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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Some of the oldest implements of man have been found in Dekhan and it has been assumed

    that if man was evolved at all in India, he must have done so in the plateau immediately to

    the south of the Dandak forest. It is argued that Dandakaranaya which appears in Ramayana

    as the abode of man-like monkeys was the area of man's evolution in India. In this respect,

    T P S Aiyengar is of the view that ''man could not have originated in the Himalayan cold or the

    dense forests or low river valleys [of India] as they lacked all those roots and nuts

    on which men subsisted.''

    Scientists have till date found fossilized remains of humans that date back 80,000 years. These remains were not found in India.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Scientists have till date found fossilized remains of humans that date back 80,000 years. These remains were not found in India.

    Kindly share some fuller details on the issue !
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Scientists have till date found fossilized remains of humans that date back 80,000 years. These remains were not found in India.
    Ever heard of Narmada Man?

    http://knowledge.sagepub.com/view/anthropology/n636.xml

    here are the details of other findings from India which are much older than 100 K yrs.

    http://www.assemblage.group.shef.ac....9/chauhan.html

    Moreover, unlike other places Indians have been burning their dead for 1000s of years. Chances of finding fossile remains in india are much lower than other countries.

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    Last edited by rkumar; May 9th, 2013 at 05:19 AM.
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  5. #24
    Thanks Friend for providing two very useful clues to the presence of ancient man in India.

    About the Narmada man readers can log and get full paper by paying subscription. The introduction to paper is given on the link as :

    Narmada Man

    Kenneth A. R. Kennedy
    The discovery in 1982 of a fossilized skull in the central Narmada valley in Madhya Pradesh, India, provides the first scientifically recorded evidence of human skeletal remains from the Indian subcontinent dating to the late Middle Pleistocene of 300,000 to 150,000 years ago. Dr. Arun Sonakia of the Geological Survey of India found the fossil exposed on the ground surface of a thick Quaternary sediment of fluvial origin and embedded in a fossiliferous gravel conglomerate on the north bank of the Narmada river. This is near the village of Hathnora and some 40 km northeast of Hoshangabad town. Preserved parts of the specimen are the left side of the cranial vault, most of the base of the skull, and the left half of the brow ridges and orbit. Hence, it is a calvaria , not a complete skull with a full face including upper and lower jaws. Teeth are absent. ...
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  7. #25
    Whereas human settlement in India dates back to roughly 400,000 to 200,000 B.C., extensive urbanization and trade appear to have begun in the Indus River Valley around 3000 B.C. with the Harappa civilization. From this period until the termination of British colonial rule in 1947, numerous empires ruled various portions of South Asia, often assimilating a rich array of peoples and each adding its own contribution to an increasingly rich tapestry of cultures, ideas, and technologies. Indeed, many of India’s current political, cultural, and economic traits have been influenced by historical events and trends, many of which pre-date European contact.

    Among the most influential early empires were the Aryans, who migrated from Persia to northwestern India around 2000 B.C. and brought a new pantheon of anthropomorphic gods, an early form of Sanskrit language, a tiered social system essentially based on ethnicity and occupation, and religious texts that are an important part of living Hindu traditions. [Source: Library of Congress – Federal Research Division Country Profile: India, December 2004, p. 1]
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  8. #26
    The coming of the Aryans from central Asia caused far reaching impact on the history of not only what we know as Harappan Civilisation but also on general history of India.

    The readers are requested to join discussion on this very important aspect of our ancient history.
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  9. #27

    Lightbulb Central thread for documenting the 2000+ sites of Indus Valley Civilization (IVC)

    There are thousands of sites spread across multiple states mainly within India's Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan and Gujrat and Punjab and Sindh of Pakistan, there are sites in as far as UP, Uttrakhand, J&K, MP and Afghanistan also.

    This thread in intended to become the central repository for documenting all the sites of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) aka Vedic Civilization (VC) aka Sarasvati Civilization (SC). Please note, this thread is NOT intended to debate if IVC should be better known as VC or SC, etc.

    Please document the sites, where possible, provide the wikimapia link, name of the village where site/mound is situated, district, state and country, etc. Any also insert additional links on the site e.g. research reports, reports of digs, etc.

    Thanks.

    Notes to Admin: If you deem it fit, feel free to move the the General History. Though it can be argued IVC is also the history of the early Jats.

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  11. #28
    Dr. Rajpal ji, I think it would be more appropriate to move my thread on Indus Valley Civilization photos to this central thread. Currently it has been moved to 'History in Photos' thread. Kindly see, if you too agree with the suggestion.

    Regards,

    Urmila.


    Quote Originally Posted by vdhillon View Post
    There are thousands of sites spread across multiple states mainly within India's Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan and Gujrat and Punjab and Sindh of Pakistan, there are sites in as far as UP, Uttrakhand, J&K, MP and Afghanistan also.

    This thread in intended to become the central repository for documenting all the sites of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) aka Vedic Civilization (VC) aka Sarasvati Civilization (SC). Please note, this thread is NOT intended to debate if IVC should be better known as VC or SC, etc.

    Please document the sites, where possible, provide the wikimapia link, name of the village where site/mound is situated, district, state and country, etc. Any also insert additional links on the site e.g. research reports, reports of digs, etc.

    Thanks.

    Notes to Admin: If you deem it fit, feel free to move the the General History. Though it can be argued IVC is also the history of the early Jats.
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  12. #29
    @DrRajpalSingh: it will eb great if you could pls edit the post to date some of these events to form a longitudinal-timeline of the march of mankind in the Indian subcontinent.


    Also, I am wondering if you meant Sub-Glacial Periods (big fluctuations in the Glacial periods, each fluctuation lasts 10s of thousands of years) whiles referring to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th Glacial periods.

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    We have very scanty data to study on Early Man and his Environment and the condition in this context of India is also far from clearer due to non availability of sufficient data. However, recent researches have brought to light surface finds from various parts of the country which testify to the widespread existence of man who, in the words of R.C. Majumdar, “fashioned rough stone implements mainly of quartzite. These were similar in shape and make to those known to be Paleolithic tools in Europe, but as in the majority of cases their stratigraphic relation was not known, they could not be assigned to a definite geological age.”

    However, the existence of Early Man in the foothills of north-western India, traversed by the Soan, Haro, and other rivers at the end of the First Inter-Glacial Period and the beginning of the Second Ice Age in the South-West Himalayas stands established.

    The Third Ice Age followed between the Early Soan and Late Soan industries. The Late Soan industry is assigned to the third Ice Age. Some pebble tools and Flakes found at some sites on the Sil River, a tributary of Soan, are supposed to, possibly, belong to Fourth Ice Age.

    These earliest finds from the region of Soan belonging to four ice ages are there to testify of Early Man’s existence but no human remains have been found of that age with these tools found at Chauntra on the Soan River, Khushalgarh, Makhad, Injra, and Gariala on the Haro River in the north-West Himalayas.

    The main featurres of these remains provide foundation for further research in the archaeological field. It would be interesting to know the contents of the studies done in the field so far.

    Hence participants are requested to share their views and knowledge about the already done studies on the life of the earliest man on Indian soil.

  13. #30
    @DrRajpalSingh: it will eb great if you could pls edit the post to date some of these events to form a longitudinal-timeline of the march of mankind in the Indian subcontinent.


    Also, I am wondering if you meant Sub-Glacial Periods (big fluctuations in the Glacial periods, each fluctuation lasts 10s of thousands of years) whiles referring to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th Glacial periods.

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    We have very scanty data to study on Early Man and his Environment and the condition in this context of India is also far from clearer due to non availability of sufficient data. However, recent researches have brought to light surface finds from various parts of the country which testify to the widespread existence of man who, in the words of R.C. Majumdar, �fashioned rough stone implements mainly of quartzite. These were similar in shape and make to those known to be Paleolithic tools in Europe, but as in the majority of cases their stratigraphic relation was not known, they could not be assigned to a definite geological age.�

    However, the existence of Early Man in the foothills of north-western India, traversed by the Soan, Haro, and other rivers at the end of the First Inter-Glacial Period and the beginning of the Second Ice Age in the South-West Himalayas stands established.

    The Third Ice Age followed between the Early Soan and Late Soan industries. The Late Soan industry is assigned to the third Ice Age. Some pebble tools and Flakes found at some sites on the Sil River, a tributary of Soan, are supposed to, possibly, belong to Fourth Ice Age.

    These earliest finds from the region of Soan belonging to four ice ages are there to testify of Early Man�s existence but no human remains have been found of that age with these tools found at Chauntra on the Soan River, Khushalgarh, Makhad, Injra, and Gariala on the Haro River in the north-West Himalayas.

    The main featurres of these remains provide foundation for further research in the archaeological field. It would be interesting to know the contents of the studies done in the field so far.

    Hence participants are requested to share their views and knowledge about the already done studies on the life of the earliest man on Indian soil.

  14. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by vdhillon View Post
    @DrRajpalSingh: ..........................


    Also, I am wondering if you meant Sub-Glacial Periods (big fluctuations in the Glacial periods, each fluctuation lasts 10s of thousands of years) whiles referring to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th Glacial periods.

    Thanks.
    Yes, you are right.

    Thanks
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