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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by ssgoyat View Post
    Mudde ki baat par aao

    Sonia ko jaatni maan ne wale aur banane walo:-
    Sonia ke jat hone par eitihasik shodh shuru karya ak nahi?

    Ke bera meri e bua likadi paave....
    coal block nahi, to petrol pump e khulva de
    Ha ha ha ha................
    Become more and more innocent, less knowledgeable and more childlike. Take life as fun - because that's precisely what it is!

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  3. #42

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    Hight of BULL$hit!! Seriously, it's hilarious but gross at the same time.

    Bhai, tu Reservation le le jamma lekin issi maadi baat karke Jaton ke naam aur ithihaas ki maati-paleet mat kare, pleaassse!!


    This is arguably the most non-sense bull$hit statement from so called well educated Jat, ever! God forbid!


    Quote Originally Posted by rinkusheoran View Post
    Pannu,Mere uncle aali baat to chhod n mudde ki baat kar. first of all i think you have not even read the artice written here otherwise you would not commented like a novice. The person who is asking for the reference even when they are already mentioned in the article and if someone if curious about the last para then i'm highlighting few lines for your refrence which might clear some of your doubts. Please read it thoroughly and tried to understand the intent. School mein comprehensive kia hoga sayad? Dont post just to make some brownies points and jisko maine bola(ygulia) hai uska to khud mame ka ladka sonia n uske manager k aagey hajiri marta hai.

    "जहां तक सोनिया गांधी की बात है, वह जरूर विदेशी मूल की महिला है, जिसने हमारे देश में शादी की है और आज हमारे देश की नागरिक हैं। वैसे ये मूल रूप से इटली देश की रहने वाली हैं। लेकिन जाटों को ये नहीं भूलना चाहिए कि सन् 408 में जाटों के एक महान आक्रांता अलारिक जाट ने इटली पर आक्रमण किया और सबसे पहले रोम शहर पर कब्जा करके पूरी इटली पर 143 साल तक जाटों ने शासन किया, जिसमें विशेष रूप से जाटों के कुल्लर(कुल्लड़) उदर और बल आदि गौत्रीय जाटों का योगदान था। इस पूरे इतिहास का वर्णन जोरडेन्ज इतिहासकार ने सन् 551 में अपने इतिहास में किया है। इसीलिए इस बात की प्रबल संभावना है कि सोनिया गांधी भी एक जट्ट पुत्री हो सकती है। इससे भी बढक़र सोनिया गांधी के निजी चरित्र पर आज तक कोई एक भी आरोप या ऊंगली नहीं उठ पाई है, जबकि इंदिरा गांधी पर इस प्रकार के कई बार इल्जाम लगे और उसके धीरेंद्र ब्रह्मचारी तथा उस समय के विदेश मंत्री दिनेश सिंह आदि से संबंधों के बारे में चर्चाएं होती रहीं। इससे सिद्ध होता है कि सोनिया गांधी एक चरित्रवान महिला हैं और इस प्रकार की दृढ़ स्वभाव की महिला जाटनी हो सकती है। इतिहास गवाह है कि कई जाटनियों ने विदेशों में भी राज किया(पुस्तक - दी जाट एंशियंट रूलर्स)। लेकिन इतना अवश्य है कि इनके पिता लूसियाना गांव के रहने वाले एक फौजी थे, जो बाद में जाटों की तरह प्रोपर्टी डीलर से बिल्डर बन गए, जिनका गौत्र मायनो है। जाटों के भी मैनी, मनु, मायना व मायनो गौत्र रहे हैं। बाकी सच्चाई का पता तो एक ऐतिहासिक शोध के बाद ही लगाया जा सकता है। मैं यह भी बतला दूं कि कोई भी व्यक्ति या मां-बाप अपने बच्चों, अपने जमाइयों, अपने सालों या अन्य रिश्तेदारों के क्रियाकलापों की गारंटी नहीं दे सकता है, जिस प्रकार चौ. नटवर सिंह की कोई भी गलती नहीं थी, लेकिन उन्हें नहीं पता कि उनका बेटा क्या कर रहा था।
    ये सब मेरा लिखने का अभिप्राय: यह है कि जब इस देश का पूरा ब्राह्मण समाज ग्यासुद्दीन गाजी के वंशजों को ब्राह्मण मानकर कई सालों तक उन्हें अपना प्रेम, सहयोग और समर्थन देता रहा है, तो जाटों को सोनिया गांधी को जाटनी मानकर पूरा सम्मान, प्रेम, सहयोग और समर्थन क्यों नहीं देना चाहिए? इसलिए जाट कौम को बड़ी चतुराई से अपना राजनीतिक भविष्य तलाशने की आवश्यकता है। किसी पार्टी का अंधभगत बनने से नहीं। इसके अतिरिक्त यदि सोनिया जाटों को केंद्र में आरक्षण दिलाती है, क्योंकि यूपीए की कमान इसी शक्तिशाली महिला के हाथ में है, जो जाटों को नि:संकोच चुनाव में सोनिया जी के हाथ मजबूत करने चाहिएं क्योंकि जाट कौम कमाकर खाने वाली, लेकर देने वाली तो है ही और कभी भी अहसानफरामोश नहीं रही। आज के जमाने में एक हाथ से लो और दूसरे हाथ से दो, के सिद्धांत को अपनाना चाहिए। मैं समझता हूं कि इसी में जाट कौम की भलाई और भविष्य है।
    जय जाट।"
    .. " Until Lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter! " ..



  4. #43
    सामन के अंधे कु हरा ही दिखे भाई

    Quote Originally Posted by vicky84 View Post
    Pannu munnai bera sai tera. Jatland bhi haare rang mai dekha kare tu
    सच्चे शब्दों में सच के अहसास लिखेंगे ...
    वक्त पढे जिसको कुछ इतना खास लिखेंगे...
    गीत गजल हम पर लिखेंगे लिखने वाले...
    हमने कलम उठाइ, तो इतिहास लिखेंगे...!!

  5. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by VPannu View Post
    Ygulia ka question legitimate hai bhai, हिमायत कोई गलत नहीं ली . Sonia ka surname Maino hai, or ye gotra jato me bhi hai, to iska matlab vo jat ka beej huyi? This is a ridiculous logic to go by. I appreciate him fighting for a right cause but you can't mislead people into something by making such inferences. If you want people to believe something, then be prepared to back it up too.
    If I were to vote, I'd choose INLD over Cong in Haryana without second thought. पर मैं चैलेंज करता हु की JL पे मेरी 5 पोस्ट ढूंढ ल्या जिसमे मनने INLD के गीत गाये हो, I will rest my case ar iski har doosri post me yahi milega.
    Pannu, go back and check the kind of questions Ygulia ask whenever there is any post for ch Hawasingh sangwanji. When i asked him 'khud bhi kuch kar le' that was purely intentional. Did he ask for which portion he was looking for reference or any other thing? Ygulia yahan sangwan sahab ki post pe jumale maarta hai sirf n viswas na ho to piche ki post dekh lena uski saari.he ask very vague questions.Question puchna hai to prashantcmet ki tarah pucho ya jyani ki tarah na ki naaj k bal.

    Secondly , i have not even talked about the content of the article even once in this thread. Author has said something and everyone is in their rights to question that. Vo jaatni h ya nhi mujhe uska pta nhi na hi aisa iss article se laga. Isme questions hain vo intellectuals members k saamne rakhein hain n let us people who has more knowledge about history prove it wrong or right.aur uper se ye bhi to likha hai ki sodh ka vishya hai to iska matlab kya hai itna to sayad sabko pta hai ya vo bhi batana padega?
    Last edited by rinkusheoran; June 21st, 2013 at 09:27 PM.
    Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
    Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai

  6. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    isse hi brahanwaad kahte hai..aadhi -adhuri jaankari ko tarod marod ke pesh karna ( kisi faayde ke liye ya aise hi.)..jo brahamano ne puran main kiya... aur usse likhkar pakka kar diya...aaj in purano ka hi hawal dete hai brahman aur aap hum jaise log usse galat kahte hai... ...agar yeh lekh jo sangwaan sahab ne likhi hai gaam main un logo ke pass jaaye jinhe history ka jyada kuch pata nahi ya research karne ke kam option hai..to we bus isse hi sach maan lenge...ab main aapko batata huin kaise..

    Agreed ki tod marod ki jaankari pesh karna brahmanwaad hai n history ka to mujhe bhi aap jitna nhi pta bhai and na hi maine isse pathar ki lakeer mana. ek sawaal h n uspe sochane mein kya buraai hai n what is wrong if it is JL? aur article mein likha bhi hai ki sodh ka vishay , dont you think that answer some of the questions?

    1. "Jat the ancient rulers" was written by Bhim singh dahiay ji..jo ki ek almost ek revolutionay work tha..but many of his findings are based on assumptions.. ..many thinsg are very controversial..

    ab aap thoda yeh padho...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_I

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massagatae

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans

    Sure, i ll read.

    2. jats have connection/or not with Gatae( scythians) , jutes, alans, or goths (alarik jat mentioned was a goth) or with all of them..this is very controversial and historains has different view on that...to agar sangwaan sahab ne alarik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_I
    ) ko seedhe jat bana hi diya to kam se kam yeh to likh hi sakte the ki wo ek goth tha aur juch historain Goth ko jaat maante hai...wo ek historain to hai nahi jo unke pass pramaan hain..ek book hi to padhi hai..yeh to wahi baat ho gayi jaise brahman ek puraan padhte hai aur kahte hai usme jo likha hai bas wahi sach hai...ab sangwaan saahb bhi bilkul aisa hi kar rahe hai...aur agar aadhi adhuri jaankari thi to histoy ko beech main lekar kyoun aaye..so how is it different from brahanwaad??

    I would suggest, give his suggestion directly to him or i ll convey the same when i ll meet him.

    3. ab sabse badi assumption..upper aale sab jugaad bhidakar wo sonia gandhi ko jaatni sidh karne pe utaaru hain..yeh aapko sensible lagta hai.??......aap logical baat karte ho maine dekha hai aaj tak..par yaha kya ho gaya..kya aap hi to wo andhe bahgat nahi ban rahe!!..aap khud bhi kuch kar liya karo (aapne yeh salaah beech main koodkar gulia ko di thi jabki wo writer se reference maang raha tha!!, kya sangwan sahb se pooche gaye har sawwl ka jawaab appne aur sura ji ne hi dena jaroori hai ..chahe pata ho ya na..)....aapne historical tathyo ka kitna adhyan kiya?.....kuch hadh tak cheeze theek hoti hai..par!!

    As i said above i have not talked about the content of article once and when i replied to ygulia that was purely intentional n i have not answered every question but the only to ygulia.

    4. agar sangwaan sahab sonia ko vote karana chahte hai to wo seedha kyoun nahi bolte ki agar wo reservation deti hai to subko vote do aur sab log ko yeh baat theek lagegei...kaan ko ghumakar kyoun pakda jaa reh hai..aap ko kya ab bhi nahi dikha ki brahanwaad haawi ho raha hai .......

    i reiterate "I would suggest, give his suggestion directly to him or i ll convey the same when i ll meet him."


    5. aakhri baat..aap ka kya vichaar hai..jato ko sonia /congress ko support karna chaiye ya nahi...aaj tak aapke write-up ke yeh aabhaas hua hai ki aap modi ke kaam se prabhavit hai ..aur modi ke liye aapne logical tarq bhi diye hai..ya arcticle padhe hai aap bhi soniya ke bahgat ho gaye

    Bhai main prabhavit to kisi se nhi hota n kisi ka andh bhagat hun, bhagat sirf Ch chhoturam or Bhaagt singh ka hun. aur jo discussion huye hain usme modi ka kaam pe dusron k addhar pe opinion maine dia hai dusron ki tarah n maine to congress ki RTI n MNREGA ka bhi samarthan dia hai ( infact advani ne bhi MNREGA ko acha batya tha to kya vo congress ka supporte ho gya?) rhi meri baat to vaise to voting secret hoti hai lekin abhi jaton ko center mein OBC mein reservation milta hait o i ll vote for them without doubt atleast this time.

    PS- logically jawaab dena bhai..aapse ay sangwaan sahab se koi niji/political duhmani nahi hai..bas seedhe-seedhe sawaall pooch liye.
    I know nothing is personal here so no need to call it out n i hope i have have givne my answers logically if not please feel free to ask again.
    Last edited by rinkusheoran; June 21st, 2013 at 09:16 PM.
    Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
    Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai

  7. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by cooljat View Post
    Hight of BULL$hit!! Seriously, it's hilarious but gross at the same time.

    you are master in this so dont feel that way, this is your hobby and you have done it again and again.

    Bhai, tu Reservation le le jamma lekin issi maadi baat karke Jaton ke naam aur ithihaas ki maati-paleet mat kare, pleaassse!!



    chinta na kar tu bhai, tereko pahle se aarkshan h baki jaton ko bhi center mein dilla k rahengey n saari post thread pe padh liye pta lag jayega kyun daali thi ye n maine konsi history badal di.

    This is arguably the most non-sense bull$hit statement from so called well educated Jat, ever! God forbid!
    main to so called jat sun lekin tu to pakke aale hoga ya nhi? padh to lia kar ki kis refernece mein dalli thi post sikshit n sabhay jat
    Last edited by rinkusheoran; June 21st, 2013 at 11:37 PM.
    Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
    Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai

  8. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by ssgoyat View Post
    Mudde ki baat par aao

    Sonia ko jaatni maan ne wale aur banane walo:-
    Sonia ke jat hone par eitihasik shodh shuru karya ak nahi?

    Ke bera meri e bua likadi paave....
    coal block nahi, to petrol pump e khulva de
    sodh ebb tai to shuru hoya koni sai n huya to tera naam recommend kar wa de chair karne k liye kyunki tanne teri bua banake petrol pump chahiye
    Last edited by rinkusheoran; June 21st, 2013 at 11:36 PM.
    Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
    Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai

  9. #48
    Vaise to kuch din pahle prince williams ka DNA bhi indian mila tha n usse pahle kisi nhi kaha hota ki vo indian hai to sayad iss tarah ki reaction hote. baat ki gehrai mein jao instead of immediate reaction.

    Last edited by rinkusheoran; June 21st, 2013 at 09:36 PM.
    Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
    Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai

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    Ebb nyu aur aaya sai k prince williams k purvaj gill the n jahan tak mujhe pta hai gill sirf jaton mein hi hota hai baki ho skata hai chamar bhi ho
    Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
    Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai

  11. #50
    If Ch. Hawa Singh writes any thing that too without basis then people will certainly ask questions. He is writing a some sort of research paper then he must follow the norms. He should provide reference for the tools he used in his analysis otherwise people will ask question and he must answer it. I do not know why are you pissed off, let Mr. Hawa Singh answer it.
    Quote Originally Posted by rinkusheoran View Post
    Pannu, go back and check the kind of questions Ygulia ask whenever there is any post for ch Hawasingh sangwanji. When i asked him 'khud bhi kuch kar le' that was purely intentional. Did he ask for which portion he was looking for reference or any other thing? Ygulia yahan sangwan sahab ki post pe jumale maarta hai sirf n viswas na ho to piche ki post dekh lena uski saari.he ask very vague questions.Question puchna hai to prashantcmet ki tarah pucho ya jyani ki tarah na ki naaj k bal.

    Secondly , i have not even talked about the content of the article even once in this thread. Author has said something and everyone is in their rights to question that. Vo jaatni h ya nhi mujhe uska pta nhi na hi aisa iss article se laga. Isme questions hain vo intellectuals members k saamne rakhein hain n let us people who has more knowledge about history prove it wrong or right.aur uper se ye bhi to likha hai ki sodh ka vishya hai to iska matlab kya hai itna to sayad sabko pta hai ya vo bhi batana padega?
    Yoginder Gulia

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  13. #51
    Not taking any sides but he has mentioned that if someone has issues they can sue him in Bhiwani. This should be a good opportunity to prove him wrong if you want to in the court of law rather than seeking sources here, as he is open to the challenge(which actually gives him more credibility)

    What is happening here is Kejriwal style of protest and opposition, while everyone has a lot to say but no one has courage or confidence enough to take the right route.


    Quote Originally Posted by ygulia View Post
    If Ch. Hawa Singh writes any thing that too without basis then people will certainly ask questions. He is writing a some sort of research paper then he must follow the norms. He should provide reference for the tools he used in his analysis otherwise people will ask question and he must answer it. I do not know why are you pissed off, let Mr. Hawa Singh answer it.
    सच्चे शब्दों में सच के अहसास लिखेंगे ...
    वक्त पढे जिसको कुछ इतना खास लिखेंगे...
    गीत गजल हम पर लिखेंगे लिखने वाले...
    हमने कलम उठाइ, तो इतिहास लिखेंगे...!!

  14. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by ygulia View Post
    If Ch. Hawa Singh writes any thing that too without basis then people will certainly ask questions. He is writing a some sort of research paper then he must follow the norms. He should provide reference for the tools he used in his analysis otherwise people will ask question and he must answer it. I do not know why are you pissed off, let Mr. Hawa Singh answer it.
    No one is denying you (or for that matter to anyone) to ask any questions and you have full rights to do that but ask the questions rather than vaguely putting one liner what is source even when sources are already mentioned. What do you want , source for information when Ch charan singh became PM or something else? Ask the right questions and you will get the right answer too.

    As desi rightly pointed out, if you have any qualms or issues in that you can sue him as well and Mr Gulia let me confess something to you ,you will the last person who can piss me off

    This is not the time to ask but let me ask you a question why you answered when news of wife of a 'X' MP eloped was highlighted/published on JL? why you were pissed off at that time? Jinki gharaali bhag ri unke to tum himayati ban jate ho n yahan logon ko parvachan dete ho.
    Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
    Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai

  15. #53
    I want to know the source from where we are quoting the origin of Nehru's muslim family. I know there are heaps of conspiracy theories floating around and I have doubt that it is taken from one of those writer. I don't intend to sue anyone just curious as a reader and asking for the wider interest. I know in the past I was told that Mr Hawasingh doesn't have time to answer such queries but still no harm in asking again. Though it would make no difference to me if he was a muslim or hindu
    जागरूक ती अज्ञानी नहीं बनाया जा सके, स्वाभिमानी का अपमान नहीं करा जा सके , निडर ती दबाया नहीं जा सके भाई नुए सामाजिक क्रांति एक बार आ जे तो उसती बदला नहीं जा सके ---ज्याणी जाट।

    दोस्त हो या दुश्मन, जाट दोनुआ ने १०० साल ताईं याद राखा करे

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  17. #54
    You know very well the status of courts in India. A son will start a civil suit and grandson will get the results. Secondly, I do not have that interest and we ask question for academic interest only.

    Quote Originally Posted by desijat View Post
    Not taking any sides but he has mentioned that if someone has issues they can sue him in Bhiwani. This should be a good opportunity to prove him wrong if you want to in the court of law rather than seeking sources here, as he is open to the challenge(which actually gives him more credibility)

    What is happening here is Kejriwal style of protest and opposition, while everyone has a lot to say but no one has courage or confidence enough to take the right route.
    Yoginder Gulia

  18. #55
    this is too much and involves personal attack. You must be within your limits and do not cross it otherwise it will generate fire only.
    I will advise Mods to take care of such comments and They should edit it.


    Quote Originally Posted by rinkusheoran View Post
    No one is denying you (or for that matter to anyone) to ask any questions and you have full rights to do that but ask the questions rather than vaguely putting one liner what is source even when sources are already mentioned. What do you want , source for information when Ch charan singh became PM or something else? Ask the right questions and you will get the right answer too.

    As desi rightly pointed out, if you have any qualms or issues in that you can sue him as well and Mr Gulia let me confess something to you ,you will the last person who can piss me off

    This is not the time to ask but let me ask you a question why you answered when news of wife of a 'X' MP eloped was highlighted/published on JL? why you were pissed off at that time? Jinki gharaali bhag ri unke to tum himayati ban jate ho n yahan logon ko parvachan dete ho.
    Yoginder Gulia

  19. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by ygulia View Post
    this is too much and involves personal attack. You must be within your limits and do not cross it otherwise it will generate fire only.
    I will advise Mods to take care of such comments and They should edit it.

    what is personal Mr ygulia? was it not in daily new papers? i can give you link as well if you want. ebb sawaal koni pucha ki iski source kya hai ?
    Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
    Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai

  20. #57
    Then Guliya sahab second best way is you share your proofs(links, reference) to prove him wrong, that wont take too long and help members like us get right information
    Quote Originally Posted by ygulia View Post
    You know very well the status of courts in India. A son will start a civil suit and grandson will get the results. Secondly, I do not have that interest and we ask question for academic interest only.
    सच्चे शब्दों में सच के अहसास लिखेंगे ...
    वक्त पढे जिसको कुछ इतना खास लिखेंगे...
    गीत गजल हम पर लिखेंगे लिखने वाले...
    हमने कलम उठाइ, तो इतिहास लिखेंगे...!!

  21. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by rinkusheoran View Post
    sodh ebb tai to shuru hoya koni sai n huya to tera naam recommend kar wa de chair karne k liye kyunki tanne teri bua banake petrol pump chahiye

    jihone pehle shodh ki sambhaavna jatai/batai.aur bina shodh hue hi...(ki agar by chance) wo jatni nahi bhi nikalti.. to bhi jatni maan lena chahiye bhi keh diya...aisi shodh ko chair karna mere bas ki kahan

    "तो जाटों को सोनिया गांधी को जाटनी मानकर पूरा सम्मान, प्रेम, सहयोग और समर्थन क्यों नहीं देना चाहिए? "
    .
    .
    naa re bhai.... meri bua banan te pehlya to aur kisi ki banti dikkhe.... mhara lumber kade te aave tha....jii ne tassali den ali baat thi ya to...

    arr apne bhaaaiiyaa ka petrol pump khul jya... appa to usme bhi bhot raaaji...

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  23. #59
    Pad liya tera reference. Kyun girgit ki jise rang badlo ho, read your old posts .. pehle to ghanna congress ke khilaf bola karte aur eib jab Sangwan Saab ke dhore Hooda ki ya fer Madamji ki kuch sulah ho gayi to unke paale main chale gaye.

    Dalbadlu naam dhar le apna!


    Quote Originally Posted by rinkusheoran View Post
    main to so called jat sun lekin tu to pakke aale hoga ya nhi? padh to lia kar ki kis refernece mein dalli thi post sikshit n sabhay jat
    .. " Until Lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter! " ..



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    Jaat bhahiyo abhi abhi bhiwani se khabar aayi hai shodh karne ke beed ki jaato ka america mai bhi kabhi raj hua karta tha ....barak obama bill clinton jaat ho sakte hai:-)

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