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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by RathiJi View Post
    Boycott Pk ? for showing imaginary Lord Shiva worshiped by millions in a bad light, showing idol worshiping practiced by many as most stupid act of mankind, pasting pictures of other dieties as absconders. No these reasons are not enough to protest for a film.

    On the contrary, publishing just a cartoon of Mohammad against the worldwide protest of a movie "innocence of muslims" could result in this.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...836139681.html

    Are we not living in a world where we can say that Shiva , Ganesha, Hanuman etc are imaginary gods whom fools worship but Allah, Jesus, Mohammad etc are real ones. Idol worshiping is stupid but going to Hajj , throwing stones on Shaitaan not. Pouring milk is a waste but sacrificing millions of animals in the name of god is not.

    I hope some sense prevails to western countries as well as India before more people lose their lives because of this fanaticism.

    भाई जी,

    सच्ची बात तो ये है क़ि लोग हिन्दू धर्म में मिलने वाली छूट का भरपूर फायदा उठा रहे है| जिसकी जो मर्ज़ी है वो बोल देता है| कोई कहने सुनने वाला तो है नहीं| जिस धर्म का सम्मान उसके अनुयायी नही कर सकते और कोई क्या करेगा|

    अगर तार्किक विश्लेषण करे तो हर धर्म में कुछ ना कुछ बुराइयाँ है| पर क्यो हम अपने धर्म को ही नीचा दिखाने पर तुले हुए है| अगर किसी को हिंदू धर्म में कुछ ग़लत दिखाई देता है तो आपको पूरी छूट है कि आप उस चीज़ को ना माने| कोई आपको किसी चीज़ को मानने के लिए बाध्य नही कर सकता| पर अफ़सोस है कि लोग हिंदू धर्म की हर ग़लत चीज़ का ठीकरा ब्राह्मणो के सर फोड़कर बच निकलने की कोशिश करते है|

    ये तो वही हुआ जैसे हर घटना के पीछे आईएसआई का हाथ बताकर सरकार अपनी ज़िम्मेदारी से पल्ला झाड़ ले|

    क्या कभी हम अपने अंदर झाँककर देखेंगे| कि क्यो हम डेरो, बाबाओ के भक्त बन जाते है क्यूँ हम शिरडी तक पहुँच जाते है| यह हमारी व्यक्तिगत आस्था है| फिर इसका दोष धर्म को क्यों दिया जाए| कब तक हम अपनी ग़लतियो के लिए दूसरो को ज़िम्मेदार ठहराएंगे|
    कभी तो जागेंगे हम हिंदू|
    Last edited by ayushkadyan; January 7th, 2015 at 09:41 PM.
    I have a fine sense of the ridiculous, but no sense of humor.

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  3. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by ayushkadyan View Post
    भाई जी,

    सच्ची बात तो ये है क़ि लोग हिन्दू धर्म में मिलने वाली छूट का भरपूर फायदा उठा रहे है| जिसकी जो मर्ज़ी है वो बोल देता है| कोई कहने सुनने वाला तो है नहीं| जिस धर्म का सम्मान उसके अनुयायी नही कर सकते और कोई क्या करेगा|

    अगर तार्किक विश्लेषण करे तो हर धर्म में कुछ ना कुछ बुराइयाँ है| पर क्यो हम अपने धर्म को ही नीचा दिखाने पर तुले हुए है| अगर किसी को हिंदू धर्म में कुछ ग़लत दिखाई देता है तो आपको पूरी छूट है कि आप उस चीज़ को ना माने| कोई आपको किसी चीज़ को मानने के लिए बाध्य नही कर सकता| पर अफ़सोस है कि लोग हिंदू धर्म की हर ग़लत चीज़ का ठीकरा ब्राह्मणो के सर फोड़कर बच निकलने की कोशिश करते है|

    ये तो वही हुआ जैसे हर घटना के पीछे आईएसआई का हाथ बताकर सरकार अपनी ज़िम्मेदारी से पल्ला झाड़ ले|

    क्या कभी हम अपने अंदर झाँककर देखेंगे| कि क्यो हम डेरो, बाबाओ के भक्त बन जाते है क्यूँ हम शिरडी तक पहुँच जाते है| यह हमारी व्यक्तिगत आस्था है| फिर इसका दोष धर्म को क्यों दिया जाए| कब तक हम अपनी ग़लतियो के लिए दूसरो को ज़िम्मेदार ठहराएंगे|
    कभी तो जागेंगे हम हिंदू|
    Exactly. Because they are fearful of Islam and its deeply inserted in their heart by Islamists. They can't talk about it the same way they talk about Hinduism.

    They can show intellect by badmouthing, abusing Hinduism day & night because they know if fun on Lord Shiva is made then PK earns 300 crores and on Mohammad 12 dead & counting.

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  5. #83
    Salman rushdie gave a strong message today. I wonder why his book "satanic verses" was banned in India.....it was not violation of freedom of expression and liberalism? I don't have much idea about that..any bhai can enlighten me?

    If I see nothing wrong in PK, I see nothing wrong in cartoons also...we as a country should condemn this act
    Become more and more innocent, less knowledgeable and more childlike. Take life as fun - because that's precisely what it is!

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  7. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    Salman rushdie gave a strong message today. I wonder why his book "satanic verses" was banned in India.....it was not violation of freedom of expression and liberalism? I don't have much idea about that..any bhai can enlighten me?

    If I see nothing wrong in PK, I see nothing wrong in cartoons also...we as a country should condemn this act
    Muslim vote bank politics & appeasement. You can find that book easily on internet. Hitoshi Igarashi, Japanese translator of this book already got murdered long back by Islamic people and Rushdie is still in a kind of exile under 24*7 protection.

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  9. #85
    #He is promoting that Pakistani can't be dishonest.

    #Somehow he is trying to say that there is only one religion and that is Islam.

    #I don't know why this guy so much attach to Pakistan. Wishing someone Happy New Year, Holi, Diwali and Christmas is crime in Islam. Are they really Human?

    #He has zero knowledge of Hinduism. He don't know about Rishi-Muni, Shadaana, Sanyasi, Bhiksu, Parivrajaka, Tapasvi, Brahmachari, yati.

    #Few years before He was Face of Islamic Terror In Fanna Movie.

  10. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by ManjeetS View Post
    #He is promoting that Pakistani can't be dishonest.

    #Somehow he is trying to say that there is only one religion and that is Islam.

    #I don't know why this guy so much attach to Pakistan. Wishing someone Happy New Year, Holi, Diwali and Christmas is crime in Islam. Are they really Human?

    #He has zero knowledge of Hinduism. He don't know about Rishi-Muni, Shadaana, Sanyasi, Bhiksu, Parivrajaka, Tapasvi, Brahmachari, yati.

    #Few years before He was Face of Islamic Terror In Fanna Movie.
    yeh padhiye yeh mulla kya kah raha hai..kya center main baithi BJP sarkaar main itna dum nahi ki iski G*** peet de samhaar ke...

    kya VHP, bajrang dal , shivsena main itna dum nahi ki amir khan aur rajkumar hirani ke sar pe reward bol de?


    http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/bs...ome-topstories
    Become more and more innocent, less knowledgeable and more childlike. Take life as fun - because that's precisely what it is!

  11. #87
    But movie is not made by him. He is just a paid actor.
    जागरूक ती अज्ञानी नहीं बनाया जा सके, स्वाभिमानी का अपमान नहीं करा जा सके , निडर ती दबाया नहीं जा सके भाई नुए सामाजिक क्रांति एक बार आ जे तो उसती बदला नहीं जा सके ---ज्याणी जाट।

    दोस्त हो या दुश्मन, जाट दोनुआ ने १०० साल ताईं याद राखा करे

  12. #88
    http://www.ndtv.com/article/blog/i-s...ome-topstories

    Good article by Mohd. asim

    Mohd Asim is Senior News Editor, NDTV 24x7)

    The cartoonists are dead and the Prophet of Islam is caricatured, diminished, shamed.

    The horrific attack by some loonies on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo has left the world stunned and outraged. There is a personal sense of angst in me as those killed were journalists and the target was a magazine.

    My grief and anger is multiplied by the fact that the perpetrators of this barbarity claimed to uphold what is also my faith by birth. They sprayed bullets on some of the most creative minds because they dared to draw some cartoons of the Prophet of Islam.

    This is not the first time that the self-appointed defenders of the Prophet and the faith have gone bonkers. There was the Danish newspaper episode some years ago. Then more recently there was a youTube video, again lampooning the Prophet. Both invited severe protests and attacks on western nations' embassasies in several countries. The Danish cartoonist also survived several bids on his life. While the protests over these distasteful portrayals of the Prophet (especially the YouTube video) are justified, the violence and attacks on institutions and individuals are plain criminal acts.

    Before hurling stones or spraying bullets, these short-fuse idiots who claim to be the followers of the Prophet need to ask themselves a question. What has prompted these cartoons? Political cartoonists make fun of stupid and notorious individuals, societies and institution. And there is no harm in that. No politician, group or individual has escaped the satirical stroke of the cartoonists. Even in case of Charlie Hebdo, all religions and their leaders, from Jesus to Muhammad, are painted with the same humorous brush.

    Those angry at the Prophet's cartoons need to ask themselves what turned their Prophet from messenger of peace to a terrorist in the imagination of the cartoonists? A cartoonist reacts to what's happening around, what's been talked about. Can't expect everyone to read the life history of your prophet and form an opinion for themselves. It's the doings of the followers that give most people their impressions about a faith or any organisation.

    It's no secret that many among Muslims have projected the worst interpretations of the message of the Prophet and the Quran. The whole world knows about the promised 72 virgins, the four wives, the most medieval anti-women laws being paraded in the name of sharia. But so few have helped focus on the teachings of compassion, tolarance, respect for other faiths, gender justice that is all so intrinsic to the life of Mohammad. So whose failure is it?

    Muslims extremists need to ponder if they are blaming others for their own failings. Anyone mocking the Prophet or Islam is actually lampooning the followers and the image that they present of their messenger and religion.

    Another important question that every Muslim must ask himself/herself in that moment of rage when he/she sees something as insulting to Muslims' faith is 'What Would Mohammed Do?' Every Muslim is taught from the childhood, apart from a lot other forgettable nonsense in the name of Islam, how tolerant the Prophet was to criticism and abuse. Today, the crazy defenders of the Prophet are blinded by their rage.

    The Paris attackers shouted "We have avenged the Prophet" while spraying bullets on the magazine staff. Each one of their bullets actually killed their Prophet 100 times. Those cartoonist and journalists will stay alive in our imaginations as martyrs for the cause of free speech, but the blood stains on the image of the Prophet will be difficult to clean.

    The proof of it is that today, hundreds of cartoonists have taken revenge for the attack on free speech through that mighty weapon - a pen. There are scores of cartoons in magazines, newspapers and magazines today. They are being shared online by lakhs, retweeted by millions. And I see a Mohammed in all these cartoons.
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  14. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by RathiJi View Post
    Muslim vote bank politics & appeasement. You can find that book easily on internet. Hitoshi Igarashi, Japanese translator of this book already got murdered long back by Islamic people and Rushdie is still in a kind of exile under 24*7 protection.
    Brahman and muslims, these two communities are being appeased in India...ek ko bharat ratan baatein ja rahe hain...aur dosre ki to poccho hi mat!
    Become more and more innocent, less knowledgeable and more childlike. Take life as fun - because that's precisely what it is!

  15. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by VirJ View Post
    But movie is not made by him. He is just a paid actor.

    Terrorists kill people because they get paid by someone.

  16. #91
    Sound logic ?! but why not say a word about the guy who made the movie because he is a hindu?
    जागरूक ती अज्ञानी नहीं बनाया जा सके, स्वाभिमानी का अपमान नहीं करा जा सके , निडर ती दबाया नहीं जा सके भाई नुए सामाजिक क्रांति एक बार आ जे तो उसती बदला नहीं जा सके ---ज्याणी जाट।

    दोस्त हो या दुश्मन, जाट दोनुआ ने १०० साल ताईं याद राखा करे

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  18. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    yeh padhiye yeh mulla kya kah raha hai..kya center main baithi BJP sarkaar main itna dum nahi ki iski G*** peet de samhaar ke...

    kya VHP, bajrang dal , shivsena main itna dum nahi ki amir khan aur rajkumar hirani ke sar pe reward bol de?

    Advani enjoyed the movie a lot. Amir khan has two face. He is trying to be super hero of India, In fact he is agent of Islam.

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  20. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by VirJ View Post
    Sound logic ?! but why not say a word about the guy who made the movie because he is a hindu?
    Everything has a logic, Script always developed by Actors. and Stories are made by Director and Writer.

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  22. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by VirJ View Post
    Sound logic ?! but why not say a word about the guy who made the movie because he is a hindu?
    Bhai..rajkumar hirani ke upper bol do inaam..koi dikkat nahi
    Become more and more innocent, less knowledgeable and more childlike. Take life as fun - because that's precisely what it is!

  23. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by ManjeetS View Post
    Everything has a logic, Script always developed by Actors. and Stories are made by Director and Writer.
    Acha re Story jisne likhi, peese jisne lagaye, film jisne banayi, jisne direct kari uska koi kasoor nahi. Vo jo tinger shiv ban raha tha vo bhi hindu e hoga.

    Film ne dekhan bhi sabte jayada hindu e gaye !
    जागरूक ती अज्ञानी नहीं बनाया जा सके, स्वाभिमानी का अपमान नहीं करा जा सके , निडर ती दबाया नहीं जा सके भाई नुए सामाजिक क्रांति एक बार आ जे तो उसती बदला नहीं जा सके ---ज्याणी जाट।

    दोस्त हो या दुश्मन, जाट दोनुआ ने १०० साल ताईं याद राखा करे

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  25. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by ManjeetS View Post
    Advani enjoyed the movie a lot. Amir khan has two face. He is trying to be super hero of India, In fact he is agent of Islam.
    Hambe, tere tayi phone karke batayi thi Advani ne.
    जागरूक ती अज्ञानी नहीं बनाया जा सके, स्वाभिमानी का अपमान नहीं करा जा सके , निडर ती दबाया नहीं जा सके भाई नुए सामाजिक क्रांति एक बार आ जे तो उसती बदला नहीं जा सके ---ज्याणी जाट।

    दोस्त हो या दुश्मन, जाट दोनुआ ने १०० साल ताईं याद राखा करे

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  27. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    yeh padhiye yeh mulla kya kah raha hai..kya center main baithi BJP sarkaar main itna dum nahi ki iski G*** peet de samhaar ke...

    kya VHP, bajrang dal , shivsena main itna dum nahi ki amir khan aur rajkumar hirani ke sar pe reward bol de?


    http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/bs...ome-topstories
    bahut saal pehle Yakub ki gharwali Sanjida Meerut mayor ke election me khadi hui thee or sushil Gujjar ki wife Madhu Gujjar BJP se. Iska launda college/university me aata tha support lene .Kuch Hindu as always support kar rahe the isse because of party politics... fir ek din ye iska baap Meerut ke Macheran mohalle ki sabha me wahi islam islam karne laga .... laundo ne isse keh diya ke ab aa gaya to thooth pitegi ... or Madhu Gujjar bhari mato se jeet gayi. Iska purana kaam hai ye nikhalis anpad hai katalkhane , kamele chala chala ke paisa kama rakha hai... bahenji ku 2-4 crore de de or ticket mil ja.

    Vo Meerut se kabhi nahi jeet sakta issliye is baar bahenji ne Moradabad bhej diya tha par waha bhi thooth pit di iski Kunwar Sarvesh ne.

    BJP govt ko iski aisi taisi karni chahiye... ab nahi to kabhi nahi... agar Yakub jaise logo ka kuch nahi kara to BJP ko koi nahi bacha sakta .

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  29. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by VirJ View Post
    Acha re Story jisne likhi, peese jisne lagaye, film jisne banayi, jisne direct kari uska koi kasoor nahi. Vo jo tinger shiv ban raha tha vo bhi hindu e hoga.

    Film ne dekhan bhi sabte jayada hindu e gaye !
    # No one said that it's not a fault of Director, Producer etc.

    # People do reaction on Action. Action has been done by Amir Khan. Actor is always a backbone for any movie. He is the main representative.

    # Amir khan always tried to show up mistakes in Hinduism. That's why he is on target point.

  30. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by VirJ View Post
    Hambe, tere tayi phone karke batayi thi Advani ne.
    Sorry brother, I got to knw from News Channel and he gave good reviews on it.
    Last edited by ManjeetS; January 8th, 2015 at 07:17 PM.

  31. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post

    Thanks. That was a good read.

    Below is the article by Dr Salman Akhtar(Brother of Javed Akhtar), an eminent psychiatrist about the psychoanalytical perspective of fundamentalism.

    A psychoanalytical perspective

    BY SALMAN AKHTAR

    A man urinates on himself and in the process he also breaks some expensive crockery as when the fit occurred he was sitting at the dining table. On another occasion the man who has epilepsy is driving a car when suddenly he has a seizure and as the car goes out of control many innocent people are killed. Obviously in such circumstances we have to take into consideration the kind of epilepsy he has, the manifestations of the seizure and which part of his body goes out of control, how unconscious he becomes et cetera and therefore how dangerous this situation can be. We must of course examine the consequences of the seizures on him and on things and people around him but to my mind those concerns pale in comparison to our wondering why this man has epilepsy and what causes this epilepsy.

    As physicians, I am a doctor myself, we certainly treat symptoms although that is not our preference. We treat symptoms if symptoms become very annoying but as good doctors we are most interested in pathology: What is causing the symptom? That is what we need to treat. The same thing applies to prejudice; the same thing applies to the topic at hand: fundamentalism. Certainly we should define it, certainly we should describe it, certainly we should think about its consequences but I think it is more important to worry about its causes. Why? What is the attraction? What pull, what hypnotic attraction does fundamentalism have that people succumb to it? And if we know why then we can devise remedial strategies that would go deeper and are not related merely to phenomena.

    What is fundamentalism? Please understand that when we talk of fundamentalism we are not talking of any particular religious group. We are not talking of Jews, we are not talking of Muslims, we are not talking of Hindus, we are not talking of Christians. We are not talking of any particular group because this is a human phenomenon and fundamentally or perhaps I shouldn’t use the word fundamentally, basically all human beings are more or less alike and all of us have struggled with basically similar kinds of problems. There are two problems that we all struggle with. In fact, all human problems can be boiled down to two fundamental problems. One, that some things are impossible and two, that a few others are prohibited. If you can swallow this bitter pill, I think you are fine (you’ll never need to see Dr. Sudhir Kakar, me or any other psychoanalyst!).

    When we say fundamentalism, we mean a complex set of five things that go together. First, there is a literal interpretation of some religious tract so what is written is no longer deciphered or deconstructed. It is not to be thought about, it is not to be given meaning, it is what it is. There is literalness to the interpretation – one. Second, there is an ethnocentric attitude. The fundamentalist says my belief, my religion, my book is the best one there is. So there is literalness and there is ethnocentricity. With that there is megalomania – We know and we have the solution and we can solve the problem; we know exactly what the problem is and we know exactly what the solution is. Megalomania, and then interestingly, a little spice, just as we add a little hing when we are cooking aloo gobi, a little spice of a sense of victimhood, a sense that we are endangered. Real or imaginary, it is a cultivated sense of delightful and delicious masochism, a masochism that will come very handy, as you will see. The imagined cultivated threat is what creates cohesion of the group and would then permit the enactment of violence towards others as a justified protective device. But this is merely a description. Why does fundamentalism have such a powerful appeal? If Marx called religion the opium of the people I believe fundamentalism is intravenous morphine.

    In my way of thinking, to be mentally healthy and to be sane is not an easy thing. Sanity comes with its own burdens. It is not easy to be mentally healthy. As psychoanalysts, psychotherapists, psychiatrists, clinical psychologists, we write volumes about mental illness and its struggles, about what is ill, what is not ill, what is normative and what is not normative, and what do normative and pathological have to do with each other and so on, but we pay inadequate attention to what is healthy and the problems of mental health. When Freud said that the purpose of psychoanalysis, clinical psychoanalysis, was to reduce neurotic suffering into day-to-day misery, what did he mean by day-to-day misery? That is what I think we need to understand. I think that sanity has its own burdens; mental health comes with many problems.

    There are six problems that mental health poses and it is these problems that fundamentalism solves. This is the key issue here because mental health comes with some baggage, some problems and some burdens, and fundamentalism is the treatment of those burdens. (You could say that fundamentalism is the cure for mental health!) The burdens of sanity are the following six things.

    1) Factual uncertainty. A mentally healthy person has to accept the fact that things are uncertain. We don’t really know what is about to happen and what can happen. Who knew that the tsunami would happen and that so many people would get killed? Who knew that 9/11 would happen? Some people knew, of course, but in general who knew that 9/11 was going to happen? And we don’t know, car accidents happen, you’re taking a flight to Bombay and the flight is cancelled or delayed, we don’t know. We don’t know what will happen, what happens, what is happening right now. You have no idea what is happening right now, not only in Calcutta but even in Karol Bagh. Things happen. A mentally healthy person has to understand that things are uncertain.

    2) Conceptual complexity. Matters are not simple, all matters are complex. How to get from Place A to Place B does not have only one path – it can have many paths. What does a phenomenon mean? Four people will leave this particular meeting and may describe it in entirely different ways. Our reaction to the vice chancellor’s leaving can be a complex reaction. Some people might respect him for the fact that he spared some time to come here and feel grateful for that. Some people might be annoyed at him for leaving. Some people might think that it was all a pretence, that he comes, just says a few words and leaves. Some people will say how humble and decent of him it was to take time out of his busy schedule, to walk over, give his blessings and shake people’s hands, and so on. The same phenomena can be interpreted in many ways. Conceptual complexity – things are not simple.

    3) The third burden of sanity is moral ambiguity. Freud said that there are two great human crimes: incest and parricide. Here Freud was right about incest, certainly. Why is incest such a horrible thing to do? Because it destroys the family structure and family is the unit of civilisation. So incest is an attack against civilisation. But parricide I’m not too sure about because the implication is that killing the mother is alright or killing a child is alright, infanticide is alright and matricide is alright. That is undeniably ridiculous but that was Freud’s own personal phallocentric bias. The correct word he should have used is homicide. Two fundamental human crimes are homicide and incest. Between these instances most things are actually ambiguous.

    Take the example of stealing. Is stealing bad? Of course stealing is bad, but let us suppose that your daughter is terribly, terribly ill, near death, and you have no money. Should you steal money, or medicines from a doctor’s cabinet? Of course! In fact, if you stand on ceremony, moral rights and righteousness at such a time that would be silly and that would be wrong. Murder? Certainly murder is wrong but sometimes murder in self-defence is the correct thing to do. And that’s what Krishna says to Arjuna in the Mahabharata, "Jo avashyak hai wahi uchit hai (What is necessary is therefore appropriate)". So there is ambiguity about morality. What seems right in one place becomes wrong in another place. What seems right today becomes wrong tomorrow, what was right in one era is not right in another era, what is right in a certain context is wrong in another context – moral ambiguity.

    4) Cultural impurity. A mentally healthy person realises that there is no such thing as purity. Purity, the search for purity, is the enemy of truth and the enemy and destroyer of reality. Reality is always hybrid whether we acknowledge it or not. I am an Indian who is an American psychoanalyst because I’ve been trained in certain modes of analysis that are prevalent in America. There is a psychoanalyst called Christopher Bollas whom you should read, he’s very good. He is an American but he is a British analyst because he is trained in the British tradition. Bhimsen Joshi is a South Indian, I think from Bangalore originally, but trained in the Patiala tradition. The sitar is born out of the hybrid mixtures of Afghani drone instruments and the southern rudra veena. All things are mixed up, all things are mixed up. I am speaking in a language that is predominantly British in origin, predominantly, not exclusively, but British in origin, with profound Latin, Greek, German ancestry. I am speaking it in an Indian accent (all I haven’t done is nod my head but I can do that too – "What yaar?"!) and here I am, having travelled on a German airline, Lufthansa.

    ....cont.
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