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    Central Asian Tribes, Indo European Language/tribes, migration

    Can anyone name tribes which migrated from central Asia to other parts of the world?
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 7th, 2014 at 04:46 AM.

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    If i remember correctly the tribe "Busae" inhabited "Basra".

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    One of the tribe of "Mede" called "Magi" : These were the ancestors of "Magyars", who populated today`s "Hungary" i.e. "Hun+Garhi" in Sanskrit or "The fort of the Huns".

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    Is it possible that the family name "Chauhan": "Chau+Han" i.e. "Four Han" tribes are from these six "Mede Tribes"?

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    Although all the things stated in this map might not be true one thing is sure that there were probably six tribes or seven that comprised Medes.

    The tribe "Magi" formed "Magyar", who later inhabited today´s Hungary.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 9th, 2014 at 09:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Although all the things stated in this map might not be true one thing is sure that there were six tribes that comprised Medes.

    The tribe "Magi" formed "Magyar", who later inhabited today´s Hungary.


    • The sixth tribe were the Magi...They were a hereditary caste of priests of theZurvanism religion that evolved out of Zoroastrianism. The name Magi implies a link with the Sumerians, who called their language Emegir, over time becoming simplified to Magi. Hungarian tradition also traces pre-European Magyar (Hungarian) ancestry back to the Magi. In time, the Sumerian-influenced religion of the Magi was suppressed in favour of a more purely Iranian form of Zoroastrianism, itself evolved from its somewhat dualist beginnings into the monotheistic faith that it is today (also known as Parsi-ism).

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Can anyone name tribes which migrated from central Asia to other parts of the world?

    http://www.ancienthistory.ca/Ancient...-And-Pers.html

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    The last known inland migration of Indo-Scythians was in 4 th century AD. It is probable that the "Han or Indo/scythains/ medes" tribes migrated into Indo-Gangatic planes during the same time.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 10th, 2014 at 07:44 AM.

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    The Andronovo culture is strongly associated with the Indo-Iranians and is often credited with the invention of the spoke-wheeled chariotaround 2000 BCE,[4] although some sites show a striking similarity to the Tungusic peoples.[5] Andronovo culture is also notable for regional advances in metallurgy.[1]
    Sintashta is a site on the upper Ural River. It is famed for its grave-offerings, particularly chariot burials. These inhumations were in kurgans and included all or parts of animals (horse and dog) deposited into the barrow. Sintashta is often pointed to as the premier proto-Indo-Iranian site, and it is conjectured that the language spoken was still in the Proto-Indo-Iranian stage.[6] There are similar sites "in the Volga-Ural steppe".[7]
    The identification of Andronovo as Indo-Iranian has been challenged by scholars who point to the absence of the characteristic timber graves of the steppe south of the Oxus River.[8] Sarianidi (as cited in Bryant 2001:207) states that "direct archaeological data from Bactria and Margianashow without any shade of doubt that Andronovo tribes penetrated to a minimum extent into Bactria and Margianian oases".
    Based on its use by Indo-Aryans in Mitanni and Vedic India, its prior absence in the Near East and Harappan India, and its 16th–17th century BCE attestation at the Andronovo site of Sintashta, Kuzmina (1994) argues that the chariot corroborates the identification of Andronovo as Indo-Iranian. Klejn (1974) and Brentjes (1981) find the Andronovo culture much too late for an Indo-Iranian identification since chariot-wielding Aryans appear in Mitanni by the 15th to 16th century BCE. However, Anthony & Vinogradov (1995) dated a chariot burial at Krivoye Lake to around 2000 BCE.[9]
    Mallory (as cited in Bryant 2001:216) admits the extraordinary difficulty of making a case for expansions from Andronovo to northern India, and that attempts to link the Indo-Aryans to such sites as the Beshkent and Vakhsh cultures "only gets the Indo-Iranians to Central Asia, but not as far as the seats of the Medes, Persians or Indo-Aryans".
    Eugene Helimski has suggested that the Andronovo people spoke a separate branch of the Indo-Iranian group. He claims that borrowings in the Finno-Ugric languages support this view.[10]
    Vladimir Napolskikh has proposed that borrowings in Finno-Ugric indicate that the language was specifically of the Indo-Aryan type.[11]
    Since older forms of Indo-Iranian words have been taken over in Uralic and Proto-Yeniseian, occupation by some other languages (also lost ones) cannot be ruled out altogether, at least for part of the Andronovo area: i. e., Uralic and Yeniseian.[12

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Is it possible that the family name "Chauhan": "Chau+Han" i.e. "Four Han" tribes are from these six "Mede Tribes"?
    here is one more link you would like to read
    http://archive.worldhistoria.com/whi...opic21715.html
    regards ashok

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    Quote Originally Posted by agodara View Post
    here is one more link you would like to read
    http://archive.worldhistoria.com/whi...opic21715.html
    regards ashok
    Thanks for the link. There is lot of stuff on the web page. I read in an overview mode. Few things i would like to mention:

    The concept of Jats, Gurjars and other Indian names come late in history and are shown from the view of Indian historian/religious/etc. view.

    History of "Han" seems to start on central Asian plains. The concept of "Han" is linked to horse riding, animal grazing people, working with metal with a nomadic lifestyle.

    This kind of life style seems to predate even the early settlements in "Fertile Crescent". Their migration into Indian subcontinent seem to be very late in this time scale. So for finding roots, we have to travel to proto Indo European roots and the migration of tribes there on.

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    If we look at this map it overlaps the area of "Sythians" in the same time period. It is possible that "Scythians" and "Medes" were living in the same area or had overlapping tribes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes#m...ian_Empire.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Thanks for the link. There is lot of stuff on the web page. I read in an overview mode. Few things i would like to mention:

    The concept of Jats, Gurjars and other Indian names come late in history and are shown from the view of Indian historian/religious/etc. view.

    History of "Han" seems to start on central Asian plains. The concept of "Han" is linked to horse riding, animal grazing people, working with metal with a nomadic lifestyle.

    This kind of life style seems to predate even the early settlements in "Fertile Crescent". Their migration into Indian subcontinent seem to be very late in this time scale. So for finding roots, we have to travel to proto Indo European roots and the migration of tribes there on.

    The root words of "Jats" or "Juts" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutes

    may very well have the origin in Scythic/median or a similar language, why i say so? Because of the presence of root words like "Jute" and similar family names present in Asia and in Europe, this proves the fact that oral/verbal language existed before written language and the root words traveled with the migrating tribes.

    Now the main problem is analysis and deciphering of these ancient languages and a systematic study of tribal life and migration.

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