A Fistful Gaddar Jats

[upendersingh]

If some of the Jatland members' mindset is a indication, then it seems some Jats (though they are fistful) are dying to be traitor and doing something which can bring a bad name to the community. Jats (specially Hindu Jats) are supposed to be pride of India and they are not supposed to be traitor like Yadavs (pro Muslims) and Rajputs (Jaichands). It is very sad that some so called Jats' messiahs are trying to play fool with the Jats misguiding them. Some try to misguide the Jats saying in some book Jats are mentioned as 'Shudras', while it is quite false. No one talks about that Jats are mentioned as 'Jat ji' or 'Jat devta' in same book. Some say Jats don't have any religion. To have a religion just means that we have a association which will help us in bad time. A religion unites.
If Jats don't have any religion, then why do they use other religion's customs, names, festivities and many more things? Do such fistful gaddars want to say Jats are thankless people? They will avail the various qualities of a particular religion, but they don't accept they belong to that religion.
We the real Jats need to understand the ill intentions and rotten mind of such people. Others views are welcome.

[vicky84]

they are not supposed to be traitor like Yadavs (pro Muslims) and Rajputs (Jaichands). It is very sad that some so called Jats' messiahs are trying to play fool with the Jats misguiding them.

Uppu kya Muslim Jaat nahi hain. Merko lagta hai ki tera mind wash ho chuka hai jhoothe Hindu propaganda se. Aisa lagta hai ki tu ab andha ho chuka hai. Sadiyon se Hindu aur Muslim saath rahe hain. Aur Pak/Bangladesh koi doosre desh nahi hain. Ye sabhi Hindustan hi hain.

To kripya karke ye faaltu ke propaganda ka shikar na hoyein. Humme aisi sankeern mansikta nahi rakhni chahiye aur apni buddhi ka istemaal karna chahiye.

[DrRajpalSingh]

If some of the Jatland members' mindset is a indication, then it seems some Jats (though they are fistful) are dying to be traitor and doing something which can bring a bad name to the community. Jats (specially Hindu Jats) are supposed to be pride of India and they are not supposed to be traitor like Yadavs (pro Muslims) and Rajputs (Jaichands). It is very sad that some so called Jats' messiahs are trying to play fool with the Jats misguiding them. Some try to misguide the Jats saying in some book Jats are mentioned as 'Shudras', while it is quite false. No one talks about that Jats are mentioned as 'Jat ji' or 'Jat devta' in same book. Some say Jats don't have any religion. To have a religion just means that we have a association which will help us in bad time. A religion unites.
If Jats don't have any religion, then why do they use other religion's customs, names, festivities and many more things? Do such fistful gaddars want to say Jats are thankless people? They will avail the various qualities of a particular religion, but they don't accept they belong to that religion.
We the real Jats need to understand the ill intentions and rotten mind of such people. Others views are welcome.

A Jat is Jat and kinship bonds know no boundaries.

None among the Jats or any other community alleges 'Jats' to be traitors hence contribute to generate and maintain communal harmony in the country by remaining calm and composed.

[rekhasmriti]

OMG .......GADDAR ........TRAITOR

In so many threads Jats are this n that from warriors to gods-------bas ek iss cheez ki kami reh gayee thi .

[Samarkadian]

If some of the Jatland members' mindset is a indication, then it seems some Jats (though they are fistful) are dying to be traitor and doing something which can bring a bad name to the community. Jats (specially Hindu Jats) are supposed to be pride of India and they are not supposed to be traitor like Yadavs (pro Muslims) and Rajputs (Jaichands). It is very sad that some so called Jats' messiahs are trying to play fool with the Jats misguiding them. Some try to misguide the Jats saying in some book Jats are mentioned as 'Shudras', while it is quite false. No one talks about that Jats are mentioned as 'Jat ji' or 'Jat devta' in same book. Some say Jats don't have any religion. To have a religion just means that we have a association which will help us in bad time. A religion unites.
If Jats don't have any religion, then why do they use other religion's customs, names, festivities and many more things? Do such fistful gaddars want to say Jats are thankless people? They will avail the various qualities of a particular religion, but they don't accept they belong to that religion.
We the real Jats need to understand the ill intentions and rotten mind of such people. Others views are welcome.

ओह छोरे आंडी!! शूरवीर हिंदू हृदय सम्राट महा नायक ''असली जाट'' उपेंदर भाई , मेरा नाम लिख देता , मै क्या बुरा मानू था !

एक दूसरे थ्रेड में तो तुम फूल कुमार का तप पुछ रहे हो और कह रहे हो की -

@phoolkumar

अरै भाई न्यू बूझी थी अक आपनै भी करया है कोई तप अपनी जिंदगी मैं…अक वो ही सौद्दा हो रह्या है अक एक बीमार आदमी दूसरों नै स्वस्थ रहण के टिप्स दे रह्या है…

अब बताओ तुमने कोनसा हिंदू धर्म या हिंदू जाटो की शान में चार चाँद लगा दिए जो यहाँ महात्मा बन कर मुझे या किसी और गद्दार बता रहे ?

[cooljat]

That was too harsh Upender Bhai.

Nevertheless, I wonder why few one here deny the fact we are 'Hindu' Jats. I admit Jats always been Pragmatic, Hardworking, Rebellious clan but still we are Hindus .. not religious though.

Very few Jats do daily 'Puja' or sculpture worship but still we are worshiper of 'Hanuman' and 'Lord Shiva' which are symbol of strength and rebelism, ain't we?

We generally follow Hinduism customs from birth to death, we celebrate Hinduism festivals like Diwali, Holi, Sankranti etc then why don't we admit we are Hindus. Don't we use 'Ram-Ram' to greet each other? Isn't Ram a Hindu God?

I believe Hinduism is more tolerant n' liberal religion. It's not at all strict like Islam and Sikhism. You publicly condem or discard hindu rituals and nobody will care whereas if you do the same with Islam, you know the result.

I state I'm Hindu Jat, not ritual but spiritual. I seldom visit to Mandirs, perhaps not more than Dargah, Church or Gurudwara. I don't remember when I last lit 'Agarbati' in front of god or did some 'Puja'. But still I admire Hinduism and find it more spiritual n' peaceful.

You agree to disagree but fact is fact!

Cheers
Jit

[RavinderSura]

हिन्दू कहते हैं की पहले हमारा धर्म सनातन धर्म था , जब सनातन धर्म था तो फिर इस नए हिन्दू नामकरण की क्या जरूरत पड़ गई थी ?
कुछ का मानना हैं की मुसलमान लोग 'स' को 'ह' बोलते हैं इसलिए सिंधु के आस पास रहने वालों को लोग हिन्दू बोलते थे , इस कारण हिन्दू नाम पड़ा | माना की सिंधु इलाके वालों को हिन्दू नाम मिला फिर यह सारा देश हिन्दू कैसे कहलाने लगा ?
शिव , राम , हनुमान ने कब कहा की वो लोग हिन्दू हैं ? अपने आप को हिन्दू कहने वाले लोगो ने इन्हे कब और कैसे गोद लिया ?

लोग तर्क देते हैं की दूसरे धर्मो के मुक़ाबले हिन्दू धर्म लचीला हैं , बिलकुल हैं क्योंकि असल मे यह धर्म एक जुगाड़ हैं , 33 करोड़ तरह तरह की शक्ल वाले देवी देवता गोद ले रखे हैं लोगो को डराने के लिए , इस धर्म की मान्यताओ रीति रिवाजो मे पूरे देश मे तो क्या एक गाँव से दूसरे गाँव मे भी समानता नहीं हैं | जुगाड़ ज्यादा दिन नहीं चलता और यही कारण हैं की यह सदियों से पतन की ओर हैं |

बड़ा ताज्जुब होता हैं उपेंद्र जैसे भाइयों को इस धर्म के खात्मे को लेकर चिंतित होते देख | धर्म को लोग भगवान से जोड़ कर देखते हैं , कमाल हैं 33 करोड़ देवी देवता होने के बावजूद भी आज लोग इसे बचाने मे लगे हैं लगता हैं 33 करोड़ देवी देवताओ के चमत्कार की करामात खत्म हो गई हैं इसलिए अब आम इंसान को उनके लिए लड़ना पड़ रहा हैं | और इन देवी देवताओ की दरबारी सरदारी के लिए यह लड़ाई आज कोई नई नहीं हैं सदियों से चली आ रही हैं बेचारा इंसान इन देवी देवताओ की इज्जत बचाने के लिए क्या क्या नहीं कर रहा , लोग इनकी जी हजूरी जारी रखे इसके लिए बेचारों ने इस धर्म के नाम तक़ बदल डाले पर ये देवी देवता आज तक खुद कभी आगे नहीं आए अपनी सरकार और दरबार बचाने , कोई स्वर्ग मे अप्सरा नचा रहा हैं तो कोई बीच समुन्द्र मे नाग की छाती पर आराम फरमा रहा हैं |

[sivach]

उपेन्द्र जी,

यदि किसी जाट भाई के अपनी कौम की किसी मान्यता पर, रीति रिवाज पर या धार्मिक मान्यताओ पर कुछ भिन्न विचार या कुछ सवाल है तो वो किसी तरह से बदनामी वाली बात हुयी या वो गद्दार हो गया ? हम लोग अपनी बात अपने लोगो के बीच नहीं कहेंगे तो क्या बाहर वालो के बीच कहेंगे? हम जाटो की असली बिमारी ही ये है कि ज्यादातर अपने आप ने चौधरी माने बैठे है और अपने ते बत्ती अक्लमंद किसी को मानते नहीं| किस धर्म में लिखा है कि औरतो को दोयम दर्जे का मानो? पर ज्यादातर जाट यही कर रहे है तब तो तकलीफ ना होती आप जैसे चौधरियों ने? जाटो की हर गली मोहल्ले में मिल जागा अपनी घरवाली पे लट्ठ बजाता हुआ और दो चार मुंडासे/पगड़ी आले हुक्के पे बैठ के तारीफ करते पावेंगे उसकी, बढ़िया करा सूंत(पीट) दी घणी ही अकड में रह थी, अर पल्ला भी माडा सा ही करे थी| इस तरह के कामो ते तो कौम का नाम बदनाम ना होता?

किसी के जाट देवता या जाट जी लिख देने या कह देने भर से जाट महान हो जाते है क्या? क्या social मीडिया पर "जाट चाल्ले तो धरती हाल्ले" जैसी हजारों बाते लिखने देने से जाट कौम महान हो जाती है? कर्मो और विचारों से महानता सिद्ध होती है | असली को नकली से इतना बड़ा खतरा क्यूँ लग रा है सोचने की बात ?

If some of the Jatland members' mindset is a indication, then it seems some Jats (though they are fistful) are dying to be traitor and doing something which can bring a bad name to the community. Jats (specially Hindu Jats) are supposed to be pride of India and they are not supposed to be traitor like Yadavs (pro Muslims) and Rajputs (Jaichands). It is very sad that some so called Jats' messiahs are trying to play fool with the Jats misguiding them. Some try to misguide the Jats saying in some book Jats are mentioned as 'Shudras', while it is quite false. No one talks about that Jats are mentioned as 'Jat ji' or 'Jat devta' in same book. Some say Jats don't have any religion. To have a religion just means that we have a association which will help us in bad time. A religion unites.
If Jats don't have any religion, then why do they use other religion's customs, names, festivities and many more things? Do such fistful gaddars want to say Jats are thankless people? They will avail the various qualities of a particular religion, but they don't accept they belong to that religion.
We the real Jats need to understand the ill intentions and rotten mind of such people. Others views are welcome.

[sivach]

ये एक धागे "Why spurt in rape cases?" की एक पोस्टहै | लिंक और पोस्ट दोनों नीचे दिए गए है आप सब के अवलोकनार्थ|

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...l=1#post337177

If we get life only once, then what's wrong in it to go for maximum pleasure. Able people can buy the best women, but what about the 'have nots'. They will try to grab forcefully. Please someone prove to me also that we get life only once, I will also try to enjoy some 15-16 year old pieces howsoever. Mostly people say they are sure deeds matter nothing. If you do good deeds then no avail, result of life will be same. If you do bad deeds, then too result of life will be same.

[VirJ]

हिन्दू एक धर्म नहीं हे एक सभ्यता हे और हर प्राचीन सभ्यता में इंसान प्रकर्ति को अलग अलग रूप में पूजता था. जैसे की अरब लोग और ग्रीक लोग. उन लोगों ने अपनी सभ्यता छोड़ के अलग अलग धरम अपना लिए जैसे इस्लाम और ईसाई ध्रम.सभ्यता किसी एक किताब या आदमी का अनुसरण नहीं करती जैसे की धर्म करता हे इसलिए वो हर जगह एक सी नहीं रहती। हिन्दू सबद की उत्पति कहीं से भी हुई हो पर आज जिसे हम हिन्दू सभ्यता कहते हे में उसका एक हिस्सा हूँ और मुझे इसपर गर्व हे।
करम कांड पाठ पूजा भी इसी सभ्यता का एक हिस्सा हे और ये चीजें हर सभ्यता में मिल जाएगी। कुछ लोग इसका अनुसरण करते हे कुछ नहीं। बाकि एक भगवन को पूजो या ३३ हज़ार को न उस एक को किसे ने देखा न ३३ हज़ार को। अगर वो एक सच हे तो ३३ हज़ार भी सच हे

[ravinderjeet]

पहलम ते भाम्नां ने जाट शाशक राजपूत बणा के ने राजस्थान में जाट छित्वाये ,फेर भाप्प्याँ ने सीखी (शिख ) में जाट बहका के ने आपनी रक्ष्क्षा करवा ली आर फेर एक बे जट्टां में फुट गेर दी । इब्ब इन की बहकाई में ये ना आंदे फेर बचे-खुचे जट्टां ने बहकान लागगे । ये भामण ,बानिये जट्टां की भेयाँ / बढेरे पे कोणी आंदे माथा टेकण आर थारे बर्गे इनके भीख के अड्डे (मंदिर) में जावें रोज । आपणी गाढी कमाई की दोलत इन् भिखारियाँ की भेंट चढ़ावें रोज । इब्ब तेरे बर्गे ने देख ले जो आपने आप ने जाट कहवे स आर इन् भाम्नां के चक्कर में आपनी कौम ने गद्दार बतावे स । में ते भगवान् /अल्लाह /गॉड /ढीमका/ठीमका जो भी स ने मान्दा कोणी । जब ये मुसलमान इन् मंदिरां ने लूटन लागरे थे जब ये भामण अर ३ करोड़ देवी देवता आपणी इस्सी-तीशी कराण लागरे थे । जो मानस आज के दिन भी विशवास के नाम पे इन् मंदिरान में या मस्जिदान में या और किते भी जा के घंटी बजावे सें ,वे सब बेवकूफ अर डरपोक सें । जिन्न में आत्म विस्वास नहीं से वे सहारा टोहन्दे हांड्या करें । ---- सद भावनाओं सहित ।

[vicky84]

पहलम ते भाम्नां ने जाट शाशक राजपूत बणा के ने राजस्थान में जाट छित्वाये ,फेर भाप्प्याँ ने सीखी (शिख ) में जाट बहका के ने आपनी रक्ष्क्षा करवा ली आर फेर एक बे जट्टां में फुट गेर दी । इब्ब इन की बहकाई में ये ना आंदे फेर बचे-खुचे जट्टां ने बहकान लागगे । ये भामण ,बानिये जट्टां की भेयाँ / बढेरे पे कोणी आंदे माथा टेकण आर थारे बर्गे इनके भीख के अड्डे (मंदिर) में जावें रोज । आपणी गाढी कमाई की दोलत इन् भिखारियाँ की भेंट चढ़ावें रोज । इब्ब तेरे बर्गे ने देख ले जो आपने आप ने जाट कहवे स आर इन् भाम्नां के चक्कर में आपनी कौम ने गद्दार बतावे स । में ते भगवान् /अल्लाह /गॉड /ढीमका/ठीमका जो भी स ने मान्दा कोणी । जब ये मुसलमान इन् मंदिरां ने लूटन लागरे थे जब ये भामण अर ३ करोड़ देवी देवता आपणी इस्सी-तीशी कराण लागरे थे । जो मानस आज के दिन भी विशवास के नाम पे इन् मंदिरान में या मस्जिदान में या और किते भी जा के घंटी बजावे सें ,वे सब बेवकूफ अर डरपोक सें । जिन्न में आत्म विस्वास नहीं से वे सहारा टोहन्दे हांड्या करें । ---- सद भावनाओं सहित ।

Mere hisab se ek dum sahi baat!!

Issi sandarbh mei Bhagat ki kahi hui baat yahan chipka raha hoon:


Bhagat Singh began to question religious ideologies after witnessing the Hindu–Muslim riots that broke out after Gandhi disbanded the Non-Cooperation Movement. He did not understand how members of these two groups, initially united in fighting against the British, could be at each other's throats because of their religious differences.^[86] At this point, Bhagat Singh dropped his religious beliefs, since he believed religion hindered the revolutionaries' struggle for independence, and began studying the works of Bakunin, Lenin, Trotsky—all atheist revolutionaries.^[8

As per Bhagat Singh:

As regard the origin of God, my thought is that man created God in his imagination when he realised his weaknesses, limitations and shortcomings. In this way he got the courage to face all the trying circumstances and to meet all dangers that might occur in his life and also to restrain his outbursts in prosperity and affluence. God, with his whimsical laws and parental generosity was painted with variegated colours of imagination. He was used as a deterrent factor when his fury and his laws were repeatedly propagated so that man might not become a danger to society. He was the cry of the distressed soul for he was believed to stand as father and mother, sister and brother, brother and friend when in time of distress a man was left alone and helpless. He was Almighty and could do anything. The idea of God is helpful to a man in distress.

[mandeep333]

Mere hisab se ek dum sahi baat!!


As regard the origin of God, my thought is that man created God in his imagination when he realised his weaknesses, limitations and shortcomings. In this way he got the courage to face all the trying circumstances and to meet all dangers that might occur in his life and also to restrain his outbursts in prosperity and affluence. God, with his whimsical laws and parental generosity was painted with variegated colours of imagination. He was used as a deterrent factor when his fury and his laws were repeatedly propagated so that man might not become a danger to society. He was the cry of the distressed soul for he was believed to stand as father and mother, sister and brother, brother and friend when in time of distress a man was left alone and helpless. He was Almighty and could do anything. The idea of God is helpful to a man in distress.

A Fistful Gaddar Jats (By Mr. Upender Singh)
If some of the Jatland members' mindset is a indication, then it seems some Jats (though they are fistful) are dying to be traitor and doing something which can bring a bad name to the community. Jats (specially Hindu Jats) are supposed to be pride of India and they are not supposed to be traitor like Yadavs (pro Muslims) and Rajputs (Jaichands). It is very sad that some so called Jats' messiahs are trying to play fool with the Jats misguiding them. Some try to misguide the Jats saying in some book Jats are mentioned as 'Shudras', while it is quite false. No one talks about that Jats are mentioned as 'Jat ji' or 'Jat devta' in same book. Some say Jats don't have any religion. To have a religion just means that we have a association which will help us in bad time. A religion unites.
If Jats don't have any religion, then why do they use other religion's customs, names, festivities and many more things? Do such fistful gaddars want to say Jats are thankless people? They will avail the various qualities of a particular religion, but they don't accept they belong to that religion.
We the real Jats need to understand the ill intentions and rotten mind of such people. Others views are welcome.



Well, originally, this thread was put on this most favourite Jat-site inviting the attention of the fellow members of the Jatland to find out who was a traitor and who was not a traitor. Then the attention was drawn to the religion, customs, names and festivals, subcastes, and so on. Soon, this thread was caught by another respected member who believed that the thread was targeted towards him. Then it i.e. the thread moved towards the religion and religious beliefs. Gradually, immortal personalities like Sardar Bhagat Singh was quoted.


In the meanwhile, the discussion on religion and religious beliefs has started. One after the other, our esteemed fellow intellectuals are trying to prove that they are atheists and they challenge the existence of God. It is true that one may or may not believe in God. This is entirely a very personal matter until it encroaches upon the privacy of the others or forces others to believe what they believe.

For one thing: -

I don’t know how much a person feels happy or unhappy if he or she is born of Hindu parents. But one thing is for sure that once you born of Hindu parents in India, you are definitely going to be governed by the Hindu personal laws which affect in every sense a person’s inherited property and married life. However loudly we may clamour, our birth decides our fate and we don’t have any choice in this matter because our birth is not in our hands. So being an atheistical person born of Hindu parents, one does not have any legal support to go against the laws of the land specifically framed for the Hindus only. The irony of the matter is, there is no known law in India enacted for an atheist. There is not any constitutional uniform civil code in India. We are governed by either the Hindu laws or the Muslim laws or the Christian laws and so on.


Therefore, my dear friends, it’s no use in proclaiming, “I’m Hindu or I’m not a Hindu,” “I’m a Muslim or...” Dear friends, there are many other problems adversely affecting our society. We should therefore concentrate on such problems that can be sorted out.

[rinkusheoran]

We the real Jats need to understand the ill intentions and rotten mind of such people. Others views are welcome.

Mr Upender 'The Real Jat', First you understand the ill intentions and rotten mind of people who have brainwashed your mind. Apna dimag laga verna Jholwar netayon ki tarah nare lagata reh jayega.

[malikdeepak1]

उप्पे, भांग का असर कीमे कम होया अक नहीं भाई?

[desijat]

As regard the origin of God, my thought is that man created God in his imagination when he realised his weaknesses, limitations and shortcomings. In this way he got the courage to face all the trying circumstances and to meet all dangers that might occur in his life and also to restrain his outbursts in prosperity and affluence. God, with his whimsical laws and parental generosity was painted with variegated colours of imagination. He was used as a deterrent factor when his fury and his laws were repeatedly propagated so that man might not become a danger to society. He was the cry of the distressed soul for he was believed to stand as father and mother, sister and brother, brother and friend when in time of distress a man was left alone and helpless. He was Almighty and could do anything. The idea of God is helpful to a man in distress.

Look at this video - explains how every thing is interconnected.

[desijat]

My 2 cents:

Gods is a much needed fear to keep people away from doing wrong, to be fearful of bad that can happen and to keep them united. We might choose not to believe in it but there is some fear thats holds us from doing bad, some call it jesus, others call it by 33,000 different names.

As I heard somewhere, nothing makes this world more safe than 'fear'.

[Arvindc]

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Therefore, my dear friends, it’s no use in proclaiming, “I’m Hindu or I’m not a Hindu,” “I’m a Muslim or...” Dear friends, there are many other problems adversely affecting our society. We should therefore concentrate on such problems that can be sorted out.

Well said, the religion across the globe are dying as people are becoming aware to humanity and nature.

In India, it continues to be a tool for people for diverging the masses from the "real governance" issues.

[Arvindc]

My 2 cents:

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As I heard somewhere, nothing makes this world more safe than 'fear'.

Yeah, I have seen Advani Ji folding his hands in front Sonia Ji for "fear" of a drafted supreme court ruling. And the congress party's loot rule over 5 years by holding the horses by a "fear" rope called CBI.

The "fear" of God is almost dead however, still, "fear" hasn't been so omnipresent.

[upendersingh]

Uppu kya Muslim Jaat nahi hain. Merko lagta hai ki tera mind wash ho chuka hai jhoothe Hindu propaganda se. Aisa lagta hai ki tu ab andha ho chuka hai. Sadiyon se Hindu aur Muslim saath rahe hain. Aur Pak/Bangladesh koi doosre desh nahi hain. Ye sabhi Hindustan hi hain.

To kripya karke ye faaltu ke propaganda ka shikar na hoyein. Humme aisi sankeern mansikta nahi rakhni chahiye aur apni buddhi ka istemaal karna chahiye.

भाई, हिंदू-मुस्लिम वाली तो कोई बात नहीं की मैंने। हां, अगर मुस्लिम तुष्टिकरण से अभिप्राय है तो उसे तो अधिकतर लोग गलत बताएंगे। मुझे अगर किसी पेड़ से छाया, फल और ईंधन वगैरह प्राप्त हो रहे हैं तो मेरा फ़र्ज़ है कि मैं उस पेड़ के प्रति अपना सम्मान जाहिर करूं और उसकी सेवा करूं। कम से कम उसे कोई नुकसान पहुंचाने की कोशिश करे तो विरोध जताऊं। हिंदू धर्म मेरे लिए एक ऐसे ही वट वृक्ष की तरह है।