, attesting to the ancient dominance of the Jats in that region. The Encyclopedia Britannica states the following about the ancient "Jats:"
"The early Mohammedans wrote of the Jats country as lying between Kirman and Mansura...Speculation has identified them with the Getae of Herodotus ...[or] Scythians or Indo-Scythians."81 (Emphasis added)
The Asian Jats lived near the land of Kirman (i.e. the Kerman or German region of Parthia). If they were Asian "Getae," their later European name was the "Getes" or "Goths." If they were Scythians (Sacae), they became known as Germans or Saxons as they entered Europe. Collier's Encyclopedia states of the Jats:
"They are believed to be descended from the Saka or Scythians, who moved into India in a series of migrations between the second century B.C. and the fifth century A.D."82 (Emphasis added)
Since the Jats were a branch of the "Sacae," called "Saxones" by Ptolemy, it is not surprising that they were still allied to the "Saxons" and called "Jutes" by the time they reached Europe and the British Isles. Note that the consonants of the words “Jats” and “Jutes” are identical.
Many Sacae moved into Parthia in the second century B.C., but some did stay in Asia centuries after the fall of Parthia as we will document in the next chapter. In Asia, the Sacae and Jats lived next to the Kermans (Germanii); in Europe they were called the Saxons and Jutes, and were part of the migrating Germans. Their names changed very little as they moved from Parthian Asia into Europe as part of the great Caucasian migrations. The names "Kerman" and "Jats" also remained in the regions of Asia where they once lived. Some Jats stayed in India and intermarried with other tribes in the region. Today, the Indian Jats "in general have a fair complexion,"83 supporting the conclusion that they had Saka ancestors. As discussed in books two and three of this series, the Massagetae, a leading tribe of the Sacae were most likely the descendants of the Israelite tribe of Manasseh, and the suffix "-getae" indicates a common origin with the "Getae" ("Goths") of the Black Sea region.
Historian Herbert Hannay wrote about this connection:
"The Goths, too, it will be remembered, when in Asia as the Massagetae, had been worshippers of the Sun..."84(Emphasis added)
The second book in this series discussed the Massagetae in detail, acknowledging that they were sun-worshippers. After crushing the army of the Persian King, Cyrus the Great, in the sixth century B.C., they migrated into Parthia in the second century B.C. They lived in the Parthian province of Sakastan, named for their Sacae origins. It must be acknowledged that while Christianity had significant numbers of converts in the Parthian Empire, many Parthians and Scythians remained Zoroastrians or sun-worshippers. Hannay's quote identifies the Massagetae with the "Goths" who migrated into Europe. However, this author thinks most of the Massagetae (a "Sacae" tribe) merged into the Saxon tribes who migrated into northern Europe after Parthia fell.
Another Asian tribe that moved from Asia into Europe was the Alans (or Alani). Historian George Rawlinson notes that bands of Alani lived from the Black Sea region to the east of the Caspian Sea.85 They have been called "half-caste Scyths," and many Alani followed the Vandals into Europe.86 Collier's Encyclopedia asserts the Alans were a tribe of "Iranian-speaking nomads" who moved from Asia into Europe in the 5th century A.D., and established a kingdom of their own in Portugal.87 Even as the numerous third century Goths by the Black Sea exhibited "Iranian" (i.e., Parthian) traits, the Alans had an "Iranian" language. This confirms they had a common origin with the Parthians and Scythians, whose "Iranian" language and culture is well-documented.
The Indo-Europeans who migrated from Asia into Europe in the aftermath of Parthia's fall included many different nations and tribes. As tribes intermingled, became allied or split up as they poured into Europe, there came to be considerable overlap in terms such as "Germans," "Goths," and "Saxons." The term "Caucasian" became an overall term to describe all these tribes migrating into Europe through the Caucasus Mountain/Black Sea region.



Footnotes:
46.Turner, Sharon, The History of the Anglo-Saxons, pp. 100-101
47.Langenscheidt's German-English/English-German Dictionary, see word "Saxon" in English-German section, p. 510
48.Camden, William, Britannia, p. 129
49.Turner, Sharon, The History of the Anglo-Saxons, Vol. 1, pp. 31 and 34
50.Rawlinson, The Sixth Oriental Monarchy, pp. 187-189
51.Gawler, Colonel J.C., p. 6 (citing Sharon Turner's History Of The Anglo-Saxons, Vol. 1, p. 100)
52.R. H. Hodgkin, History of the Anglo-Saxons, p. 17
53.Church, Early Britain, pp. 80-82
54.Camden, Britannia, p. 141
55.Hodgkin, p. 36
56.Ibid, p.42
57.Fisher, DV., The Anglo-Saxon Age, p. 1
58.Turner, Vol. 1, p. 50
59.Hodgkin, pp. 24-27
60.Bradley, pp. 1, 7-8
61.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 10, Heading entitled: "Early History," p. 549
62.Ibid. p. 549
63.Ibid, p. 5
64.Ibid, p. 4
65.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 10, Heading entitled "Goths," Subhead: Gothic Language," pp. 551-552
66.Bradley, p. 5
67.Ibid, p. 5
68.Gawler, p. 9
69.Bradley, pp. 4-5
70. Hannay, Herbert, European and other Race Origins, p. 232
71.Ibid, p. 232
72.Herodotus, The History, 1, 125
73.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 17, Heading entitled "Persis," p. 611
74.Strabo, The Geography of Strabo, Vol. 7, 15. 2. 14
75.Ibid., Vol. 5, 12. 4. 3
76.Church, Alfred, Carthage, p. 269
77.Dilke, O.A.W., Greek and Roman Maps, p. 46 (citing Pliny, iv. 81)
78.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 19, Heading entitled "Sarmatae," p. 1001
79.Ibid., Vol. 13, Heading entitled, "Jutes," p. 217
80.Rawlinson, The Sixth Oriental Monarchy, p. 118
81.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 12, Heading entitled "Jat," p. 970
82.Collier's Encyclopedia, Vol. 11, Heading entitled "Jats," p. 356
83.Ibid., p. 357
84. Hannay, Herbert, European and other Race Origins, p. 233
85.Rawlinson, The Sixth Oriental Monarchy, p.291(see also footnote 2)
86.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 1, Heading entitled "Alani," p. 496
87.Collier's Encyclopedia, Vol. 1, Heading entitled "Alani," p. 310

[maddhan1979]

An excellent work done by Mr. Kaliyar:

Copied and pasted from http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...uot-Alans-quot:

Asia's "Jats" and "Alani" Become Europe's "Jutes" and "Alans"

Refer http://www.israelite.info/bookexcerp...ibestoday.html


Asia's "Jats" and "Alani" Become Europe's "Jutes" and "Alans"
As the Saxons migrated into Europe and the British Isles, they were closely allied to the "Jutes." History records that after their entry into the British Isles, they settled in Kent, the Isle of Wight and parts of Hampshire.79 The Jutes left their name (Jute-land) on the Danish peninsula of "Jutland." Where did they come from? Is there evidence of their name in Asia? There certainly is, and even then we find them closely identified with the Sacae, who became the Saxons. When describing the Sacae Scythian tribes who migrated from the Caspian Sea region in the second century, B.C., to settle within the Parthian Empire, historian George Rawlinson notes that the greatest tribe, the Massagetae, was also named the "great Jits, or Jats."80 These migrating Sacae or Saka gave their name to the Parthian province of Sacastan and to the Saka kingdoms of Northwest India. The term "Jat" has survived as a caste-name in northwest India into modern times, attesting to the ancient dominance of the Jats in that region. The Encyclopedia Britannica states the following about the ancient "Jats:"
"The early Mohammedans wrote of the Jats country as lying between Kirman and Mansura...Speculation has identified them with the Getae of Herodotus ...[or] Scythians or Indo-Scythians."81 (Emphasis added)
The Asian Jats lived near the land of Kirman (i.e. the Kerman or German region of Parthia). If they were Asian "Getae," their later European name was the "Getes" or "Goths." If they were Scythians (Sacae), they became known as Germans or Saxons as they entered Europe. Collier's Encyclopedia states of the Jats:
"They are believed to be descended from the Saka or Scythians, who moved into India in a series of migrations between the second century B.C. and the fifth century A.D."82 (Emphasis added)
Since the Jats were a branch of the "Sacae," called "Saxones" by Ptolemy, it is not surprising that they were still allied to the "Saxons" and called "Jutes" by the time they reached Europe and the British Isles. Note that the consonants of the words “Jats” and “Jutes” are identical.
Many Sacae moved into Parthia in the second century B.C., but some did stay in Asia centuries after the fall of Parthia as we will document in the next chapter. In Asia, the Sacae and Jats lived next to the Kermans (Germanii); in Europe they were called the Saxons and Jutes, and were part of the migrating Germans. Their names changed very little as they moved from Parthian Asia into Europe as part of the great Caucasian migrations. The names "Kerman" and "Jats" also remained in the regions of Asia where they once lived. Some Jats stayed in India and intermarried with other tribes in the region. Today, the Indian Jats "in general have a fair complexion,"83 supporting the conclusion that they had Saka ancestors. As discussed in books two and three of this series, the Massagetae, a leading tribe of the Sacae were most likely the descendants of the Israelite tribe of Manasseh, and the suffix "-getae" indicates a common origin with the "Getae" ("Goths") of the Black Sea region.
Historian Herbert Hannay wrote about this connection:
"The Goths, too, it will be remembered, when in Asia as the Massagetae, had been worshippers of the Sun..."84(Emphasis added)
The second book in this series discussed the Massagetae in detail, acknowledging that they were sun-worshippers. After crushing the army of the Persian King, Cyrus the Great, in the sixth century B.C., they migrated into Parthia in the second century B.C. They lived in the Parthian province of Sakastan, named for their Sacae origins. It must be acknowledged that while Christianity had significant numbers of converts in the Parthian Empire, many Parthians and Scythians remained Zoroastrians or sun-worshippers. Hannay's quote identifies the Massagetae with the "Goths" who migrated into Europe. However, this author thinks most of the Massagetae (a "Sacae" tribe) merged into the Saxon tribes who migrated into northern Europe after Parthia fell.
Another Asian tribe that moved from Asia into Europe was the Alans (or Alani). Historian George Rawlinson notes that bands of Alani lived from the Black Sea region to the east of the Caspian Sea.85 They have been called "half-caste Scyths," and many Alani followed the Vandals into Europe.86 Collier's Encyclopedia asserts the Alans were a tribe of "Iranian-speaking nomads" who moved from Asia into Europe in the 5th century A.D., and established a kingdom of their own in Portugal.87 Even as the numerous third century Goths by the Black Sea exhibited "Iranian" (i.e., Parthian) traits, the Alans had an "Iranian" language. This confirms they had a common origin with the Parthians and Scythians, whose "Iranian" language and culture is well-documented.
The Indo-Europeans who migrated from Asia into Europe in the aftermath of Parthia's fall included many different nations and tribes. As tribes intermingled, became allied or split up as they poured into Europe, there came to be considerable overlap in terms such as "Germans," "Goths," and "Saxons." The term "Caucasian" became an overall term to describe all these tribes migrating into Europe through the Caucasus Mountain/Black Sea region.



Footnotes:
46.Turner, Sharon, The History of the Anglo-Saxons, pp. 100-101
47.Langenscheidt's German-English/English-German Dictionary, see word "Saxon" in English-German section, p. 510
48.Camden, William, Britannia, p. 129
49.Turner, Sharon, The History of the Anglo-Saxons, Vol. 1, pp. 31 and 34
50.Rawlinson, The Sixth Oriental Monarchy, pp. 187-189
51.Gawler, Colonel J.C., p. 6 (citing Sharon Turner's History Of The Anglo-Saxons, Vol. 1, p. 100)
52.R. H. Hodgkin, History of the Anglo-Saxons, p. 17
53.Church, Early Britain, pp. 80-82
54.Camden, Britannia, p. 141
55.Hodgkin, p. 36
56.Ibid, p.42
57.Fisher, DV., The Anglo-Saxon Age, p. 1
58.Turner, Vol. 1, p. 50
59.Hodgkin, pp. 24-27
60.Bradley, pp. 1, 7-8
61.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 10, Heading entitled: "Early History," p. 549
62.Ibid. p. 549
63.Ibid, p. 5
64.Ibid, p. 4
65.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 10, Heading entitled "Goths," Subhead: Gothic Language," pp. 551-552
66.Bradley, p. 5
67.Ibid, p. 5
68.Gawler, p. 9
69.Bradley, pp. 4-5
70. Hannay, Herbert, European and other Race Origins, p. 232
71.Ibid, p. 232
72.Herodotus, The History, 1, 125
73.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 17, Heading entitled "Persis," p. 611
74.Strabo, The Geography of Strabo, Vol. 7, 15. 2. 14
75.Ibid., Vol. 5, 12. 4. 3
76.Church, Alfred, Carthage, p. 269
77.Dilke, O.A.W., Greek and Roman Maps, p. 46 (citing Pliny, iv. 81)
78.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 19, Heading entitled "Sarmatae," p. 1001
79.Ibid., Vol. 13, Heading entitled, "Jutes," p. 217
80.Rawlinson, The Sixth Oriental Monarchy, p. 118
81.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 12, Heading entitled "Jat," p. 970
82.Collier's Encyclopedia, Vol. 11, Heading entitled "Jats," p. 356
83.Ibid., p. 357
84. Hannay, Herbert, European and other Race Origins, p. 233
85.Rawlinson, The Sixth Oriental Monarchy, p.291(see also footnote 2)
86.Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 1, Heading entitled "Alani," p. 496
87.Collier's Encyclopedia, Vol. 1, Heading entitled "Alani," p. 310

Interesting fact is, in Finnish language: Germans are called "Saksa". It is very close to "Sakha", the Sanskrit name of "Scythians". Lot of words of old Sanskrit are still used in Europe for e.g. "Pinaapple" is called "Ananas" in Europe. So it is possible in far off areas in Europe people still use old "Sanskrit words" which might have traveled through goods trade of people migration.

[maddhan1979]

A good artikel to read:

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/a...c_of_sakas.php

[maddhan1979]

http://timesofindia.speakingtree.in/...a-maurya/39890

[urmiladuhan]

If u you are a warrior and your ancestors have been warriors through out ages, you will eat, whatever u can get from the land because during a war time u do not have time to cook food or even search for food. So living off the land is the best. The writer of the above document tells about "Jats" eating meat of different animals, this tells about the past of Jats.

Indians have been meat eaters from Harappan times (based on archaeological evidence ).

[urmiladuhan]

It is in Spanish I believe that teeth are called 'dant' (similar to दंत of Sanskrit).

Interesting fact is, in Finnish language: Germans are called "Saksa". It is very close to "Sakha", the Sanskrit name of "Scythians". Lot of words of old Sanskrit are still used in Europe for e.g. "Pinaapple" is called "Ananas" in Europe. So it is possible in far off areas in Europe people still use old "Sanskrit words" which might have traveled through goods trade of people migration.

[maddhan1979]

Good Artikel:

http://www.sino-platonic.org/abstrac...127_getes.html

[DrRajpalSingh]

Indians have been meat eaters from Harappan times (based on archaeological evidence ).

Seems to be true for some people belonging to that period; but to cement argument kindly supplement it with source, if you can.

Thanks

[urmiladuhan]

Dr. Bisht, an expert on Harappa Civilization, who also excavated Dholavira, mentioned it in one of his lectures this information.

Seems to be true for some people belonging to that period; but to cement argument kindly supplement it with source, if you can.

Thanks

[urmiladuhan]

Here is a photo of the sculpture of Kushana King, Wima Takshama (hindi pronounciation), found at Mathura (now housed in State Museum). It is dated to Kushana period of 2nd B.C.E. A script is found on the floor of the throne that identifies the king as Kushana. The english translation of the wordings is also attached as photo.

Hello,
I propose to start a thread. The main purpose of this thread is to accumulate online documents which contain old information in the form of research, articles, pictures, etc., or any other kind of information that can contribute to present information about old north western Bharat tribes, their lifestyle, etc. Anyone can post this information in the form of hyperlinks to documents, pictures, information of any available documents in libraries through out the world and in India. It will also be nice if someone takes a picture of the document that are lying in libraries or other information centers, so that these can not be displaced or missed from the records.

[rajpaldular]

One of the major city that connects "Jats and Scythians" is "Sialkot in Pakistan".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sialkot

Sialkot was ruled by a Jat king.

Great Job Mr. Maddhan. Welldone.

[maddhan1979]

Here is a photo of the sculpture of Kushana King, Wima Takshama (hindi pronounciation), found at Mathura (now housed in State Museum). It is dated to Kushana period of 2nd B.C.E. A script is found on the floor of the throne that identifies the king as Kushana. The english translation of the wordings is also attached as photo.

This statue was a window into out past, knowing our ancestors.
I am not happy to see such a broken statue.

[urmiladuhan]

Perhaps it is best to give benefit of doubt for this sculpture is almost 2300 years old. Rarely do we see intact larger than life sculptures from that era. I shall shortly post close ups of the sculptures dress design, shoe design etc. they are very smart items.

This statue was a window into out past, knowing our ancestors.
I am not happy to see such a broken statue.

[urmiladuhan]

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[urmiladuhan]

Is it true that Wima is not a common name among Jats? Why do people not commonly name their boys, Wima, especially the Jats, if their ancestors were indeed the Kushans?

Here is a photo of the sculpture of Kushana King, Wima Takshama (hindi pronounciation), found at Mathura (now housed in State Museum). It is dated to Kushana period of 2nd B.C.E. A script is found on the floor of the throne that identifies the king as Kushana. The english translation of the wordings is also attached as photo.

[mhundpuriamann]

Is it true that Wima is not a common name among Jats? Why do people not commonly name their boys, Wima, especially the Jats, if their ancestors were indeed the Kushans?

"wima" jat name? :-) , A english historian is there (Michael Wood)
He tried to tell Indian history in a brief but logical manner.
Just download from youtube. ("Story of India" by Michael Wood)
In this he is clearly explaining from 70 thosand years back to the Indian freedom struggle.

Kushan empire came in existence because of "silk route", and these people (kushans and party) came from south china side.
They got settled in present day peshawar fiirst then moved their capital to mathura.

[urmiladuhan]

....................l.

[urmiladuhan]

If Kushans came from south china, as you say, then they should have Mongolian features. However, kushana coins show them with a long, prominent nose and wide eyes I.e., non Mongolian features.

"wima" jat name? :-) , A english historian is there (Michael Wood)
He tried to tell Indian history in a brief but logical manner.
Just download from youtube. ("Story of India" by Michael Wood)
In this he is clearly explaining from 70 thosand years back to the Indian freedom struggle.

Kushan empire came in existence because of "silk route", and these people (kushans and party) came from south china side.


They got settled in present day peshawar fiirst then moved their capital to mathura.

[urmiladuhan]

Here is a link for kushana coin showing kanishka. His nose is so prominent!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sho_(letter)

If Kushans came from south china, as you say, then they should have Mongolian features. However, kushana coins show them with a long, prominent nose and wide eyes I.e., non Mongolian features.