Is it possible that "Sinsinwar" is originally "Sinsinval" like so many other family names e.g. "Bakarval", Sabbarval, so on.
The "Val" concept originally means "coming from". So in this sense "Sinsinvar" becomes people coming from "Sin tribe" or people using the totem "Sin".
Last edited by maddhan1979; May 21st, 2014 at 10:08 PM.
Originally Posted by maddhan1979
Or in more ancient terms "Sinsinvar" becomes:
"The moon god" or the "God of the people who have Moon totem/clan"
The "early history section" on this web page seems to be influenced by mythology and religion. Is there any archaeological evidence of the stated history of this area? As per the root sound and word relates with the travelling people who settled there. The concept of "Kull" like "Gokulla" again seems to be heavily influenced by religious backing. Glorification of "Cow" as an object of worship is heavily influenced by religious colors. The real fact is, if people are travelling from one place to another with their livestock, they are going to use its milk for food, skin for clothing, shoes, etc, meat for food. For ages, this has been a trend of people who came from some place and settled at another place.
People who preach religion and advocate religion depend on religion as their source of livelihood. New religions, new thoughts about life are always decremental to their already established authority, power and money. One of the easy ways to promote religion and make it your source of livelihood, power and strength is to increase the number of followers.
Now the main question is how to increase the number of followers?
Let us go back in history, when people were travelling in tribes and settling in new places. Each tribe will always carry root words that will recognize them. Each tribe will carry animals that will feed them.
Now how to make tribes join the religion?
The most common way of joining the tribes is distorting their original historical existence and combining something common that these travelling tribes had.
The most common thing that each migrating and travelling tribe had was the need for food and the food depended on the animals that these people brought along or found in the way of their migration. In ancient times, when humans were more dependent on nature, when rivers were not tamed (tamed by building dams on the rivers, so that the rivers will not break their banks,The word "Tamed" is used because it connects with the original thought of humans who used to worship and consider elements of the nature in form of animals), when jungles were filled with animals which were dangerous to human life, the most prized possession were the livestock or the animals, that these tribes had for their food supply.
Sharing of food and hospitality has been a major feature of many cultures. Therefore sharing of animals, travelling with the people was also common feature, when they arrived in new migration places.
Sharing livestock (animals) does not mean that all of the people who used these animals owned these animals or were the original owners of these animals. Now comes the role of religion, if religion wants to spread then it needs to increase it strength by incensing its number of people. Then the "owners of religion" would try to gather strength by increasing the number of animals in their stock and ask the "followers or the "new supposed to be followers" "to present/give some offerings to the people running the religion or the owners of the religion" and often the offering to "religion owners" was "in the name of god" and "in the form of most prized possessions that these tribes had and that was most of the times in the form of animals/livestock e.g. cow, chickens, money/gold, etc. and in this way some of the "preachers of religion" became the "owners of these animals/wealth, etc.", this does not mean that they were the real owners or the original owners of the livestock/wealth/etc.
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Now coming to the point:
The root word "Sin"
Throughout the world the root words remain same. Any linguist will tell you so and remember a linguist is a scientific person and not a mythological person.
Root words like "Name in English" , "Nam in Hindi/Urdu/Gujarati/Punjabi/etc., German,Dutch" "Nimi in Finnish" and in many other languages remain the same. This tells about origin of languages and migration of tribes and people.
The word "Sin" has following following: "Sindh an area in today`s Pakistan" and again "Sindh is in west of present India, this indicates that this was a west migration". Who came to Sindh in what time and settled there is another question.
People carrying the family name of "Sin" like "Sinsinwar or maybe original "Sinsinval" seem to coming from the side where "Sin" originated.
Now "Sin" was presented in "Akkadian Empire".
Both "Sinsinwar/val" and "Kadian" are Jat family names.
The concept of "Sin" originates from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology)", Akkadian empire."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_language"
Another close word that connects with "Sin" is "Sen" or "Sain" . Such family names can be see throughout the country.
Had "Sen" or "Sain" been original word and not "Sin" then we would have had "Saindh" or "Sendh" for the word "Sindh" which is not true, rather the original name we have is "Sindh".
The other reference of "Gokul" and other concepts seem to have more religious corruption. This religious corruption might have been induced to stop wars between new migrating tribes and people living in the land, or between other migrating tribes and so on.
"Gokul" can easily mean people who owned the cows, people who grazed the cows and so on. It does not specifically mean that only certain tribes were the owners of of these cows. "Go(cow) ka "Kul". The word "Kul" always has a wider implication and has a religious rooting. At what point of time in history this word was coined and came into being is hard to be determined, as it is not backed by archaeological evidence, rather it is backed by mythology and religion. Most probably this word was coined when the migrating tribes connected with native religions of the land in which these tribes migrated. Therefore the words like "Gokul", etc. are driven by local religious sentiments and not factual information.
Whereas the word "Sin" has been archaeologically verified by language script and by archaeological artifacts by archaeologists and historians.
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So the chronology of language and people travels like "Sin", "Sindh" and "Sinsinvar".
The word "Sain" is far from the original word "Sin" then the word "Sin" itself.
Therefore "Sinsinvar" seem to be direct decendents from "Sin" the "moon god/ moon totem" in ancient terms.
Who was living in Sindh or at place called "Sinsini" at what point of time is another question.
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinsini"
Lot of history of Sinsini seems to be backed by non scientific, non archaeological false information and myths.
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We must learn to differentiate between religious noise and pollution e.g. the word "Gokul" or "Kul". Which does not connect with any single tribe or people and with the real factual information. This word can very well mean, people who depend on Cows for their livelihood, livelihood in the form of food, skin, wealth, grazing the cows, etc.
Last edited by maddhan1979; May 24th, 2014 at 01:07 PM.
It is interesting to see that both Semitic and Non-Semitic languages seem to be coming from the same root.
U are right, the history of Indian subcontinent seems to be heavily influenced by religious and mythological crap. Majority of which this religious and mythological crap does not have seem to have any archaeological or scientific backing. Indian subcontinents mind is heavily influenced by religious crap, which blinds the people and stop them from looking things from archaeological and scientific way.
As the scientific and archaeological mindset`s roots are in European, American, Russian way of thought due to progressive industrialization and scientific view of life, although exceptions are everywhere. Whereas Indian subcontinent has again gone down into dark ages of religious, mythological non scientific way of thought.
A simple example is a name of a person called "Shoorsena" or "Shoor + Sena" now "Shoor" stands for same meaning as in "Shoorvir" or "Shoor + vir".
So "Shoor + Sena means "Army means which is very courageous" now the real archaeological existence of any person by this name might be not present.
Such person might be present mythologically, this blind mythological and religious is most probably due to idol worship, as in idol worship personification/creation of human like figure of mythology and folklore's is a prominent feature.
What we fail to recognize and discover is that most of the tribes which migrated from western parts of of the world settled in western areas of present day Indian subcontinent , as in ancient times mostly tribes migrated through the land whose topography was familiar to them. So people migrating from drier area such as semi arid or desert like areas will feel easy to travel through semi arid or desert areas. In the past tribal travel/migrations was not easy because of wild animals, robbers, unknown topographies like swamp areas, etc.
So this also means people who are living in present day desert areas might be coming from drier areas of the world. Indian context this might be more true because there has not been a large scale human movement from remote areas of India.
Last edited by maddhan1979; May 27th, 2014 at 07:39 PM.
The "Val" concept originally means "coming from". So in this sense "Sinsinvar" becomes people coming from "Sin tribe" or people using the totem "Sin".[/QUOTE]
On a second thought word "SinSinvar", in its original form could also have been derived from ancient tribal military classification, "var" in Hindi means "attack", so "Sinsinwar", could also mean attack on clan of "sinsin" by "Sinsinvar". In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages. So it is possible that the tribes of IndoEuropean language speakers named the opponent/local/already residing tribes as the "sin" and tribal classification of "Sinsinvar", emerged out of the confrontations that these speakers of IndoEuropean languages had with the other tribes.
On a second thought word "SinSinvar", in its original form could also have been derived from ancient tribal military classification, "var" in Hindi means "attack", so "Sinsinwar", could also mean attack on clan of "sinsin" by "Sinsinvar". In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages. So it is possible that the tribes of IndoEuropean language speakers named the opponent/local/already residing tribes as the "sin" and tribal classification of "Sinsinvar", emerged out of the confrontations that these speakers of IndoEuropean languages had with the other tribes.[/QUOTE]
" In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages.",
As "Sin", is a root word in "IndoEuropean langauges"
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sin
It is also possible that it a religiously defined meaning at certain point of time in India's ancient religious and feudal history
Last edited by maddhan1979; March 30th, 2017 at 08:35 AM.
" In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages.",
As "Sin", is a root word in "IndoEuropean langauges"
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sin
It is also possible that it a religiously defined meaning at certain point of time in India's ancient religious and feudal history[/QUOTE]
It is possible "Sinsinvar" are late migrants into Indian subcontinent and were put to some "Hal", "Solution" in the out area's of the farmland.
On a second thought word "SinSinvar", in its original form could also have been derived from ancient tribal military classification, "var" in Hindi means "attack", so "Sinsinwar", could also mean attack on clan of "sinsin" by "Sinsinvar". In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages. So it is possible that the tribes of IndoEuropean language speakers named the opponent/local/already residing tribes as the "sin" and tribal classification of "Sinsinvar", emerged out of the confrontations that these speakers of IndoEuropean languages had with the other tribes.[/QUOTE]
Original word in this context is "Sinsinvar" as the "Var" " to attack" so such names could very well have been derived from ancient wars that these tribes faught.
Interestingly the name of week in Hindi also have "Var" in it, e.g. Somvar, Budhvar, etc..
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