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Thread: Central Asian Origin or Jats and Gurjars. Gotras Khar/Khari

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The root words of "Jats" or "Juts" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutes

    may very well have the origin in Scythic/median or a similar language, why i say so? Because of the presence of root words like "Jute" and similar family names present in Asia and in Europe, this proves the fact that oral/verbal language existed before written language and the root words traveled with the migrating tribes.

    Now the main problem is analysis and deciphering of these ancient languages and a systematic study of tribal life and migration.
    The root words will be present in proto Indo European roots that stem out of central Asia and residing places of other related tribes.

  2. #22
    http://www.livius.org/mea-mem/media/media.html


    Still, it is reasonably clear that in the first quarter of the first millennium, nomadic cattle-herders speaking an Indo-Iranian language infiltrated the Zagros and settled among the native population. (The language of the newcomers can be reconstructed from loan words, personal names and toponyms.) The tribal warriors are mentioned for the first time in the AssyrianAnnals as enemies of Šalmaneser III (858-824). KURMa-da-a ("the land of the Medes") included the Zagros, "bordered on the salt desert" and "continued as far as the edge of Mount Bikni" (i.e., Mount Damavand, east of Tehran); its inhabitants were divided into several smaller clans, and although the Assyrian kings were able to subdue several of them, they never conquered all of Media.

    So, one thing is clear, this tribe of "Mada" or "Medes" came from central Asia and were nomadic cattle herders.

    Now the point is, which other tribes were present in central Asia? and what were their meta names or meta clans?



  3. #23
    So, one thing is clear, this tribe of "Mada" or "Medes" came from central Asia and were nomadic cattle herders.

    Now the point is, which other tribes were present in central Asia? and what were their meta names or meta clans?


    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 11th, 2014 at 06:35 PM.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Still, it is reasonably clear that in the first quarter of the first millennium, nomadic cattle-herders speaking an Indo-Iranian language infiltrated the Zagros and settled among the native population. (The language of the newcomers can be reconstructed from loan words, personal names and toponyms.) The tribal warriors are mentioned for the first time in the AssyrianAnnals as enemies of �almaneser III (858-824). KURMa-da-a ("the land of the Medes") included the Zagros, "bordered on the salt desert" and "continued as far as the edge of Mount Bikni" (i.e., Mount Damavand, east of Tehran); its inhabitants were divided into several smaller clans, and although the Assyrian kings were able to subdue several of them, they never conquered all of Media.

    So, one thing is clear, this tribe of "Mada" or "Medes" came from central Asia and were nomadic cattle herders.

    Now the point is, which other tribes were present in central Asia? and what were their meta names or meta clans?


    Thanks for providing very useful information to understand the movement of people in those days.

    It would be good if some light is thrown on the movement of people from Central Asia to India in those days.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Thanks for providing very useful information to understand the movement of people in those days.

    It would be good if some light is thrown on the movement of people from Central Asia to India in those days.
    If u study more, u will find, the nature gods of Aryans like Indra, Varuna, etc. and their description was already present in this empire and related later empires. It is interesting that in presence of these gods of nature worshiped by these nomadic tribes was already engraved on stones and rock inscriptions and these predates 1000 BC.
    Interestingly in India, there are no such inscriptions, whatever matter like Vedas, etc. are there, were in verbal form and were documented on " Bark of tree", etc. very late in history.

    I am even doubtful, if there are any Vedic inscriptions before 4th century AD, the last known Sycthian migration into mainland India.

    Whatever real facts were there would have been distorted due to blind religious following in India due to religion being a business for ages for certain sections of society and people. This has only disconnected us from rest of the world.

  7. #27
    If we see the time period of Scythian and Median dynasty rule, we see their time coincide:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...E2.80.93521_BC

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...80.93c._530_BC
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 11th, 2014 at 08:25 PM.

  8. #28
    Interesting map, which shows "Scythia" and "Media" side by side. Scythia being more towards central asia. This means, Scythians migrated to media at a later time period then media.

    http://www.crystalinks.com/chaldea.html

  9. #29
    There kind by the name of:
    last great king of Nineveh, Ashurbanipal (669-624 BC). Now this word is formed from two words : Ashur + banipal. We have a Jat gotra called "Banival", is it possible that this klan traces its ancestry to the mentioned king. We know the concept of Ashur and Sur.

    http://www.almanarco.com/english/history-of-iraq/


  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    There kind by the name of:
    last great king of Nineveh, Ashurbanipal (669-624 BC). Now this word is formed from two words : Ashur + banipal. We have a Jat gotra called "Banival", is it possible that this klan traces its ancestry to the mentioned king. We know the concept of Ashur and Sur.

    http://www.almanarco.com/english/history-of-iraq/

    It is interesting the word "Ashur" was considered noble and good in ancient Iran.

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  12. #32
    hi bro
    The word Aryan, is our tribal name if you like, to make it as simple as possiable for you to understand.At the beginning they were all one, about 4000 years ago they divided into two groups, half went into India and mixed with the Dravidians, the habitants of the Indian sub continent. The Dravidians who look like aboriginals from Australia mixing with the caucasian looking Aryans, the result being the way Indians look today. The name Aryan only survived amongst the Indian as more of the philosophical and spiritual term then anything else.The other half went into Iran ( medes, Persians and Parthians ) and some stayed in the steppes ( Scythians who divided into few other groupes such as:*Cimmerians, Sarmatians, Alans, Roxolanis, and Jazyges ).*comparing the Rig Vede to Avesta would explain the division.Divas are gods in Rig Veda, in Avesta Divas (Divs in Persian)*became Demons and Ahura Mazda the lord of wisdom has been mentiond as the only true god.And also has been mentioned that the Aryanem vaeja was the original homeland of the Aryans, which was the south of Aral sea modern day*
    its a copy and paste

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  14. #33
    Records of progenies in ancient times were kept in Bible and other ancient texts. Lot of wars were not fought in the name of religion in ancient Europe, this helped the old information and documents to be preserved in form of old fragments of Bible and their characters.

    Interesting fact is Biblical version of "Medes" connect them with one single person, whose children were formed different tribes of "Medes":

    Josephus relates the Medes (OT Heb. Madai) to the biblical character, Madai, son of Japheth. "Now as to Javan and Madai, the sons of Japhet; from Madai came the Madeans, who are called Medes, by the Greeks" Antiquities of the Jews, I:6.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 12th, 2014 at 09:04 AM.

  15. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It is interesting the word "Ashur" was considered noble and good in ancient Iran.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assurbanipal

  16. #35
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_Empire

    It is interesting to see that "Akkadian Empire" predates "Mede Empire". Arrival of "Mede" to North West of Iran happened very late in this time scale. This could very well mean, that "Mede" were living in central Asia before their arrival in the north west Iran. This connects them with "Indo European Tribal roots". Where as "Akkadians" or "Kadians" as well them in Jats moved from central Asia to Middle east much earlier on time scale.

    One of the words that has its derivation origin for Gujjars is "Khakzar". "Khakzar" was an ancient "King" but we must remember he was just one person, so all the family names of "Gujjars" can not own their origin to "Khakzar", so the origin of word "Gujjar" from "Khakzar" is not accepted. As there are lot of clans in "Gujjars" who have very different family names and have different "root words" or "origins" which overlap with "Jats" and other tribes of that time period.

    One of the clan names for "Jats" is "Bud Gujjar", "Bud means big", which could very well mean the spread of "Jats" or the Klanish identity of Jats or it can also mean the "Older origins of Jats which exist in Indo European tribes and people" one proof of this is the presence of "Family names and root words used by Jat people which are also found very similar to lot of people and tribes in Europe"
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 12th, 2014 at 09:09 AM.

  17. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    If u study more, u will find, the nature gods of Aryans like Indra, Varuna, etc. and their description was already present in this empire and related later empires. It is interesting that in presence of these gods of nature worshiped by these nomadic tribes was already engraved on stones and rock inscriptions and these predates 1000 BC.
    Interestingly in India, there are no such inscriptions, whatever matter like Vedas, etc. are there, were in verbal form and were documented on " Bark of tree", etc. very late in history.

    I am even doubtful, if there are any Vedic inscriptions before 4th century AD, the last known Sycthian migration into mainland India.

    Whatever real facts were there would have been distorted due to blind religious following in India due to religion being a business for ages for certain sections of society and people. This has only disconnected us from rest of the world.
    Here arises the question what is the meaning of religious sculptural, sealing's and other finds from Indus [Harrapan] civilisation and who were the architects of that civilisation which was flourishing in India and was at its peak over 5,000 years ago.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  18. #37
    Before marching forward on the issue of central tribes.....migration in India, it would be worthwhile to visit some of the earlier discussions through many threads, like :

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...aracter-or-not

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...quot-Jats-quot

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...wer-discussion

    and so on.

    It is necessary to avoid repetation as well as to save time and unnecessary argumentation for or against the issue to update oneself what already has been put before the readers already
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  19. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Before marching forward on the issue of central tribes.....migration in India, it would be worthwhile to visit some of the earlier discussions through many threads, like :

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...aracter-or-not

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...quot-Jats-quot

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...wer-discussion

    and so on.

    It is necessary to avoid repetation as well as to save time and unnecessary argumentation for or against the issue to update oneself what already has been put before the readers already
    Sorry, i do not have time for argumentation or counter argumentation.
    I am not saying anything new. These things are already been discussed throughout decades. I was just going through a personal discovery of knowledge, so i just wrote, what i read.

  20. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Sorry, i do not have time for argumentation or counter argumentation.
    I am not saying anything new. These things are already been discussed throughout decades. I was just going through a personal discovery of knowledge, so i just wrote, what i read.

    Friend,

    My post was just to save the time and unnecessary arguments and counter argumentations on the already argued issues; but regret to state that it seems you have taken it otherwise. Wish you happy posts !

    Thanks and best wishes,
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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