Central Asian Origin or Jats and Gurjars. Gotras Khar/Khari

[maddhan1979]

http://shelf3d.com/i/medes

[maddhan1979]

Interesting point is "Medes" were also of "Scythic origin". If u study about "Scythians", "Scythians were into different kind of work from nomadic life style, animal grazing to agriculturists.

Some of the tribes of "Mede" were: "Buddi" and "Arizanti".


The capital city of country Hungary, is called Budapest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest

This city was made by combining two ancient cities "Buda" and "Pest".

"Budapest became a single city occupying both banks of the river Danube with its unification on 17 November 1873 of Buda and Óbuda, on the west bank, with Pest, on the east bank"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest,_Hungary

According to Indian knowledge country "Hungary" is derived from "Hun ki grahi" or "Fort of the Huns".

These might very well the same tribe that are called "Hephthalite"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire


"Medes" appear very late in north west of Iran and come down from central asia or from the IndoEuropean roots, while most of the "Scythian tribes were still in central asia at that point of time, this also means, the migration of these central asian tribes of IndoEuropean roots kept on happening till very late in history.

"Buda" was also a "Mede" tribe. Buddha was born to this tribe and we know, buddha was also called "Shakya Muni" or "Muni of the Shakyas", this also means that "Mede" were a sub tribe of "Scythains". Besides that migration of "Medes" to Iran from North West of Iran also indicates that they may be coming from more north western areas of the central Asia. Had they been living in north eastern regions of central Asia, they would have entered Iran from North Eastern regions of Iran, which konnekt with central Asia.

[maddhan1979]

Another tribe is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massagetae

The map is really interesting in this wiki link. The map shows 323 BC. which clearly shows the presence of north western tribes. Dahae are still present in central Asia. The last known migration to deeper India of Scythians was in 4th century AD, which is very late in history as compaired to the date shown in this map. Other Local Indian tribes are shown in central and other deeper portions of this map.

[maddhan1979]

Another tribe is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massagetae

The map is really interesting in this wiki link. The map shows 323 BC. which clearly shows the presence of north western tribes. Dahae are still present in central Asia. The last known migration to deeper India of Scythians was in 4th century AD, which is very late in history as compaired to the date shown in this map. Other Local Indian tribes are shown in central and other deeper portions of this map.

We must remember that "Wikipedia are not always the correct source of information", lot of times, the information is wrongly or one sided or written to influence certain people. What we can get out of Wikipedia is certain light or direction in the line of thought.

[agodara]

"Buda" was also a "Mede" tribe. Buddha was born to this tribe and we know, buddha was also called "Shakya Muni" or "Muni of the Shakyas", this also means that "Mede" were a sub tribe of "Scythains". Besides that migration of "Medes" to Iran from North West of Iran also indicates that they may be coming from more north western areas of the central Asia. Had they been living in north eastern regions of central Asia, they would have entered Iran from North Eastern regions of Iran, which konnekt with central Asia.

are you sure?.buddha was mede?
shakhya was clan name of buddha thats why he is called shakyamuni.
how can mede from iran reach nepal before 600 bce.did they came from china?
any link?

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/siddhartha.html
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakya

[maddhan1979]

This is an interesting documentary, which talks about central Asian tribes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPA9RDZ9X7M


Khara Kushhun is name of a place where the scientists/archaeologists went.

Scientists/archaeologists also talk about about Kushhan dynasty and also find coins from that period.

[maddhan1979]

The people he talks about are located in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan.

[maddhan1979]

http://www.jatland.com/home/Khar

[maddhan1979]

There are lot of evidence that proves central Asian origins of Gurjars and Jats.

[maddhan1979]

This is an interesting documentary, which talks about central Asian tribes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPA9RDZ9X7M


Khara Kushhun is name of a place where the scientists/archaeologists went.

Scientists/archaeologists also talk about about Kushhan dynasty and also find coins from that period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushan_Empire

[maddhan1979]

More is known by Russian, Chinese and Japanese archaeologists.

[maddhan1979]

Any more additions to the thread are welcomed.

[lrburdak]

We have complete book [wiki]The Jats:Their Origin, Antiquity and Migrations[/wiki]

by [wiki]Hukum Singh Panwar[/wiki] (Pauria), Manthan Publications, Rohtak. ISBN 81-85235-22-8

We may read here -

[wiki]The Jats:Their Origin, Antiquity and Migrations/The Scythic origin of the Jats[/wiki]

[maddhan1979]

There are lot of evidence that proves central Asian origins of Gurjars and Jats.

On the other hand this can also be called as nomadic origins of Jats and Gurjars.

[maddhan1979]

One of the gotras of Jats being "Budgujar",,,,which in ancient times might have meant that these people were the bigger lot as "Bud" in core Hindi mean "Big". Bigger in size, bigger in numbers. bigger in spread of area and kingdoms. etc. one can try to explore this issue.

Looking at the extent and history of "Jats", "Kadian" from "Akkadian", "Elam" from "Elam", "Meds" from "Median Empire", than we have places called Gilgit, Gillan, Kushan Empire, central Asia, mention of these people in the old and new testament of Bible and the Hebrew bible from which it is evident that Jats have an extended tribal roots that go beyond the boundaries of present day India.

[maddhan1979]

There is a place called "Sistan"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistan

[maddhan1979]

There is a place called "Sistan"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistan

This documentary shows the fort of "Scythains" and clearly calls them "People from the north". This also means that these might have been different from the other tribes living in these regions and might have even migrated after sometime from the regions shown in the documentary.

[maddhan1979]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx83hOYGwMw

[maddhan1979]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx83hOYGwMw

This is an interesting documentary about Scythains. Interestingly there is a goat sculpture shown in this documentary, which typically looks like a mountain goat by its horn structure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_ibex

[maddhan1979]

This is an interesting documentary about Scythains. Interestingly there is a goat sculpture shown in this documentary, which typically looks like a mountain goat by its horn structure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_ibex

This goat spreads across Europe and Asia.