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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by vk23 View Post
    Kindly read the below fragment:

    http://profit.ndtv.com/news/economy/...es-list-675460


    The country under the Mughal rule around 1700 AD, accounted for 25 per cent of the world's output and made it to number three (chronological order) in the 'Fortune 5: Most powerful economic empires of all time'.
    The Mughal empire which dated from the 16th century till the British took over the country in the 19th century, was one of the most vibrant eras for the Indian economy, according to Fortune.

    No wonder you quote from ndtv article - the ever so secular channel. However, here is the graphic:

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    Can you make out what was percentage GDP of India, before coming of muslims? Propaganda doesn't always work!

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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    giving place to multicultural and composite heritage in the spheres of architecture, literature and fine arts.
    Was India not "multicultural" and "composite" before? What new did islam bring on the table? The only thing islam did was bring another culture - which was more hegemonic, destructive and "unicultural" than anything that has ever been on planet earth. India was multicultural (though the term in its contemporary context is highly misleading) before the advent of islam, and all your nostalgia about it is akin to the statement that war is nothing but peace accentuated by its absence.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Rise and development of many regional languages also may be ascribed to this period. Birth of Urdu and fast development of Hindi also has traces to this period.
    1. When did regional languages stop rising and developing? Can you please provide us with some specific instances where regional (or otherwise) languages were not developing?
    2. What exactly makes Urdu a separate language from Hindi, so that you can attribute a birth to it?
    3. What is this fast development of Hindi, can you please provide specific instances - so that we can also hear the sonic boom left behind by the proclaimed fast development?

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    A section of the divided local people of Sindh joined the invaders to get rid of the tyranny of and prosecution by the ruler.
    Doesn't a section of people always support the invaders? Tell me one war where a section of population didn't support the invaders. This is very biased rhetoric to say the least.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    The victor retired to his native country along with a considerable number of Indians with him. This led to continued relationship between the people of Sindh and the state founded by the Khalifa.
    Are you talking about the swathes of slaves that were trafficked? This is some jugglery of words! You make it sound as if they were invited for a feast into the Arabia in jovial atmosphere of mutual appreciation.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Important point here to note is that victory of the foreign raiders was ensured by a group of Indians joining hands with them.
    Which was this group of people joined hands with "foreign raiders" against Dahir? Can you kindly specify?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    The answer is wrongs done to them by the ruling elite on the basis of faulty social system current in that area complled them to do so. There was no fight between Hindus or Muslims alone on either side. Hindus had joined hands with the invading armies to get deliverance from their tyrant king Raja Dahir and this they did with the help of Qasim.
    Please give instances of "tyranny" of Dahir, and the "faulty social system".
    Last edited by sahij; November 3rd, 2014 at 03:41 PM.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by sahij View Post

    Which was this group of people joined hands with "foreign raiders" against Dahir? Can you kindly specify?
    Few jats and meds joined hands with kasim to defeat daahir. Jats were prominently buddhist at that time. there were many Jat kings in Sindh area. After defeating daahir, kasim invaded on jats too and they fought with bravery but were defeated.


    Quote Originally Posted by sahij View Post
    Please give instances of "tyranny" of Dahir, and the "faulty social system".
    daahir and chach mistreated jats. they imposed disgraceful regulations on them. Dahir married his own sister..filthy dog!. cheater kasim also continued the same regulations on Jats, he compared jats with savages of Persia.
    Become more and more innocent, less knowledgeable and more childlike. Take life as fun - because that's precisely what it is!

  6. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    Few jats and meds joined hands with kasim to defeat daahir. Jats were prominently buddhist at that time. there were many Jat kings in Sindh area. After defeating daahir, kasim invaded on jats too and they fought with bravery but were defeated.
    Correct, but reasons range from oppression to personal gains. And if I remember correctly, some of them even feigned a capture by Qasim - so that can hardly be called "honourable" conduct.

    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    Dahir married his own sister..filthy dog!.
    She was Jat, and not a real sister, but his step sister and the marriage was never consummated - that might be unacceptable social conduct, but doesn't really qualify as "tyranny" or "faulty social system". Irrespective of that Dahir was brave - so I give that much credit to him.

    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    cheater kasim also continued the same regulations on Jats, he compared jats with savages of Persia.
    Exactly, (though I had originally replied to DrRajpalSingh), nothing changed due to this invasion. In fact, brahmins were left out of most of the trouble because they pleaded in front of Qasim. So the claim that somehow islam was the savior or provided deliverance is a false one. Further the war was fought on the pretext of muslim women captured by some people (and consequently on religious grounds to extend muslim dominion) and had nothing to do with Dahir or his "tyranny".
    Last edited by sahij; November 4th, 2014 at 03:18 PM.

  7. #66
    Reawakening among Hindu Saints to reform society led to appearance of increased social reformers compositely known as BHAKTI MOVEMENT SAINTS as well as appearance of increased activities of SUFI SAINTS.


    Both these groups enriched Indian social fabric and Literary heritage.
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  8. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    Few jats and meds joined hands with kasim to defeat daahir. Jats were prominently buddhist at that time. there were many Jat kings in Sindh area. After defeating daahir, kasim invaded on jats too and they fought with bravery but were defeated.




    daahir and chach mistreated jats. they imposed disgraceful regulations on them. Dahir married his own sister..filthy dog!. cheater kasim also continued the same regulations on Jats, he compared jats with savages of Persia.
    Not have much knowledge about it. Please provide credible proof. What were those regulations specificly for jats ? How they mistreated us? married her sister & what about the one who fought him ? his generation is marrying with sisters ..

  9. #68
    Well, without going into the good and the bad of it, the foreign invasions brought in a lot of changes to the sub-continent, the effects of which we still see to this day. From our language, to our dress, our food, music etc is directly correlated to these invasions.
    Pagdi Sambhal Jatta..!

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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by RathiJi View Post
    Not have much knowledge about it. Please provide credible proof. What were those regulations specificly for jats ? How they mistreated us? married her sister & what about the one who fought him ? his generation is marrying with sisters ..
    Read "chachnama", read on Jatland wiki or just google you will find lot of matter to read
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  13. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by sahij View Post
    .................................................. .................Exactly, (though I had originally replied to DrRajpalSingh), nothing changed due to this invasion. In fact, brahmins were left out of most of the trouble because they pleaded in front of Qasim. So the claim that somehow islam was the savior or provided deliverance is a false one. Further the war was fought on the pretext of muslim women captured by some people (and consequently on religious grounds to extend muslim dominion) and had nothing to do with Dahir or his "tyranny".
    Friend kindly share your findings by quoting source please !
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  15. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by sahij View Post


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    1. When did regional languages stop rising and developing? Can you please provide us with some specific instances where regional (or otherwise) languages were not developing?
    2. What exactly makes Urdu a separate language from Hindi, so that you can attribute a birth to it?
    3. What is this fast development of Hindi, can you please provide specific instances - so that we can also hear the sonic boom left behind by the proclaimed fast development?
    Kindly read some good books on the development of Indian languages and literature to know the answers to these questions.

    R.C Majumdar edited multi volumes books published by BVB, Bombay can be good starting point for a beginner with clean slate as regards knowledge of the history of languages and literature during medieval times in India is concerned !
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  17. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by sahij View Post
    Was India not "multicultural" and "composite" before? What new did islam bring on the table? The only thing islam did was bring another culture - which was more hegemonic, destructive and "unicultural" than anything that has ever been on planet earth. India was multicultural (though the term in its contemporary context is highly misleading) before the advent of islam, and all your nostalgia about it is akin to the statement that war is nothing but peace accentuated by its absence.
    .......................
    1. When did regional languages stop rising and developing? Can you please provide us with some specific instances where regional (or otherwise) languages were not developing?
    2. What exactly makes Urdu a separate language from Hindi, so that you can attribute a birth to it?
    3. What is this fast development of Hindi, can you please provide specific instances - so that we can also hear the sonic boom left behind by the proclaimed fast development?
    And,
    Quote Originally Posted by sahij View Post
    Doesn't a section of people always support the invaders? Tell me one war where a section of population didn't support the invaders. This is very biased rhetoric to say the least...............

    Are you talking about the swathes of slaves that were trafficked? This is some jugglery of words! You make it sound as if they were invited for a feast into the Arabia in jovial atmosphere of mutual appreciation.................

    Which was this group of people joined hands with "foreign raiders" against Dahir? Can you kindly specify?..................

    Please give instances of "tyranny" of Dahir, and the "faulty social system".
    Friend,

    I avoided commenting on your scholarly findings but you have started to quote your views in reply to questions raised by other members in their posts also to justify that the replies posted by you are something concrete results. Hence this post:

    Taken together all the questions show some of them are the questions for the sake of 'questions' and others show that before posing them you did not even read any standard book on Medieval Indian History. After reading some standard books on history of medieval India you may turn to History of India as Told by its own Historians in VIII Volumes which will provide names of the books and authors as well as some selective passages' English Translation that will be helpful in finding some of the mentioned books in some archives/repositories. Thereafter, there is a lot of literature available in National Library Calcutta and National Archives of India on medieval Indian History and culture.

    If after going into this process you feel that what I have put above in my posts is wrong, you are free to raise questions.

    You will appreciate that this forum is history section [not general discussion forum ] where one is expected to post such material as may be substantiated with reference material ! [Read first Chachnama as suggested by Mr. Prashant Vaidwan to get first hand information what Dahir did with his subject Buddhists who were mostly Jats.] Full Persian text of Chachnama has been translated into English and published in book form at AMU Aligarh.

    Thanks and wish you best readings !
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  19. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Friend kindly share your findings by quoting source please !
    Respected DrRajpalSingh,


    Instead of suggesting you to read Chachnama as you have done (which incidently I read many years back), I would just give excerpts from it.

    1. "nothing changed due to this invasion." - for Jats

    Muhammad Kasim gives a written pardon to the residents of Brahminabad.
    Muhammad Kasim, then complied with the prayer made by the people in the suburbs of Braminabad, and permanently settled their affairs in the same way and on the same lines, as had been followed in the case of the Jews, Fire-worshippers, Nazarenes and Magians of Irak and Syria. He then sent them back to their homes; and to their headmen he gave the generic name of Rana.1 He then sent for Wazir Siyakar and Mókah Basayeh, and asked them as to how the Jats of the Luhanah tribe had been treated by Chach and Dahar, and how matters now stood in regard to them. Wazir Siyakar replied in the presence of Mókah Basayeh: “In the reign of Rai Chach the Luhanahs, that is, the Lakhahs and the Sammahs were not allowed to use soft clothes of silk or velvet. On the contrary they used to wear a rough black blanket, and put on a rough coarse scarf on their shoulders, and they went about with bare head and feet. If any one of them wore some soft stuff, he was fined, and when they went out of their houses, they used to take a dog with them, in order that they might easily be distinguished from the other tribes. None of their elders or chiefs was allowed to ride a horse. If any guides were required anywhere by any prince, they served as such. In fact it was their business to show the way as guides upto the limits of another tribe. If any headman or Rana was obliged to use a horse, he rode it without any saddle or reins, and with only a blanket on its back. If an accident occurred to any traveller, the Jat tribes were called to help, and it was the duty of their headmen to see that such help was given readily. If any one of them committed theft, his children and the other members of his family were thrown into flames and burnt. They guided caravans on their way both during day time and at night. Among them there is no distinction of high and low; they are all of the wild nature of brutes. They have always been refractory and disobedient to the rulers; and are in the habit of committing highway robberies. In the robberies committed some time ago on the high roads of Debal, they were probably concerned as accomplices. It was also a duty of theirs to supply firewood for the royal kitchen, to collect provisions for the personal use of the king, and to keep watch over his person, as his body guards.”

    A tradition.
    Hearing this account of the Luhanah Jats, Muhammad Kasim is said to have remarked: “what a villainous set of people these are. They are quite like the wild men, living in some villages of Fars and Mount Payeh, and they should now be treated as such.” Muhammad Kasim, therefore, thought it proper to deal with them exactly in the same way, and following the rule made applicable by the commander of the faithful, Umār, son of Khattab, (may the great God be pleased with him) to the people of Syria, he ordered that if any stranger or a traveller should arrive within their limits, they were bound to entertain him with food as a guest for a day and night, and if he fell sick, for three days.
    All the country ruled by Dróhar, king of Kurij was given to Huzail son of Sulaiman Azdi, and Khantilah son of Bananah Kilabi was made the governor of Dahlelah. Every one of these officers was ordered to make full enquiries as to the state of affairs in his charge, and to communicate the result, every month, after careful verification. He also advised all of them to assist one another, in case an enemy's army invaded the country, or caused disaffection or revolt among the people. They were further instructed to keep an eye on the unruly and the mischievous, and to chastise them. He gave them 2,000 infantry for the purpose. He also nominated Kais Abdul Malik, son of Kais Dini and Khalid Ansari to the charge of Siwistan; and deputed Masud Tamimi son of Shaibah Jadidi, Farasati Atki, Sahir Lashkari Abdul Malik son of Abdullah Khazai, Mahni son of Akkah, and Wafa son of Abdurrahman to Dahlelah and Nerun to settle that part of the country. Among the emancipated slaves, there was one by name Malik, who was very enterprising. Him, he sent as his officer to Kardail. Alwan Bahkri and Kais son of Saalabah with 300 followers of theirs chose to become permanent residents. They married and begot children, and completely subjugated and tamed the Jats.

    2. "brahmins were left out of most of the trouble because they pleaded in front of Qasim"

    A petition made by the Brahmins.
    He then ordered a census to be taken of all the merchants and artisans. About 1,000 men from amongst the ordinary public were thus counted out. Muhammad Kasim ordered a capitation tax of 12 dirams of silver in weight only to be fixed on each of them as they had already lost their property by plunder. He next appointed headmen and village chiefs to collect the revenue and charged them with the duty of collecting the tribute from all the townspeople and villagers, and thus provided them with sufficient means of subsistence and support.
    When the Brahmins saw the consideration shown by the Arab General to the headmen, they came to him with a petition (praying that a similar favour be shown to them), and all the great and chief men of the place testified to the fact that, in the last reign, they were much honoured and revered. Muhammad Kasim, therefore, paid them proper respect, and issued an order that they be shown the same reverence as before. They were, thus, in every way, free from trouble and violence. Muhammad Kasim (also) gave every one of them a proper appointment. As he was quite sure, now, that no harm or mischief would result from them, he conferred on every one of them the same post which he had held in the reign of Rai Chach. He then called a conference of all the Brahmins in the town, and addressed them as follows:—

    The Brahmins go to the villagers in the province with happy hearts.
    “In the reign of Dahar, you held responsible posts, and you must be knowing all the people of the city as well as of the country all around. You must in form us which of them are noteworthy and celebrated and deserve kindness and patronage at our hands; so that we may show proper favour to them, and make grants to them. As I have come to entertain a good opinion of you, and have full trust in your faithfulness and sincerety, I confirm you in your previous posts. The management of all the affairs of State, and its administration, I leave in your able hands, and this (right) I grant (also) to your children and descendants hereditarily, and you need fear no alteration or cancellation of the order thus issued.”

    3. "Further the war was fought on the pretext of muslim women captured by some people (and consequently on religious grounds to extend muslim dominion) and had nothing to do with Dahir or his "tyranny""


    Do I really need to give quotes in support of this? I can give you if you want. Anybody who knows anything about Sindh history knows that Qasim was sent for "rescueing" muslim women returning from Serendib (Sri Lanka), and the captors had nothing to do with Dahir. The "expedition" (so to say) achieved its goals quite early, and Dahir in no way interfered in Qasim's quest to achieve the same. All this was used as a tool to persuade the muslim fighting men because they were unwilling to come - because they suffered heavily in previous many such expeditions.

  20. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Kindly read some good books on the development of Indian languages and literature to know the answers to these questions.
    I appreciate your consistency when you ask others to quote sources, while you yourself get away by just asking others to "read some good books". May be you consider yourself God in History, or at least the historical version of Prophet Muhammad, that whatever you say is to be treated as a word of God himself/herself.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    I avoided commenting on your scholarly findings but you have started to quote your views in reply to questions raised by other members in their posts also to justify that the replies posted by you are something concrete results. Hence this post:
    Thanks for being so kind as to condescend to reply to my "scholarly findings", but may be it is me, however, I couldn't find where I quoted my "views in reply to questions raised by other members in their posts also to justify that the replies posted by you [me] are something concrete results". Anyway,

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Taken together all the questions show some of them are the questions for the sake of 'questions' and others show that before posing them you did not even read any standard book on Medieval Indian History.
    Well you can treat it like that, for that is one way of avoiding uncomfortable questions on your assertions which become eternal truths from the very fact that they have been placed amidst us by you.

    You haven't answered a single one of my questions. Not only that you give a vague rebuttal which includes enhancing my knowledge by reading through middle class history. While I appreciate your concern for my historical well being, you are acting more like a school teacher who thinks everybody his pupil, than a sound reasoning individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    After reading some standard books on history of medieval India you may turn to History of India as Told by its own Historians in VIII Volumes which will provide names of the books and authors as well as some selective passages' English Translation that will be helpful in finding some of the mentioned books in some archives/repositories. Thereafter, there is a lot of literature available in National Library Calcutta and National Archives of India on medieval Indian History and culture.
    Thanks for not asking me to invent a time machine, to go back in time, and verify that what you have said was just like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    You will appreciate that this forum is history section [not general discussion forum ] where one is expected to post such material as may be substantiated with reference material !
    Thanks for your sound advice, but I am yet to come across a post (in this section) where you have substantiated anything with any sources. Your sources are vague, and often you advice others to read through a multitude of books. While your "genuine" desire that everybody should go through every book that you suggest, for every one or two liner that you write, is appreciable, I think it hardly falls within the definition of substantiating with sources.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Buddhists who were mostly Jats.
    Does this require as much leap of faith as your statement, "Indeed many of the Muslims are Jats !" ??

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  22. #75
    Kindly read the following extract from the wiki page of the jatland.com and find out whether there are many Jats among Muslims or not:

    The census in 1931 in India recorded population on the basis of ethnicity. In 1925, according to Professor Qanungo[24] the population of Jatts was around nine million in South Asia and was made up of followers of three major religions as shown below.



    Religion Jat Population %
    Hinduism 47%
    Sikhism 20%
    Islam 33%

    Professor B.S. Dhillon, states by taking population statistical analysis into consideration the Jatt population growth of both India and Pakistan since 1925, Professor Quanungo's figure of nine million could be translated into a minimum population statistic (1988) of 30 million.[25]

    According to earlier census reports, the Jati or Jat people accounted for approximately 25% of the entire Sindhi-Punjabi speaking area, making it the one of "largest single socially distinctive group" in the region.[26]
    Hukum Singh Pawar (Pauria) states, adequate statistics about Jat people population are available in the Census Report of India of 1931, which is the last and the most comprehensive source of information on the Jat people, who were estimated to be approximately ten million in number at that time.[27] From 1931 to 1988 the estimated increase in the Jat people population of the Indian subcontinent
    including Pakistan respectively is 3.5% Hindu, 3.5% Sikh and 4.0% Muslim.[28] Dr Sukhbir Singh estimates that the population of Hindu Jatts, numbered at 2,210,945 in the 1931 census, rose to about 7,738,308 by 1988, whereas Muslim Jatts, numbered at 3,287,875 in 1931, would have risen to about 13,151,500 in 1988. The total population of Jatts was given as 8,406,375 in 1931, and estimated to have been about 31,066,253 in 1988.
    The region-wise break-up of the total Jatt people population (including the Jat Hindu, Jat Sikh and Jat Muslim) is given in the following table. The Jat people, approximately 73%, are located mainly in the Punjab region:[29]


    Name of region Jat Population 1931 Jat Population 1988 Approx
    Percentage
    Punjab region 6,068,302 22,709,755 73 %
    Rajasthan 1,043,153 3,651,036 12 %
    Uttar Pradesh 810,114 2,845,244 9.2 %
    Jammu & Kashmir 148,993 581,477 2 %
    Balochistan 93,726 369,365 1.2 %
    NWFP 76,327 302,700 1 %
    Bombay Presidency 54,362 216,139 0.7 %
    Delhi 53,271 187,072 0.6 %
    CP & Brar 28,135 98,473 0.3 %
    Ajmer-Marwar 29,992 104,972 0.3 %
    Total 8,406,375 31,066,253 100 %
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  23. #76
    Dear friend Dr. Janghu, there are 'many Muslim Jats' in some people's imaginary world only. Islam doesn't support casteism and thus Jats practising Islam are no more Jats as in that case either they are Muslim or they are Jats. And they are Muslim by their names and customs, so they are no more Jats. Though I am not against them, but when I see their hostile attitude towards Hindu Jats, then I compel to think that they are our enemy now like other Muslims.

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  25. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by sahij View Post
    I appreciate your consistency when you ask others to quote sources, while you yourself get away by just asking others to "read some good books". May be you consider yourself God in History, or at least the historical version of Prophet Muhammad, that whatever you say is to be treated as a word of God himself/herself.



    Thanks for being so kind as to condescend to reply to my "scholarly findings", but may be it is me, however, I couldn't find where I quoted my "views in reply to questions raised by other members in their posts also to justify that the replies posted by you [me] are something concrete results". Anyway,



    Well you can treat it like that, for that is one way of avoiding uncomfortable questions on your assertions which become eternal truths from the very fact that they have been placed amidst us by you.

    You haven't answered a single one of my questions. Not only that you give a vague rebuttal which includes enhancing my knowledge by reading through middle class history. While I appreciate your concern for my historical well being, you are acting more like a school teacher who thinks everybody his pupil, than a sound reasoning individual.



    Thanks for not asking me to invent a time machine, to go back in time, and verify that what you have said was just like that.



    Thanks for your sound advice, but I am yet to come across a post (in this section) where you have substantiated anything with any sources. Your sources are vague, and often you advice others to read through a multitude of books. While your "genuine" desire that everybody should go through every book that you suggest, for every one or two liner that you write, is appreciable, I think it hardly falls within the definition of substantiating with sources.



    Does this require as much leap of faith as your statement, "Indeed many of the Muslims are Jats !" ??
    Thanks. I fall flat before your weighty arguments and have nothing to say in my defense; would you kindly excuse me if I still continue to say that 'There are many Jats who profess Islam, too.'
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  26. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by upendersingh View Post
    Dear friend Dr. Janghu, there are 'many Muslim Jats' in some people's imaginary world only. Islam doesn't support casteism and thus Jats practising Islam are no more Jats as in that case either they are Muslim or they are Jats. And they are Muslim by their names and customs, so they are no more Jats. Though I am not against them, but when I see their hostile attitude towards Hindu Jats, then I compel to think that they are our enemy now like other Muslims.
    Dear Sir,
    As far as I remember when Mr Tarar became President of Pakistan few years back, at that time Pakistani and Indian press wrote " Jat becomes President of Pakistan" I don't know how and why they defined and derived the concept. Further, jats, residing in parts of Bhiwani and Hisar districts of Haryana celebrated his elevation as Pak President and distributed ladoos publicly.

    sorry for interuption

    Namaskar

  27. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    I still continue to say that 'There are many Jats who profess Islam, too.'
    Sir ji,
    It's quite understandable that Jats who profess Islam now no more fall in the Jat category. Thing which need to clear here is that since their Jat identity has been dissolved with Islam. hence, they can't be considered as Jat anymore.
    As we know according to Islam no caste based discrimination is allowed. Now correct statement should be : There are some muslims who have been Jat in past still carry their jat traits (not identity) but can't be recognised as jats after their dissolution with Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ayushkadyan View Post
    Sir ji,
    It's quite understandable that Jats who profess Islam now no more fall in the Jat category. Thing which need to clear here is that since their Jat identity has been dissolved with Islam. hence, they can't be considered as Jat anymore.
    As we know according to Islam no caste based discrimination is allowed. Now correct statement should be : There are some muslims who have been Jat in past still carry their jat traits (not identity) but can't be recognised as jats after their dissolution with Islam.
    Kindly elaborate further the difference between Jat traits and Jat Identity please !
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