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Thread: Sources of Indian History--revisited

  1. #81
    The world over, the accepted method adopted to use traditions is that such evidences are accepted after verifying the same from other sources carefully. Thus subjectivity is reduced as much as possible.


    The same applies to Ancient Indian Historical sources. Indologists/Historians make use of epics or other tradition related literary sources containing traditions after comparing and contrasting them with other accessible and available sources.
    Last edited by DrRajpalSingh; August 14th, 2013 at 08:39 AM.
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  3. #82
    I tried searching for a Kushana related thread on the site but found them 'locked'. So, I am posting in this general thread.

    Regarding Kushana coins, I have noticed that the images of men on them possess quite prominent noses. Good looking people, I must say.

    Regards,

    Urmila.

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  5. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by urmiladuhan View Post
    I tried searching for a Kushana related thread on the site but found them 'locked'. So, I am posting in this general thread.

    Regarding Kushana coins, I have noticed that the images of men on them possess quite prominent noses. Good looking people, I must say.

    Regards,

    Urmila.
    Good. Kindly share more observations.

    The coins of the Kushanas are found in abundance and they throw open many a dark corners of our ancient history. As the topic of the thread is sources of Indian History, you are welcome to contribute on this thread. Several numismatists have studied ancient coins to reconstruct our past history.

    Readers are welcome to share their views on any aspect of numismatic study here.

    Thanks and regards,
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  6. #84
    More observations! O.k.

    On some coins the Kushana riding an elephant is kind of bigger than the elephant itself! It perhaps speaks of the confidence they had in their own power and size

    Almost all kushana coins have a 4 pronged stand/altar besides the standing/sitting Kushana. I wonder what it stands for.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Good. Kindly share more observations.

    The coins of the Kushanas are found in abundance and they throw open many a dark corners of our ancient history. As the topic of the thread is sources of Indian History, you are welcome to contribute on this thread. Several numismatists have studied ancient coins to reconstruct our past history.

    Readers are welcome to share their views on any aspect of numismatic study here.

    Thanks and regards,
    Last edited by urmiladuhan; August 27th, 2013 at 07:38 PM.

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  8. #85
    http://timesofindia.speakingtree.in/...shatriya/36984

    Funny article, making almost every character of the novel mahabharatha as Brahmin.

    I still wonder, what's the point in bramhmanising in a fictitious novel.

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  10. #86
    Perhaps written by a Brahmin.

    Quote Originally Posted by ssgoyat View Post
    http://timesofindia.speakingtree.in/...shatriya/36984

    Funny article, making almost every character of the novel mahabharatha as Brahmin.

    I still wonder, what's the point in bramhmanising in a fictitious novel.
    Attention seekers and attention getters are two different class of people.

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  12. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by urmiladuhan View Post
    Perhaps written by a Brahmin.

    This is a blog by Vivek Kumar and comments on it have appeared at the bottom from cross section of readers.

    But it is not a source of history, but a comment on some aspect of history as revealed from Epic Mahabharata.

    So readers must read and enjoy it as a blog posted; nothing more nor less.

    Thanks and regards
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  14. #88
    Accidently happened to find an interesting book titled "The Open Secret of India, Israel and Mexico; from Genesis to Revelations!"

    http://books.google.com/books?id=lxj...20rama&f=false

    Author tends to prove Hindu and Turkic origin of vast population on Earth. very interesting observations.

    Another book by the same author puts whole history on its head;

    http://books.google.com/books?id=esL...haryut&f=false


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    Last edited by rkumar; October 2nd, 2013 at 05:47 AM.
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  16. #89
    Thanks Kumarji for locating the interesting books on the topic.

    Hope that readers would be immensely benefitted with this latest

    addition to the existing knowledge of the topic under reference.

    Regards.
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  18. #90
    Minor clarification:

    This is to say that the word 'source' is used in the context of data/information and it generally consists of two categories i.e.

    primary sources and secondary sources. Some people inadvertently use its alternate as resource which is not correct.

    Thanks
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  20. #91
    The Haryana Archaeology Department has seized 151 gold and 120 silver coins dating back to Mughal period.....

    for full report log in www.tribuneindia.com The Tribune, Chandigarh, Saturday October 26, 2013, p.4
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  21. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    The Haryana Archaeology Department has seized 151 gold and 120 silver coins dating back to Mughal period.....

    for full report log in www.tribuneindia.com The Tribune, Chandigarh, Saturday October 26, 2013, p.4
    With due acknowledgement to the Tribune, report is produced here in under:

    Mughal era gold, silver coins seized from farm labourer
    Tribune News Service
    Hisar, October 25
    The Haryana Archaeology Department has seized 151 gold and 120 silver coins dating back to Mughal period from a farm labourer at Bhata village in the district.
    Sajjan Kumar stumbled upon the treasure trove while ploughing a field at Akanwali village of Mansa district in Punjab about four months ago.
    The Hisar police had given the custody of the seized coins to the Zonal Museum of the state Archeological Department yesterday.
    Museum in charge SP Chalia said: “Each gold coin weights around 10 gram though the coins varied in sizes. The coins are made from pure 24 carat gold and are nearly 300 years old. The total weight of the seized coins is around 1.5 kg.”
    Chalia said the seized coins would be put on display in the museum after completion of the court formalities.
    A police official said the accused found the coins while levelling a field at Akanwali village earlier this year. One of his close friends got a whiff of it and informed the police.
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  23. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    With due acknowledgement to the Tribune, report is produced here in under:

    Mughal era gold, silver coins seized from farm labourer
    Tribune News Service
    Hisar, October 25
    The Haryana Archaeology Department has seized 151 gold and 120 silver coins dating back to Mughal period from a farm labourer at Bhata village in the district.
    Sajjan Kumar stumbled upon the treasure trove while ploughing a field at Akanwali village of Mansa district in Punjab about four months ago.
    The Hisar police had given the custody of the seized coins to the Zonal Museum of the state Archeological Department yesterday.
    Museum in charge SP Chalia said: “Each gold coin weights around 10 gram though the coins varied in sizes. The coins are made from pure 24 carat gold and are nearly 300 years old. The total weight of the seized coins is around 1.5 kg.”
    Chalia said the seized coins would be put on display in the museum after completion of the court formalities.
    A police official said the accused found the coins while levelling a field at Akanwali village earlier this year. One of his close friends got a whiff of it and informed the police.
    Not much of a friend, was he?!
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  25. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by urmiladuhan View Post
    Not much of a friend, was he?!
    Whatever he were to him, he is undoubtedly real friend of those who are collecting sources of Indian history.

    So he deserves kudos !
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  27. #95
    Thanks sir, book marked...for later reading ...

    Quote Originally Posted by rkumar View Post
    Accidently happened to find an interesting book titled "The Open Secret of India, Israel and Mexico; from Genesis to Revelations!"

    http://books.google.com/books?id=lxj...20rama&f=false

    Author tends to prove Hindu and Turkic origin of vast population on Earth. very interesting observations.

    Another book by the same author puts whole history on its head;

    http://books.google.com/books?id=esL...haryut&f=false


    RK^2

  28. #96
    Shakhas and Ahallas, sung by traditional singers, also provide a clue/hint to the past events in history and extend help in pointing direction to the researchers to glean more authentic data to substantiate or refute this oral tradition of keeping history of the past alive.
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  29. #97
    They can be used as a SECONDARY but UNRELIABLE sources, how can they be used as PRIMARY and AUTHENTIC data in the SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY as they wont pass the VALIDITY and RELIABILITY test, as these are glorified poems with mix of historical facts, myth and distortion to appease, etc and all of which are hard it differentiate from each other. I agree the ORAL TRADITION i.e. oral history recorded in the human memory must be documented and researched but caution must be exercised before considering it as scientific source.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Shakhas and Ahallas, sung by traditional singers, also provide a clue/hint to the past events in history and extend help in pointing direction to the researchers to glean more authentic data to substantiate or refute this oral tradition of keeping history of the past alive.

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  31. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by vdhillon View Post
    They can be used as a SECONDARY but UNRELIABLE sources, how can they be used as PRIMARY and AUTHENTIC data in the SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY as they wont pass the VALIDITY and RELIABILITY test, as these are glorified poems with mix of historical facts, myth and distortion to appease, etc and all of which are hard it differentiate from each other. I agree the ORAL TRADITION i.e. oral history recorded in the human memory must be documented and researched but caution must be exercised before considering it as scientific source.
    Friend

    Elaborate explanation of these important sources and their use.

    Thanks,
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