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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Here arises the question what is the meaning of religious sculptural, sealing's and other finds from Indus [Harrapan] civilisation and who were the architects of that civilisation which was flourishing in India and was at its peak over 5,000 years ago.
    It is probable that these civilizations were connected and extended over a vast area all the way from north west of India to Iraq and beyond. They all were at their peak around 3500 BC (Harappa) and 5000 BC (MohanjoDaro) last Ice age finished at 10,000 BC.

    It is also probable that as the fertile crescent got drier and drier and global climatic changes happened people moved from older civilizations of Sumer (5000 BC) towards Hohanjodaro (3500 BC).


    Now the point is where were humans between 10,000 BC and 5,000 BC? Where were people living during last ICE age? Humans in present form have existed for over at least 40,000 years and this has been scientifically proven.
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  3. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It is probable that these civilizations were connected and extended over a vast area all the way from north west of India to Iraq and beyond. Now the interesting points i the time period. They all were at their peak around 3500 BC (Harappa) and 5000 BC (MohanjoDaro) last Ice age finished at 10,000 BC.

    It is also probable that as the fertile crescent got drier and drier and global climatic changes happened people moved from older civilizations of Sumer (5000 BC) towards Hohanjodaro (3500 BC).


    Now the point is where were humans between 10,000 BC and 5,000 BC? Where were people living during last ICE age? Humans in present form have existed for over at least 40,000 years and this has been scientifically proven.


    The main point here is that the earliest agriculture that has been archaeologically proven occurred in Fertile crescent area. Before that humans were into animal grazing and nomadic lifestyle. It is probable that agriculture in India in mohanjodaro and related civilizations started before the date of agriculture in fertile crescent but there is no archaeological proof of that, which has been carbon dated.

  4. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It is probable that these civilizations were connected and extended over a vast area all the way from north west of India to Iraq and beyond. Now the interesting points i the time period. They all were at their peak around 3500 BC (Harappa) and 5000 BC (MohanjoDaro) last Ice age finished at 10,000 BC.

    It is also probable that as the fertile crescent got drier and drier and global climatic changes happened people moved from older civilizations of Sumer (5000 BC) towards Hohanjodaro (3500 BC).


    Now the point is where were humans between 10,000 BC and 5,000 BC? Where were people living during last ICE age? Humans in present form have existed for over at least 40,000 years and this has been scientifically proven.
    The universe of early habitations of human being may perhaps be as vast as you say.

    To me it appears:

    First, Taking your findings 5000 BC for Mohanjo Daro to be at the peak, one can easily infer that before that time, they had been residing in the region for a considerable long span of time. Is this inference not sufficient to fill in the gap towards which you have pointed to !

    Secondly, The time period of Sumerian and Harrapan civilisations continues to change from time to time when newer remains come to light and new testing tools are used.

    Hence no final word on the time period as yet !

    Isn't it so !!
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  5. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The main point here is that the earliest agriculture that has been archaeologically proven occurred in Fertile crescent area. Before that humans were into animal grazing and nomadic lifestyle. It is probable that agriculture in India in mohanjodaro and related civilizations started before the date of agriculture in fertile crescent but there is no archaeological proof of that, which has been carbon dated.
    Carbon dating has its own flaws and limitations, newer techniques have emerged to test the antiquity of metals by using x-rays. If the same would be applied to judge the antiquity of Harrappn civilisation, perhaps some tangible result could be expected !
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  6. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    The universe of early habitations of human being may perhaps be as vast as you say.

    To me it appears:

    First, Taking your findings 5000 BC for Mohanjo Daro to be at the peak, one can easily infer that before that time, they had been residing in the region for a considerable long span of time. Is this inference not sufficient to fill in the gap towards which you have pointed to !

    Secondly, The time period of Sumerian and Harrapan civilisations continues to change from time to time when newer remains come to light and new testing tools are used.

    Hence no final word on the time period as yet !

    Isn't it so !!
    It seems like in Indian subcontinent archaeological truth will never be found with the mind set, value set and education set that majority of the people of this subcontinent live with. Whatever will be left will be finished by the religion based forces, who will dwell on the miseries, misconceptions, ignorance, etc. of the population.

  7. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It seems like in Indian subcontinent archaeological truth will never be found with the mind set, value set and education set that majority of the people of this subcontinent live with. Whatever will be left will be finished by the religion based forces, who will dwell on the miseries, misconceptions, ignorance, etc. of the population.
    It is useless imputation on the mindset of the people of the sub-continent. The archaeology cannot be slaved to mindset of people as it has travelled a long way to put fair and square results based on scientific analysis. All the adjectives used in the post stand no place in archaeological and historical research in India and abroad.

    Coming to the real issue a lot of rigorous research using latest historical research tools is required to unearth the historical facts or to say truth !

    This cannot be done by copy paste system generally adopted by us from various sources already tapped.

    In addition to interpreting and reinterpreting the existing archaeological data, new data has to be collected to arrive at tangible results.

    Mere coincidence of a similarity of word or name has to be accepted as historical truth only after rigorous scrutiny and analysis.

    Moreover, One has to dive deep into the ocean of archaeological field studies to find the 'nectar' of historical truth.

    Thanks and regards
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  8. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    It is useless imputation on the mindset of the people of the sub-continent. The archaeology cannot be slaved to mindset of people as it has travelled a long way to put fair and square results based on scientific analysis. All the adjectives used in the post stand no place in archaeological and historical research in India and abroad. Coming to the real issue a lot of rigorous research using latest historical research tools is required to unearth the historical facts or to say truth ! This cannot be done by copy paste system generally adopted by us from various sources already tapped. In addition to interpreting and reinterpreting the existing archaeological data, new data has to be collected to arrive at tangible results. Mere coincidence of a similarity of word or name has to be accepted as historical truth only after rigorous scrutiny and analysis. Moreover, One has to dive deep into the ocean of archaeological field studies to find the 'nectar' of historical truth.Thanks and regards
    "Mere coincidence of a similarity of word or name has to be accepted as historical truth only after rigorous scrutiny and analysis. " :It is not "coincidence", u use a wrong word here because of lack of knowledge about languages. In programming and computer science we are taught to construct new languages, now computer languages like "Java", "C", "C++", etc. are artificial languages (exact word used to denote such languages there artificial or human created languages, i am forgetting right now). Human spoken languages are natural languages and they have set syntax and semantics of the languages, u can construct and deconstruct any given language and chart out its evolution. It is a scientific branch of language study. Then the next point is how languages and root words traveled. So point here is not of "mere coincidence", the point is about knowledge of science of languages.

  9. #48
    http://www.ldolphin.org/magi.html

    In this web site "Magi" are called holy men from east. Now we must remember this eastern concept is in relation to the birth place of "Jesus" , if i remember correctly it is "Bethlehem". Now Iran and majority of central asia is in east of the place birth of Jesus, so people coming from east does not mean "far east", as in those days long distance traveled took lot of time as people traveled on horses and other animals, so people coming to visit Jesus at the time of birth means that these people called "Magi" were not coming from very far off, maybe they were just coming from a city or next country which is present to the east of "Bethlehem".
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 14th, 2014 at 07:30 AM.

  10. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    "Mere coincidence of a similarity of word or name has to be accepted as historical truth only after rigorous scrutiny and analysis. " :It is not "coincidence", u use a wrong word here because of lack of knowledge about languages. In programming and computer science we are taught to construct new languages, now computer languages like "Java", "C", "C++", etc. are artificial languages (exact word used to denote such languages there artificial or human created languages, i am forgetting right now). Human spoken languages are natural languages and they have set syntax and semantics of the languages, u can construct and deconstruct any given language and chart out its evolution. It is a scientific branch of language study. Then the next point is how languages and root words traveled. So point here is not of "mere coincidence", the point is about knowledge of science of languages.
    Friend,

    No denying the fact that Knowledge of science of language is must for understanding the proper use of 'words'.

    If I have understood it correctly the post under reference seemingly aimed at repudiating my statement on the use of words/names in my earlier post but it turns out to support my statement :

    "Mere coincidence of a similarity of word or name has to be accepted as historical truth only after rigorous scrutiny and analysis. "

    It may be re-emphasised that before accepting similarity of word or name as historical truth/fact, due assessment may be applied based on rigorous scrutiny and analysis of all accessible and available sources of data and then understanding the gamut of the issue involved.

    Thanks and regards,
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  11. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    http://www.ldolphin.org/magi.html

    In this web site "Magi" are called holy men from east. Now we must remember this eastern concept is in relation to the birth place of "Jesus" , if i remember correctly it is "Bethlehem". Now Iran and majority of central asia is in east of the place birth of Jesus, so people coming from east does not mean "far east", as in those days long distance traveled took lot of time as people traveled on horses and other animals, so people coming to visit Jesus at the time of birth means that these people called "Magi" were not coming from very far off, maybe they were just coming from a city or next country which is present to the east of "Bethlehem".
    Nothing new !!! None said they were coming from ''far east''.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  12. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The Andronovo culture is strongly associated with the Indo-Iranians and is often credited with the invention of the spoke-wheeled chariotaround 2000 BCE,[4] although some sites show a striking similarity to the Tungusic peoples.[5] Andronovo culture is also notable for regional advances in metallurgy.[1]
    Sintashta is a site on the upper Ural River. It is famed for its grave-offerings, particularly chariot burials. These inhumations were in kurgans and included all or parts of animals (horse and dog) deposited into the barrow. Sintashta is often pointed to as the premier proto-Indo-Iranian site, and it is conjectured that the language spoken was still in the Proto-Indo-Iranian stage.[6] There are similar sites "in the Volga-Ural steppe".[7]
    The identification of Andronovo as Indo-Iranian has been challenged by scholars who point to the absence of the characteristic timber graves of the steppe south of the Oxus River.[8] Sarianidi (as cited in Bryant 2001:207) states that "direct archaeological data from Bactria and Margianashow without any shade of doubt that Andronovo tribes penetrated to a minimum extent into Bactria and Margianian oases".
    Based on its use by Indo-Aryans in Mitanni and Vedic India, its prior absence in the Near East and Harappan India, and its 16th–17th century BCE attestation at the Andronovo site of Sintashta, Kuzmina (1994) argues that the chariot corroborates the identification of Andronovo as Indo-Iranian. Klejn (1974) and Brentjes (1981) find the Andronovo culture much too late for an Indo-Iranian identification since chariot-wielding Aryans appear in Mitanni by the 15th to 16th century BCE. However, Anthony & Vinogradov (1995) dated a chariot burial at Krivoye Lake to around 2000 BCE.[9]
    Mallory (as cited in Bryant 2001:216) admits the extraordinary difficulty of making a case for expansions from Andronovo to northern India, and that attempts to link the Indo-Aryans to such sites as the Beshkent and Vakhsh cultures "only gets the Indo-Iranians to Central Asia, but not as far as the seats of the Medes, Persians or Indo-Aryans".
    Eugene Helimski has suggested that the Andronovo people spoke a separate branch of the Indo-Iranian group. He claims that borrowings in the Finno-Ugric languages support this view.[10]
    Vladimir Napolskikh has proposed that borrowings in Finno-Ugric indicate that the language was specifically of the Indo-Aryan type.[11]
    Since older forms of Indo-Iranian words have been taken over in Uralic and Proto-Yeniseian, occupation by some other languages (also lost ones) cannot be ruled out altogether, at least for part of the Andronovo area: i. e., Uralic and Yeniseian.[12

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta

    It is probable that the civilization of "Sin" came from this area.

    Next if we study the languages and the way single alphabets of each language is pronounced, we find that the oldest and non refined form of language in FinnoUgric language e.g. "the way each alphabet in these languages is pronounced". It is remarkable that how similar is the way in which each alphabet in a "family of languages is pronounced" only difference being the refinement of alphabetic pronunciation. The older the spoken language is the more crude and non refined the language will be.

    One tribes of "Medes" was:


    • The sixth tribe were the Magi...They were a hereditary caste of priests of theZurvanism religion that evolved out of Zoroastrianism. The name Magiimplies a link with the Sumerians, who called their language Emegir, over time becoming simplified to Magi. Hungarian tradition also traces pre-European Magyar (Hungarian) ancestry back to the Magi. In time, the Sumerian-influenced religion of the Magi was suppressed in favour of a more purely Iranian form of Zoroastrianism, itself evolved from its somewhat dualist beginnings into the monotheistic faith that it is today (also known as Parsi-ism).

    FinnoUgric languages connect with Magyars which means that these tribes were living somewhere near "Sintashta" or Uralic mountains. It is very probable that these tribes moved from "Sintashta" and formed the middle east civilizations of Akkadians, Sinai, etc. It is probable that the memory of "Sintashta" remained in the mind of these migrating tribes and the concept of "Sin" or "Sinai" emerges in later part of history in and around fertile crescent.

    Then comes the concept of animal domestication. We know that humans domesticated "Wolves" in the very start of their life in Jungles, when humans were no agriculturist and were hunters and food gatherers. The next animals which were domesticated were "Goats and Sheeps", the next animal to be domesticated was "Horse" and then in the last the domestication of "Cattle/Cows or other big animals happened".
    Even today after thousands of years if we look at the lives of nomads in the areas that i mentioned, we find people still rely on "Sheep and Goats" for their livelihood rather than cattle.

    This also means that tribes which were present in central asia and near the Ural mountains, were into "Goat and Sheep" grazing and these were also the ancestors of the people who in later history were Cattle/cow, horse domestication people and cow grazing people.

    This concept can be verified by linguistics, if we hear the alphabetic pronunciation of FinnoUgric people, it is very looks very primitive and old. The more the language is spoken the more refinement it gets and the alphabets sound gets more clear, short and precise. This clarity of language and sound is found in Germanic language especially in Germany and Austria.


    The root of the these tribes go back to the people who domesticated "Wolves" or hunted with the "Wolves" as the earliest known wolves to humans were not domasticated and were pure to their instincts. Humans first friends were infact wolves as the earliest known humans were hunters/ food gatherers and not agriculturist.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 14th, 2014 at 09:38 PM.

  13. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta

    It is probable that the civilization of "Sin" came from this area.

    Next if we study the languages and the way single alphabets of each language is pronounced, we find that the oldest and non refined form of language in FinnoUgric language e.g. "the way each alphabet in these languages is pronounced". It is remarkable that how similar is the way in which each alphabet in a "family of languages is pronounced" only difference being the refinement of alphabetic pronunciation. The older the spoken language is the more crude and non refined the language will be.

    One tribes of "Medes" was:


    • The sixth tribe were the Magi...They were a hereditary caste of priests of theZurvanism religion that evolved out of Zoroastrianism. The name Magiimplies a link with the Sumerians, who called their language Emegir, over time becoming simplified to Magi. Hungarian tradition also traces pre-European Magyar (Hungarian) ancestry back to the Magi. In time, the Sumerian-influenced religion of the Magi was suppressed in favour of a more purely Iranian form of Zoroastrianism, itself evolved from its somewhat dualist beginnings into the monotheistic faith that it is today (also known as Parsi-ism).

    FinnoUgric languages connect with Magyars which means that these tribes were living somewhere near "Sintashta" or Uralic mountains. It is very probable that these tribes moved from "Sintashta" and formed the middle east civilizations of Akkadians, Sinai, etc. It is probable that the memory of "Sintashta" remained in the mind of these migrating tribes and the concept of "Sin" or "Sinai" emerges in later part of history in and around fertile crescent.

    Then comes the concept of animal domestication. We know that humans domesticated "Wolves" in the very start of their life in Jungles, when humans were no agriculturist and were hunters and food gatherers. The next animals which were domesticated were "Goats and Sheeps", the next animal to be domesticated was "Horse" and then in the last the domestication of "Cattle/Cows or other big animals happened".
    Even today after thousands of years if we look at the lives of nomads in the areas that i mentioned, we find people still rely on "Sheep and Goats" for their livelihood rather than cattle.

    This also means that tribes which were present in central asia and near the Ural mountains, were into "Goat and Sheep" grazing were the ancestors of Cattle/cow, horse domestication people.
    This concept can be verified by linguistics, if we hear the alphabetic pronunciation of FinnoUgric people, it is very looks very primitive and old. The more the language is spoken the more refinement it gets and the alphabets sound gets more clear, short and precise.


    The root of the these tribes go back to the people who domesticated "Wolves" because the earliest known humans were hunters/ food gatherers and not agriculturist.

    It seems as these tribes moved into India, their gods mixed with the local religion prevailing in India, maybe pre hinduism. The people who worked as preachers of faith or other godly concepts to these tribes (who were either following Zoroastrianism, prezoroastrianism) or any other thought practiced in by "Medes" got mixed with the local religion and started using local religion for further preachings. Thereby forming a mixup of local and out of India religious thoughts.

  14. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It seems as these tribes moved into India, their gods mixed with the local religion prevailing in India, maybe pre hinduism. The people who worked as preachers of faith or other godly concepts to these tribes (who were either following Zoroastrianism, prezoroastrianism) or any other thought practiced in by "Medes" got mixed with the local religion and started using local religion for further preachings. Thereby forming a mixup of local and out of India religious thoughts.
    Friend,

    Your post leaves one to raise several questions like when did these tribes [which tribes] and from where, by which route they enter India.

    Again what the existing religion or 'other thought' of the Indians at that point of time ?

    What is origin of Hinduism and when did it begin !

    It would be good of you if you could kindly enlighten us on these points.

    Thanks and best wishes
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  15. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta

    It is probable that the civilization of "Sin" came from this area.

    Next if we study the languages and the way single alphabets of each language is pronounced, we find that the oldest and non refined form of language in FinnoUgric language e.g. "the way each alphabet in these languages is pronounced". It is remarkable that how similar is the way in which each alphabet in a "family of languages is pronounced" only difference being the refinement of alphabetic pronunciation. The older the spoken language is the more crude and non refined the language will be.

    One tribes of "Medes" was:


    • The sixth tribe were the Magi...They were a hereditary caste of priests of theZurvanism religion that evolved out of Zoroastrianism. The name Magiimplies a link with the Sumerians, who called their language Emegir, over time becoming simplified to Magi. Hungarian tradition also traces pre-European Magyar (Hungarian) ancestry back to the Magi. In time, the Sumerian-influenced religion of the Magi was suppressed in favour of a more purely Iranian form of Zoroastrianism, itself evolved from its somewhat dualist beginnings into the monotheistic faith that it is today (also known as Parsi-ism).

    FinnoUgric languages connect with Magyars which means that these tribes were living somewhere near "Sintashta" or Uralic mountains. It is very probable that these tribes moved from "Sintashta" and formed the middle east civilizations of Akkadians, Sinai, etc. It is probable that the memory of "Sintashta" remained in the mind of these migrating tribes and the concept of "Sin" or "Sinai" emerges in later part of history in and around fertile crescent.

    Then comes the concept of animal domestication. We know that humans domesticated "Wolves" in the very start of their life in Jungles, when humans were no agriculturist and were hunters and food gatherers. The next animals which were domesticated were "Goats and Sheeps", the next animal to be domesticated was "Horse" and then in the last the domestication of "Cattle/Cows or other big animals happened".
    Even today after thousands of years if we look at the lives of nomads in the areas that i mentioned, we find people still rely on "Sheep and Goats" for their livelihood rather than cattle.

    This also means that tribes which were present in central asia and near the Ural mountains, were into "Goat and Sheep" grazing and these were also the ancestors of the people who in later history were Cattle/cow, horse domestication people and cow grazing people.

    This concept can be verified by linguistics, if we hear the alphabetic pronunciation of FinnoUgric people, it is very looks very primitive and old. The more the language is spoken the more refinement it gets and the alphabets sound gets more clear, short and precise. This clarity of language and sound is found in Germanic language especially in Germany and Austria.


    The root of the these tribes go back to the people who domesticated "Wolves" or hunted with the "Wolves" as the earliest known wolves to humans were not domasticated and were pure to their instincts. Humans first friends were infact wolves as the earliest known humans were hunters/ food gatherers and not agriculturist.
    Languages like FinnoUgric can very well connect with protoIndoEuropean languages.

  16. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It seems as these tribes moved into India, their gods mixed with the local religion prevailing in India, maybe pre hinduism. The people who worked as preachers of faith or other godly concepts to these tribes (who were either following Zoroastrianism, prezoroastrianism) or any other thought practiced in by "Medes" got mixed with the local religion and started using local religion for further preachings. Thereby forming a mixup of local and out of India religious thoughts.

    But again this connects with only one tribe of "Medes" and it is also possible that not all the people of this tribe were involved in religious preachings and religious crap. People who preached religion throughout ages depended on the misery, sorrow, happiness, predictions, situation creation, etc. to make believe things for their livelihood.

  17. #56

    Smile asin tribese

    [QUOTE=DrRajpalSingh;363784]Friend,

    Your post leaves one to raise several questions like when did these tribes [which tribes] and from where, by which route they enter India.
    aryanns invvade trough hindkush partmala

    Again what the existing religion or 'other thought' of the Indians at that point of time ?
    buddiusm was mai religion when scycythins invavaded in 200bc
    What is origin of Hinduism and when did
    It would be good of you if you could kindly enlighten us on these
    thanks and regards ashok
    why i am not able to post pics?.
    Last edited by agodara; June 15th, 2014 at 01:09 AM.

  18. #57
    [QUOTE=agodara;363791]
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Friend,

    Your post leaves one to raise several questions like when did these tribes [which tribes] and from where, by which route they enter India. ''


    aryanns invvade trough hindkush partmala

    Again what the existing religion or 'other thought' of the Indians at that point of time ?
    buddiusm was mai religion when scycythins invavaded in 200bc
    What is origin of Hinduism and when did
    It would be good of you if you could kindly enlighten us on these
    thanks and regards
    Friend,

    Read above posts again carefully.

    We are talking of the movement of various central Asian tribes around 4000 BC, when Buddhism was not born.

    Rest of the questions have been directed to Maddhan Sahib to respond !

    Thanks
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  19. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Languages like FinnoUgric can very well connect with protoIndoEuropean languages.
    Was there one protoIndoEuropean languages or many?

  20. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta

    It is probable that the civilization of "Sin" came from this area.

    Next if we study the languages and the way single alphabets of each language is pronounced, we find that the oldest and non refined form of language in FinnoUgric language e.g. "the way each alphabet in these languages is pronounced". It is remarkable that how similar is the way in which each alphabet in a "family of languages is pronounced" only difference being the refinement of alphabetic pronunciation. The older the spoken language is the more crude and non refined the language will be.

    One tribes of "Medes" was:


    • The sixth tribe were the Magi...They were a hereditary caste of priests of theZurvanism religion that evolved out of Zoroastrianism. The name Magiimplies a link with the Sumerians, who called their language Emegir, over time becoming simplified to Magi. Hungarian tradition also traces pre-European Magyar (Hungarian) ancestry back to the Magi. In time, the Sumerian-influenced religion of the Magi was suppressed in favour of a more purely Iranian form of Zoroastrianism, itself evolved from its somewhat dualist beginnings into the monotheistic faith that it is today (also known as Parsi-ism).

    FinnoUgric languages connect with Magyars which means that these tribes were living somewhere near "Sintashta" or Uralic mountains. It is very probable that these tribes moved from "Sintashta" and formed the middle east civilizations of Akkadians, Sinai, etc. It is probable that the memory of "Sintashta" remained in the mind of these migrating tribes and the concept of "Sin" or "Sinai" emerges in later part of history in and around fertile crescent.

    Then comes the concept of animal domestication. We know that humans domesticated "Wolves" in the very start of their life in Jungles, when humans were no agriculturist and were hunters and food gatherers. The next animals which were domesticated were "Goats and Sheeps", the next animal to be domesticated was "Horse" and then in the last the domestication of "Cattle/Cows or other big animals happened".
    Even today after thousands of years if we look at the lives of nomads in the areas that i mentioned, we find people still rely on "Sheep and Goats" for their livelihood rather than cattle.

    This also means that tribes which were present in central asia and near the Ural mountains, were into "Goat and Sheep" grazing and these were also the ancestors of the people who in later history were Cattle/cow, horse domestication people and cow grazing people.

    This concept can be verified by linguistics, if we hear the alphabetic pronunciation of FinnoUgric people, it is very looks very primitive and old. The more the language is spoken the more refinement it gets and the alphabets sound gets more clear, short and precise. This clarity of language and sound is found in Germanic language especially in Germany and Austria.


    The root of the these tribes go back to the people who domesticated "Wolves" or hunted with the "Wolves" as the earliest known wolves to humans were not domasticated and were pure to their instincts. Humans first friends were infact wolves as the earliest known humans were hunters/ food gatherers and not agriculturist.

    Magyars in Hungarian history are very late. There were other tribes living in Hungary before the arrival or "Magyars".

  21. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It seems as these tribes moved into India, their gods mixed with the local religion prevailing in India, maybe pre hinduism. The people who worked as preachers of faith or other godly concepts to these tribes (who were either following Zoroastrianism, prezoroastrianism) or any other thought practiced in by "Medes" got mixed with the local religion and started using local religion for further preachings. Thereby forming a mixup of local and out of India religious thoughts.

    This also means that not all the people of "Magi" tribe of "Medes" were into religion preaching only some. This might explain as to Why we have some common similar family names with some priest people. The ancestors of some of these "Magi" people took to preaching religion to earn their livelihood and thereby have a common family names with Jats. This can also mean that not all the priest people trace their ancestry to these tribes. As Hinduism has its root in India, it is probable that most of the priest people are from indigenous stock leaving aside those who came from outside from other faiths and started preaching the local religion.

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