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  1. #21
    कुछ धर्म के सौदागरों द्वारा की गयी मशहूरी सुनकर मुझे भी ये फिल्म देखनी पड़ी I खामखाँ की हाय तौबा मचा रखी है I बॉलीवुड के routine कूड़े कबाड़ से हट कर ये एक ठीक ठाक फिल्म है जो अंधविश्वास और धर्म के कारोबारीकरण पर अच्छी चोट करती है I हाँ थोड़ा सा इस्लामी कट्टरपन और पैसे के बल पर दुनिया भर में ईसाई मिशनरीज द्वारा किये जाने वाले धर्म परिवर्तन पर भी बराबर जोर दिया जा सकता था, जिसका अनुपात मुझे थोड़ा कम नज़र आया I हिन्दु अन्धविश्वाश से कहीं अधिक खतरा आज इस्लाम के नाम पर कुछ जंगली जानवरों द्वारा फैलाया जा रहा आतंकवाद है जिसको फिल्मों में तवज्जोह दी जानी बहुत जरूरी है I हिन्दु उग्रवाद और अन्धविश्वास उसके सामने कम चिंता का विषय है, क्योंकि यह तो सिर्फ एक देश के कुछ भागों में ही है और उसे भी शिक्षित समाज का काफ़ी बड़ा हिस्सा धीरे धीरे नकारता जा रहा है I लेकिन आतंकवाद का खात्मा धर्म के नाम पर उन्माद फैला कर नहीं किया जा सकता I ये काम सरकारी तंत्र, जैसे सुरक्षा एजेंसियों, फ़ौज़,पुलिस और गुप्तचर विभाग का है न की धर्म के सौदागरों का I अगर उन्हें फिल्म की कहानी पसंद नहीं है तो सेंसर बोर्ड से शिकायत कर सकते हैं I धार्मिक गुंडागर्दी फैलाकर कला का गला घोंटने की आज़ादी प्रजातंत्र में किसी को नहीं होनी चाहिए I वैसे भी इस फिल्म का निर्माता, निदेशक और कहानीकार हिन्दु ही हैं और सिर्फ इसीलिये इसका विरोध करना कि इसमें मुख्य कलाकार मुस्लिम है तथ्यों को तोड़ने मरोड़ने वाली बात है I

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  3. #22
    Well Movie is not Anti-Hindu actually..
    We can say its Anti-Baba and blind worship of them and against business people doing in name of religion, In Haryana this happen a lot

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  5. #23
    Pakhand aur andhvishvash ke upar yadi koi roshni dalta hai to usme burai hi kya hai? Hindus ko practical rasta choose karna chahiye na ki pakhand ka rasta. Yahi baat Christians ne apnai hai.

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  7. #24
    The above posts indicate mixed reactions and that it is for the onlookers how they re-act to whatever 'reality' presented in the movie !

    Moral : Do not base your reaction on the basis of hearsay !
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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  9. #25
    So, what you are saying is that superstition (andh-vishwas) and other evils are prevalent only in Hindu religion. Other religions are perfect?

    Why no film on Islamic or Christian practices? Because they are perfect.

    Hypocrisy and double standards at its best.
    Quote Originally Posted by amitbudhwar View Post
    Pakhand aur andhvishvash ke upar yadi koi roshni dalta hai to usme burai hi kya hai? Hindus ko practical rasta choose karna chahiye na ki pakhand ka rasta. Yahi baat Christians ne apnai hai.

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  11. #26
    What I asked people on social media in purview of different views:

    "पी के" फिल्म पर आमिर खान को पानी पी-पी के कोसने वाले हिन्दुओं से एक सवाल:
    मुझे एक बात समझ नहीं आ रही, आपका हिंदुत्व तब कहाँ गया था जब यही आमिर खान इनके सत्यमेव जयते शो से ले के विभिन्न टी. वी. डिबेटों में जाटों की खापों पर पता नहीं क्या-क्या लांछन लगा रहा था| या जब यह मीडिया वाले इनके विभिन्न न्यूज़ शोज में और प्रिंट मीडिया वाले विभिन्न अखबारों में जाटों और खापों के खिलाफ पिछले एक दशक से मोर्चा बांधते आ रहे थे? और सारा गैर-जाट हिन्दू समाज जाटों और खापों पे चटकारे ले ले के हंस रहा होता था? वो भी बावजूद इसके कि खापें सिर्फ जाटों की ही नहीं बल्कि दिल्ली के चारों ओर 300 किलोमीटर के दायरे के भारत में छत्तीस बिरादरी की होती आई, फर्क सिर्फ इतना ही तो है ना कि खापों में जाटों की बहुलता मात्र है?
    क्या जाट हिन्दू नहीं, क्या खापें हिन्दू धर्म का हिस्सा नहीं? वस्तुत: नहीं ही होंगे तभी तो सिवाय जाटों को छोड़ के छत्तीस बिरादरी की होती आई खापों की बेइज्जती पे एक भी गैर-जाट हिन्दू का हल्क नहीं गरजा|
    जाटों के युवाओ इससे भी अच्छे तरीके से आँखें खोलने को मैं इससे अच्छा उदाहरण और कहाँ से लाऊँ? यह हिन्दू गैर-जाट बात पे कितने जल्दी एक हो जाते हैं, परन्तु जब तुम्हारी अपनी मान-मान्यताओं की धज्जियाँ उड़ाई जा रही हैं होती हैं तो बोलना तो दूर अपितु यह खुद धज्जियाँ उड़ा रहे होते हैं|
    आज आमिर खान को कोसा जा रहा है, कि उसने इस्लाम की गलत चीजों को क्यों नहीं दिखाया, क्या कोई मीडिया वाला (याद रहे 90% मीडिया वाले जो जाट और खाप के खिलाफ बोलते आये हैं वो हिन्दू ही हैं) बताएगा कि इन्होनें गैर-जाट हिन्दुओं की गलत चीजों को आजतक उसी तरीके से जाति और संस्था का टैग लगा के क्यों नहीं दिखाया जैसे जाट और खाप का दिखाते हैं?
    पूछो इनसे पूरे सोशल मीडिया पे चिल्ला-चिल्ला के, इनके ही औजार कलम की लेखनी से इनपे हल्ला बोल-बोल के| गूँज इतनी ऊँची करो कि मीडिया-हाऊसों तक जाये| चिपकाओ इस सवाल को सोशल मीडिया पे बैठे हर हिन्दू और हिन्दू मीडिया वाले की वाल पे| हर आरएसएस, बजरंग दल, हिन्दू परिषद, भागवत बाबा, तोगड़िया और सुबमण्यन स्वामी की वाल पे| और ये जितने भी "पी के" फिल्म को ले के रोना रोने वाले हैं इनकी वाल पे तो 'हा के' डालो ('हा के" का हरियाणवी में मतलब जरूर-से-जरूर)| - फूल मलिक
    One who doesn't know own roots and culture, their social identity is like a letter without address and they are culturally slave to philosophies of others.

    Reunion of Haryana state of pre-1857 is the best way possible to get Jats united.

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  13. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    So, what you are saying is that superstition (andh-vishwas) and other evils are prevalent only in Hindu religion. Other religions are perfect?

    Why no film on Islamic or Christian practices? Because they are perfect.

    Hypocrisy and double standards at its best.
    Bhaisaab, mera kehne ka matlab hai ki hume Islam thodi hi banna hai. Humme liberal hona chaahiye aur tolerant hona chahiye. Intolerance aur choti moti baato par haala bol nahi hona chahiye. Western world mei log jayadatar liberal type hote hai jab dharam ki baat aati hai. perfection to kahi bhi nahi hai.

  14. #28
    Amit bhai, Tolerant hona chahiye?? Kis hadd/limit tak????? Aaj apne religion ki be-izzati aur kal ko shayad apne bade-buzurgon ki be-izzati. Sahi kaha tolerant hona chahiye!!!!!

    Ek dusre ki bhawnaon ko thes pahunchana chhoti moti si baat. Sahi kaha!!

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  16. #29
    I shared my views on PK controversy on FB also which I share as under:

    Through ages, the cloistered theologians and their religious tantrums have been biggest impediment to the evolution and crystallization of a progressive outlook and its applicability to the evolutionary cycle of a civilization for ushering into a better, progressive and scientific society. The self-styled god-men, religious faith-heads of all shades, renegades, and fringe outfits of political parties as well as their intellectually bankrupt political masters have been imposing their archaic thoughts, outdated customs and useless rituals to perpetuate their domain of superstition, backwardness and blind faith in pursuit of their personal goals and self-aggrandizement. Anything new, be it film, painting or a book which militates against their outdated thoughts, makes them nervous. Nowadays, a cine movie named PK has made them nervous. I am not a regular cine-goer but the rowdiness of some lumpen elements attracted my attention too tempting me to watch the movie, which I did yesterday. I was amazed after watching the movie that why this hullabaloo. There is nothing in the film which would make it controversial. It is a movie worth watching which conveys an effective and good message against the evil practices in a comic and artistic fashion. This kind of attitude does not augur well for development of creative art and free flow of thoughts. Films are an effective tool for spreading awareness against social evils. Any attempt to suffocate the intellectuals and artists and to stop them from making progressive creations will only backfire in the long run. Could the contemporary tyrant rulers reverse or stop the scientific truths propounded by Galileo?

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  18. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    Amit bhai, Tolerant hona chahiye?? Kis hadd/limit tak????? Aaj apne religion ki be-izzati aur kal ko shayad apne bade-buzurgon ki be-izzati. Sahi kaha tolerant hona chahiye!!!!!

    Ek dusre ki bhawnaon ko thes pahunchana chhoti moti si baat. Sahi kaha!!
    Bhaijaan, bezatti ek alag baat hai aur pakhand ke upar se parda hatna ek alag. Kehne ka matlab hai samaj ko progressive banao. Samaz ko scientific banao aur practical banao. Angrezo ne ye baat bahut pehle samagh li thi aur hum 21st century mei bhi poorane jamane ka raag alaap rahe hai.

    Hindu samaj mei jo kuritiyan hai unhe ujagar karna chahiye. Na ka andha vishvaas karna chahiye. Practical soch se samaj aur aage badhega. Log jagrook honge aur progressive honge. Issi raste par chalkar hi humari bhalayi hai. Ab aap chini logo ko le lijiye. Wo log itna ho halla nahi karte dharmik muddo par. Unhone bhi scientific rasta apna liya hai. South Korea ko dekh lo, Japan ko dekh lo. Ye desh issi wagah se tarraki kar rahe hain. North Korea bechara ussi poorane taur tariko aur administration mei ulajh kar reh gaya hai. aab uska haal ye hai ki logo ko roti ke lale pade hue hai. Uske ulat South Korea ke log aag taraaki kar rahe hain. Itne kam samay mei aur humare se late aazad hote hue bhi aaj South Korea ek jabardast power hai. Kyon hai aisa? Kyonki unhone science or practical rasta apnaya hai. To kehne ka matlab hai, humme is tarah ki kurution ko chhod kar ek practical or progressive soch rakhni chahiye.

  19. #31
    Amit bhai,


    Mein apki baat se bilkul sahmat hoon ki practical aur scientific taur tarika apnana chahiye. Ismein koi do-rai nahi hae.

    Kya apka kehna yeh hae ki jo log mandir jaate hain ya pooja paath karte hain woh practical ya scientific bent of mind nahi rakhte. Aapne West, China, South Korea aur Japan ka uddharan diya hae. Kya wahan ke log Church, Budhist aur Shinto temples nahi jaate ya apne dharm ki pooja paath nahi karte???

    Hindu dharm ne kab aapko science, technology padhne se roka ya phir scientist, engineer, doctor banne se roka?????

    India aaj bhi backward iss liye nahi hae kyonki hum Hindu hain, balki iss liye kyonki hamare netaon ne humme loota aur humne apne aap ko lutwaya. Aapko kya lagta hae Swiss aur antar-rashtriye banko mein Bharat ka kala dhan pichhle ek do saalon se jamaa ho raha hae? Nahi, yeh lagbhag hamari aazadi ke samay se jamaa ho raha hae. Shayad aaj bhi desh azaad nahi hua, Gore sahab chale gaye aur Brown sahab aa gaye. In fact, one political party still is not independent - It has no existence besides the Gora sahab/memsahabs that rule over it.

    Kuritiyon ko theek karna achhi baat hae - Lekin sirf bolne se kuchh nahi hoga. Uske liye kuchh karna bhi hoga jaise Raja Ram Mohan Roy ne kiya. Iss liye achha hota jo iss dharm ko gaali dete hain, woh bahar nikal ke usse reform karne ke liye kuchh karte.

    Finally, aaj kal waise bhi fashionable ho gaya hae - blame any and every wrong on Hindu religion.

    My question still remains unanswered - If criticizing Hinduism (or the so called wrong in it) through a movie is creativity, art and intellectualism, WHY NO SUCH ART, CREATIVITY AND INTELLECTUALLISM WHEN IT COMES TO ISLAM, SIKHISM OR CHRISTIANITY. I guess these are perfect for the enlightened souls.

    Quote Originally Posted by amitbudhwar View Post
    Bhaijaan, bezatti ek alag baat hai aur pakhand ke upar se parda hatna ek alag. Kehne ka matlab hai samaj ko progressive banao. Samaz ko scientific banao aur practical banao. Angrezo ne ye baat bahut pehle samagh li thi aur hum 21st century mei bhi poorane jamane ka raag alaap rahe hai.

    Hindu samaj mei jo kuritiyan hai unhe ujagar karna chahiye. Na ka andha vishvaas karna chahiye. Practical soch se samaj aur aage badhega. Log jagrook honge aur progressive honge. Issi raste par chalkar hi humari bhalayi hai. Ab aap chini logo ko le lijiye. Wo log itna ho halla nahi karte dharmik muddo par. Unhone bhi scientific rasta apna liya hai. South Korea ko dekh lo, Japan ko dekh lo. Ye desh issi wagah se tarraki kar rahe hain. North Korea bechara ussi poorane taur tariko aur administration mei ulajh kar reh gaya hai. aab uska haal ye hai ki logo ko roti ke lale pade hue hai. Uske ulat South Korea ke log aag taraaki kar rahe hain. Itne kam samay mei aur humare se late aazad hote hue bhi aaj South Korea ek jabardast power hai. Kyon hai aisa? Kyonki unhone science or practical rasta apnaya hai. To kehne ka matlab hai, humme is tarah ki kurution ko chhod kar ek practical or progressive soch rakhni chahiye.

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  21. #32
    ‪pk‬ फिल्म किसी इस्लामिक देश में बनी होती, तो अब तक मुल्ले आमिर खां की मुण्डी से बच्चे फ़ुटबाल खेल रहे होते। भारत के सहिष्णु हिन्दू हैं यहाँ सब चलता है।
    India and Israel (Hindus & Jews) are true friends in this World. Both are Long Live and yes also both have survived and surviving under adverse conditions.

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  23. #33
    pk आईएसआई + दुबई द्वारा वित्त पोषित है ।
    India and Israel (Hindus & Jews) are true friends in this World. Both are Long Live and yes also both have survived and surviving under adverse conditions.

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  25. #34
    यदि इस्लाम पर मुल्ले आमिर ने फिल्म बनाई तो आईएसआईएस वाले इसकी मुण्डी काटकर ले जायेंगे और मुल्ले आमिर की मुण्डी से फुटबॉल खेलते हुए वीडियो बनाएँगे।
    India and Israel (Hindus & Jews) are true friends in this World. Both are Long Live and yes also both have survived and surviving under adverse conditions.

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  27. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by rajpaldular View Post
    यदि इस्लाम पर मुल्ले आमिर ने फिल्म बनाई तो आईएसआईएस वाले इसकी मुण्डी काटकर ले जायेंगे और मुल्ले आमिर की मुण्डी से फुटबॉल खेलते हुए वीडियो बनाएँगे।
    Aap astrologer bhi hai kya Sir.....Hindu kuch nahi bigad paaye Aamir Khan ka aur aap ab ISIS ki taraf aasha lagaye baithe hai...:D
    "All I am trying to do is bridge the gap between Jats and Rest of World"

    As I shall imagine, so shall I become.

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  29. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by rajpaldular View Post
    ‪pk‬ फिल्म किसी इस्लामिक देश में बनी होती, तो अब तक मुल्ले आमिर खां की मुण्डी से बच्चे फ़ुटबाल खेल रहे होते। भारत के सहिष्णु हिन्दू हैं यहाँ सब चलता है।
    अब तो आप ही की सरकार है हज़ूर, यह फ़िल्म आपके सेंसर बोर्ड ने पास क्यों कर दी i उतरवा द्यो चेयरमैन की फीती, घणी ए तकलीफ़ सै तो i

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  31. #37
    Very right Rajpal ji,

    The enlightened souls attack the faith from which they know they will not get any retaliation. At best there will be stoning of a few cinema halls, few disruptions of shows and burning of effigies. Nothing more!

    Their art, intellectualism and creativity disappears when it comes to portray the practices in Islam. They know very well that they would be decapitated as is being done in ISIL and Nigeria. We all know what was done to Theo Von Gogh who made the film Submission. He was butchered in cold blood in broad daylight on a busy street.

    The so called enlightened souls will always be hypocrites and follow double standards to the extent possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by rajpaldular View Post
    यदि इस्लाम पर मुल्ले आमिर ने फिल्म बनाई तो आईएसआईएस वाले इसकी मुण्डी काटकर ले जायेंगे और मुल्ले आमिर की मुण्डी से फुटबॉल खेलते हुए वीडियो बनाएँगे।
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbhikRana View Post
    Very right Rajpal ji,

    The enlightened souls attack the faith from which they know they will not get any retaliation. At best there will be stoning of a few cinema halls, few disruptions of shows and burning of effigies. Nothing more!

    Their art, intellectualism and creativity disappears when it comes to portray the practices in Islam. They know very well that they would be decapitated as is being done in ISIL and Nigeria. We all know what was done to Theo Von Gogh who made the film Fitna. He was butchered in cold blood in broad daylight on a busy street.

    The so called enlightened souls will always be hypocrites and follow double standards to the extent possible.
    Before squarely blaming the 'enlightened souls' and the 'intellectuals', you should have checked the establishment's viewpoint, which happens to be of your own taste and choice. Now, there are two questions; i) does the film censor board enjoy some sanctity ii) if not, what action the government has taken against it.

    It should also be made clear as to whether the country should be run by an elected government and its constitutional institutions or by a mob orchestrated by the rowdy fringe groups. There has to be some clarity whether we want to sustain democracy or a mobocracy. Frankly speaking, we are fed up with your hollow intellectualism and hackneyed preachings. Please come clean on the dichotomy of governance as pointed out by me above. In simple and plain language, who is running the country - the elected government or the fringe groups consisting of overtly superstitious, brazenly casteist, rank opportunists and the lumpen elements of this country. Please try to give a brief and to the point reply.

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  35. #39
    My question to all the apologetic Hindus remains unanswered:

    If criticizing Hinduism (or the so called wrong in it) through a movie is creativity, art and intellectualism, WHY NO SUCH ART, CREATIVITY AND INTELLECTUALLISM WHEN IT COMES TO ISLAM, SIKHISM OR CHRISTIANITY.

    Hypocrisy and double standards.

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    Though sporadic incidents of opposition from here and there continue against the film, yet U P Government grants tax free concession to PK shows.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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