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    Understanding History

    The term 'History' is used frequently but what is its meaning, is not understood easily.

    In this discussion an effort would be made to make its meaning clear and comprehensively

    cover all aspects necessary to understand the way historical events are perceived and history is written.

    Kindly join discussion !
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    History is a branch of knowledge that deals with past events, the formal record or study of past events especially human affairs.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    History is a branch of knowledge that deals with past events, the formal record or study of past events especially human affairs.


    History is the philosophy of transitoriness. All its assertions are relative to time and place. All its postulates have reference to particular situations and circumstances. Therefore, it is one’s duty to penetrate through the superficial connotation of passing character to the profound significance of enduring nature.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    The study of History is essential to any country and any person

    to understand one's own development process.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Names of History in various languages :

    Istoria [Greek],

    Historia [Latin],

    Histoire [French],

    History [English],

    Geschichite [German],

    Tarikh [Arabic], and,

    Itihas [Sanskrit].
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Names of History in various languages :

    Istoria [Greek],

    Historia [Latin],

    Histoire [French],

    History [English],

    Geschichite [German],

    Tarikh [Arabic], and,

    Itihas [Sanskrit].
    There are various conceptions as regards the definition such as history is a record of the past events, history is knowledge, history is science, and a few persons even perceive that history is not a worthy subject of study.

    Nonetheless, history shows that at the same time, it is humanistic, consists of events, concerned with change, time and place oriented, scientific and an independent branch of study.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    History is a record of past of human experiences that links the past to the present and the future.

    It gives ideas on chronological framework for organising historical thought and places significant ideas,

    institutions,people and events within the time frame.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    History is a record of past of human experiences that links the past to the present and the future.

    It gives ideas on chronological framework for organising historical thought and places significant ideas,

    institutions,people and events within the time frame.
    which are the veriable and constent fectors in history?
    :rockwhen you found a key to success,some ideot change the lock,*******BREAK THE DOOR.
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    The subject matter of history is reflected in the human experiences of the past and promotes a better understanding of the present. Therefore, historical writing is based upon inquiry into available and accessible sources upon scientific analysis of the facts. In a bid to present the facts as they are, the historian analyses the available facts and also provides an analysis or interpretation of the facts. But he has to to perform the role of an honest judge while writing his findings as there is no scope of universal acceptance for subjective writing. Hence, objective history based on facts.

    Thanks
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    History is not pure science but comes under the domain of Social Sciences that deals with the social and cultural aspects of human behaviour through the ages.

    It has some features of both a science and an art, that is why it is known as social science.

    It is science to the extent that it employs scientific methods of enquiry to seek the truth; and,

    it is an art with regard to the subject treatment, method of composition and intellectual utility.

    There is a misconception which arises due to over stressing on the non-utility value of the history as compared with the pure sciences.


    Thanks.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    History presents a picture of the march of human beings from time immemorial

    and

    the development of multi-faceted activity of human society.

    History is a record of human experiences that links the past to the present and the future.

    Thanks.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Historian belongs not to the past but to the present.


    ----------E.H. Carr, What is History.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Here is something that I would like to share. The connections beyond South Asia and how we should look at the links of the past. Toponymy is one important discipline that tells a lot about the origin of name of a place. I have come across numerous places named Dhaka ranging from Afghanistan to Bangladesh. Russians were good explorers in this discipline here is one interesting piece of article.
    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...ToponymsEn.htm

    best wishes,
    Ambrish Dhaka
    Keep a bigger heart than than what you had yesterday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Historian belongs not to the past but to the present.


    ----------E.H. Carr, What is History.
    The two threads may kindly be considered for merging in one at one forum to smoothen the discussion.

    For earlier part of discussion on the issue, see : Let us Discuss What is History

    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambijat View Post
    .....I have come across numerous places named Dhaka ranging from Afghanistan to Bangladesh. Russians were good explorers in this discipline here is one interesting piece of article.
    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...ToponymsEn.htm

    best wishes,
    Ambrish Dhaka
    Ambrishji, where is Dhaka in the link provided by you. Can you reproduce here. Though going through the content I found Barda of Turkish origin.
    Laxman Burdak

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    This article is not about the toponymy of Dhaka. I suggested it to make case for pluralism in Central Asia existed right since earliest times, so to tell that any monolithic model of community origin should be expanded in favour of pluralistic origin of Jats.
    References are village Kam-i-Dhaka in Lalpur district, nearly 15 kilometers ahead of Khyber Pass into Afghanistan. Then Pakistan has few, though I am not in exact knowledge of it. In India, one is in Ludhiana, another one in north delhi, not to speak many of them in western UP and Rajasthan. There is one in BIhar and the easternmost one is in Bangladesh.
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    Also you might have not noticed that the author while giving the hermeneutics of the word Turk refers that -k as suffix is used to denote plural form of the word Tur. So, if you can invoke that argument for Barda, then Bardak becomes plural of Barda which is far closer to Burdak.
    :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravinderjeet View Post
    which are the veriable and constent fectors in history?
    Bhai Ravinderjeet Singh Balhara,

    History is a branch of social sciences and keeps on revising earlier conclusions inserting

    newer findings based on newer sources and giving newest interpretation to the earlier

    records in the light of the progress of knowledge and to keep it updated for understanding

    the past and planning for the future. Now you can yourself deduct what is what in history!


    Further, Though history does not fall in the category of pure sciences yet

    science contributes in a big way to make understanding of history in a better way.

    Certain misunderstanding regarding dating of old remains of flora and fauna,

    buildings and monuments, pieces of art and artifacts or the type of metal used,

    ratio of different metals used, type of colour used in painting a picture etc.

    have been successfully removed with the use of innovative techniques of science.

    To remove the deficiency faced by C14 [carbon dating] system, the latest scientific

    Technique known as PARTICLE INDUCED X-RAY EMISSION [PIXE] has emerged.

    This technique is widely used technique in Archaeology, biology, geology and environmental

    sciences.

    Thanks and regards
    Last edited by DrRajpalSingh; May 3rd, 2013 at 09:21 PM.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Bhai Ravinderjeet Singh Balhara,

    Though history does not fall in the category of pure sciences yet

    science contributes in a big way to make understanding of history in a better way.

    Certain misunderstanding regarding dating of old remains of flora and fauna,

    buildings and monuments, pieces of art and artifacts or the type of metal used,

    ratio of different metals used, type of colour used in painting a picture etc.

    have been successfully removed with the use of innovative techniques of science.

    To remove the deficiency faced by C14 [carbon dating] system, the latest scientific

    Technique known as PARTICLE INDUCED X-RAY EMISSION [PIXE] has emerged.

    This technique is widely used technique in Archaeology, biology, geology and environmental

    sciences.

    Great, i hope science keeps on opening new doors in and for past, present and future.

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    To remove the deficiency of accuracy in fixing the dates of old remains faced by C14

    [carbon dating] system, the latest scientific
    technique known as PARTICLE INDUCED X-RAY EMISSION [PIXE]
    has emerged.

    For example, if one applies PIXE to analyse the pre-historic times coins, it will help in determining the metal

    content[type of metal present in the coin] and the contents of metal proportions used in minting the coin.

    In the same way, painting analysis is also successfully carried out by application of PIXE i.e. to determine the type

    of colour, pigments used at the creation of the painting and depth profile colour.

    No wonder, it is also used in detection of faint letters in historically important books [Manuscripts].

    Hence history writing is immensely using progress of pure sciences discoveries to make their findings/

    conclusions as much fact based as possible.

    But this must not be taken to mean that History has become a branch of pure/applied/natural science;

    fact of the matter is history is related with study of man and remains in the realm of social science, art and humanities.


    Thanks and regards.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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