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    Why Jat Politics is at Cross Roads

    Jats have been playing a decisive role in the politics of Haryana, Rajasthan, Western Uttar Pradesh and Punjab since the beginning of electoral politics with the introduction of universal franchise w.e.f. General Elections, 1952. The community has seen many a stalwarts who were reckoned not only in their respective states as leaders of note but also influenced the shape of the national politics too !

    But now the common people of the Jat community are feeling rudderless in the absence of any tall leader of stature who could guide the boat of the Jat politics at all India level. Even the state level leaders except S Prakash Singh Badal have been marginalised in their respective states.

    Why this dismal position has descended upon such a vocal and resourceful community and who are responsible for it. How the glorious days of the past could again be enacted by the Jat leaders at national level as had been done by Chaudhary Charan Singh, former Prime Minister and Chaudhary Devi Lal former Dy. Prime Minister of India by providing leadership to the toiling masses of the country.

    Not to speak of the able leaders coming up to fill the void created after departure of these two tallest leaders from Jat community, none has even stepped in to fill the gap left by departure from active politics at national level by Ch. Nathu Ram Mirdha, Ch. Balram Jakhar, Ch. Bansi Lal, Ch. Shish Ram Ola, K. Natwar Singh, Prof. Sher Singh and so on.

    This leads the well wishers of the community to ask the present breed of politicians to introspect and then activate them to bring back the Jat leaders at national level putting an end to the present sad era of Jat politics at Cross Roads.

    Views of the participants are welcome suggesting a possible solution of the problem caused by non appearance of national level acceptable leader from the community who could lead the farmers of India along with and remove the inertia by fulfilling the hopes of farmers in general and the community in particular,
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    Only Ch. Bansi Lal, Ch. Charan Singh and Ch. Mirdha can be called leaders rest were just politicians who were there only for their personal existence. Politics has become a business in India instead of a profession. Greed and power has taken over the minds of the people. There is no such thing as social service and community service in the minds of politicians. They have their own agenda to loot the tax payers money and save for generations to come. How can you expect a leader can be born at this stage. Wait for some time, when people will loose their patience someone will come forward to take the command.
    Yoginder Gulia

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygulia View Post
    Only Ch. Bansi Lal, Ch. Charan Singh and Ch. Mirdha can be called leaders rest were just politicians who were there only for their personal existence. Politics has become a business in India instead of a profession. Greed and power has taken over the minds of the people. There is no such thing as social service and community service in the minds of politicians. They have their own agenda to loot the tax payers money and save for generations to come. How can you expect a leader can be born at this stage. Wait for some time, when people will loose their patience someone will come forward to take the command.
    Friend,

    It would be interesting to share what yard stick has been applied by you to select three Jats as leaders and

    the rest treated as just politicians who were there only ' for their personal existence '.

    Kindly elaborate your statement - " Politics has become a business in India instead of a profession.'' For, it is known that Business is one of the several activities falling under the category of professions.

    Perhaps, you wanted to refer to earlier times when people used to join political field with a spirit of service to the public, which present times seems to have been replaced by the newer breed of politicians who seem to be join politics taking it up as a full time profession.

    But what is the remedy !
    Last edited by DrRajpalSingh; February 18th, 2015 at 09:41 AM.
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    I forgot to add one more name in the list of leaders which is Ch. Devi Lal. A leader is one who has public following. The name which I did not mention are like ordinary politician who climbed their ladders because of personal qualifications. You know very well that congress does not like leaders. The moment you make your place as a leader then you will be thrown out or forced to quit as happened with Bansi Lal. Profession means here that you are joining politics as your career. Business means you are making a huge investment with intention to get return. Professions need ethics and code of conduct to run it and it is a full time job while in business you can be a sleeping partner.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Friend,

    It would be interesting to share what yard stick has been applied by you to select three Jats as leaders and

    the rest treated as just politicians who were there only ' for their personal existence '.

    Kindly elaborate your statement - " Politics has become a business in India instead of a profession.'' For, it is known that Business is one of the several activities falling under the category of professions.

    Perhaps, you wanted to refer to earlier times when people used to join political field with a spirit of service to the public, which present times seems to have been replaced by the newer breed of politicians who seem to be join politics taking it up as a full time profession.

    But what is the remedy !
    Yoginder Gulia

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    Yes, Chaudhary Devi Lal and Chaudhary Charan Singh emerged as national leaders due to their dedicated and honest efforts in the service of toiling masses and their names had holo of freedom fighters too.

    That is why, One led Janata Dal to the corridors of power while the other was hero among Janata Party stalwarts and both of them succeeded to decimate the ruling Congress by leading the mass struggle from the front.

    The downhill march started in 1989 debacle of the Congress was so severe that it has since then never been able to get majority seats in the Indian Lok Sabha.

    The set backs given by the national level leaders from the community continue to haunt the Congress party even today. But they, instead of learning a lesson or two from those stunning results of Janata Dal days, are living in day dreaming state of mind.

    Present day, Congress leaders are so lacking political acumen, that they almost committed harakiri when they failed to muster even 10% seats for the party with 125 years history behind it as was needed to get the position of leader of opposition in the recently concluded Lok Sabha polls.

    It is for the present breed of political leaders across various political parties from the Jat community to ponder over the issue why they have failed to throw an effective challenge in the national political arena as Chaudhary Charan Singh, Chaudhary Devi Lal and to an extent Chaudhary Nathuram Mirdha had done, and to an extent succeeded too !
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    JATS at the crossroad of Indian politics in my opinion some reason are
    1.Now the politics have become religion based , either u favour the majority religion or do drama to appease the minority religion. I do not think JATS are so drama baj that they can do any of these.
    2.Issue based politics have gone . No one in City will listen to politician who start favouring villages and farmers. Most of City population is combination business community and workers . Both oppose the villages and farmers. Media is with City population and so no one has the courage to speak of villages and farmers.
    3.UP & Bihar population which supported Ch. Charan Singh on farmers issue now has their own leaders and those leaders play religion politics to get votes.
    4.Khatri / Arora Punjabi / Brahimin / Baniya have succeeded in defaming Jats to a great extent . Now most of the communities are anti Jats because of that.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Yes, Chaudhary Devi Lal and Chaudhary Charan Singh emerged as national leaders due to their dedicated and honest efforts in the service of toiling masses and their names had holo of freedom fighters too.

    That is why, One led Janata Dal to the corridors of power while the other was hero among Janata Party stalwarts and both of them succeeded to decimate the ruling Congress by leading the mass struggle from the front.

    The downhill march started in 1989 debacle of the Congress was so severe that it has since then never been able to get majority seats in the Indian Lok Sabha.

    The set backs given by the national level leaders from the community continue to haunt the Congress party even today. But they, instead of learning a lesson or two from those stunning results of Janata Dal days, are living in day dreaming state of mind.

    Present day, Congress leaders are so lacking political acumen, that they almost committed harakiri when they failed to muster even 10% seats for the party with 125 years history behind it as was needed to get the position of leader of opposition in the recently concluded Lok Sabha polls.

    It is for the present breed of political leaders across various political parties from the Jat community to ponder over the issue why they have failed to throw an effective challenge in the national political arena as Chaudhary Charan Singh, Chaudhary Devi Lal and to an extent Chaudhary Nathuram Mirdha had done, and to an extent succeeded too !

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    Quote Originally Posted by krishdel View Post
    JATS at the crossroad of Indian politics in my opinion some reason are
    1.Now the politics have become religion based , either u favour the majority religion or do drama to appease the minority religion. I do not think JATS are so drama baj that they can do any of these.
    2.Issue based politics have gone . No one in City will listen to politician who start favouring villages and farmers. Most of City population is combination business community and workers . Both oppose the villages and farmers. Media is with City population and so no one has the courage to speak of villages and farmers.
    3.UP & Bihar population which supported Ch. Charan Singh on farmers issue now has their own leaders and those leaders play religion politics to get votes.
    4.Khatri / Arora Punjabi / Brahimin / Baniya have succeeded in defaming Jats to a great extent . Now most of the communities are anti Jats because of that.
    What is your perception about present Jat 'leaders' both politically aligned and/or social activists.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Jats alone can not fight of cause of Rural Upliftment and farmers. They need to align someone from Maharashtra and South. From UP and Bihar I do not think Jats can find any Partern. They have to come out of family politics. New leader with Rural background and good education has to emerge and capability to work with farmer leader of other state also.
    I think what the media think but I see the combination of NCP from Maharashtra , Ajit Singh from UP and some dynamic farmer leader from Rajasthan and Haryana can make a start. Media said so bad about about Sharad Pawar but overall he is good farmer's leaders. Lallu and Mallu Yadav are not the farmer leader and they are more religion appeasement leaders. They need to be avoided. Chautals if possible allow some non chautala to arise from INLD as leader of farmers.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    What is your perception about present Jat 'leaders' both politically aligned and/or social activists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krishdel View Post
    Jats alone can not fight of cause of Rural Upliftment and farmers. They need to align someone from Maharashtra and South. From UP and Bihar I do not think Jats can find any Partern. They have to come out of family politics. New leader with Rural background and good education has to emerge and capability to work with farmer leader of other state also.
    I think what the media think but I see the combination of NCP from Maharashtra , Ajit Singh from UP and some dynamic farmer leader from Rajasthan and Haryana can make a start. Media said so bad about about Sharad Pawar but overall he is good farmer's leaders. Lallu and Mallu Yadav are not the farmer leader and they are more religion appeasement leaders. They need to be avoided. Chautals if possible allow some non chautala to arise from INLD as leader of farmers.
    Good discussion of various facets of the regional politics.

    It seems that Politics of Lalu Yadav and Mulayam Singh Yadav is successful to some extent in their states because they have forged alliance of Yadava community with their respective local dominant castes and classes of people with a tinge of softness towards minority vote bank. That is why they have succeeded to enjoy power in their states for a considerable period of time.

    But they have also limited appeal restricted to their respective states only and are not recognised as all India level alternative to national parties.

    You have hinted that some dynamic farmer leaders from UP, Rajasthan and Haryana can make a start and have also seem to suggest Ajit Singh from UP to take the lead. Do you think Ch. Ajit Singh is ready to struggle to attain this goal.

    Who according to you seem to be probable leader/s from the community to accomplish the task of uniting first the community politically at regional level and then broad base alliance with toiling masses of the country by offering a pan India political alternative to present set of political parties.
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    Dear friends, I would say that behaviour of some of our brothers of JAT community is unbecoming. JATS are famous for their hard work, dedication, devotion & integrity by all casts/religions all over the world. But at the same time some of us are famous for "JAANTE BHI NAHIN AUR MAANTE BHI NAHIN". We fight with our own people in a way such that we start or think to start harming each other. If our feeling/understanding is unmatched with some of our brothers, than leave them, but should never harm!!!!!!.

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    The two most important issues are face to face with the future of the community --Land Acquisition Bill and Annulment of the Central Reservation Quota. They are the real challenges to handle them, a strong leadership of the community is the need of the hour. Forgetting petty self interests the leaders connected with Social Organisations and Political Parties are expected to give a joint fight for the shake of the future of the Jat Community.

    Let us hope that many 'leaders' will come forward to give a united fight on these issues to protect the rightful place for the community in the Indian Social set up.
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    jat is biggest enemy of jat, jat harms jat only, jat consider himself bigger than another jat, jat cannot work under a jat, jats lack unity, they behave badly, etc..., so how can they protect rights of community

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    Jatland website is also at cross roads...hardly 4-5 posts in whole days...what a boring place this has been...website is dying a slow death.......logo ne jhaankna bhi bandh kar diya hai yaha ab......................... current mods and admins.......jaago, kahi der na ho jaaye
    Become more and more innocent, less knowledgeable and more childlike. Take life as fun - because that's precisely what it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    Jatland website is also at cross roads...hardly 4-5 posts in whole days...what a boring place this has been...website is dying a slow death.......logo ne jhaankna bhi bandh kar diya hai yaha ab......................... current mods kand admins.......jaago, kahi der na ho jaaye
    Already late! Jatland lost its charm and beauty.
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    -- When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new.

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    There is always a U - Turn

    ( kissi movie ka dialogue hai .....Support actor said " Man its too late " and protagonist replied " There is always a U Turn " )

    Charm & Beauty......yeh zyada ho gaya

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    Jats believe in and follow strong leader with mass appeal and clear vision as well as mission, who is not visible at the present juncture to lead all of them.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rekhasmriti View Post
    There is always a U - Turn

    ( kissi movie ka dialogue hai .....Support actor said " Man its too late " and protagonist replied " There is always a U Turn " )
    Charm & Beauty......yeh zyada ho gaya
    There is always a next time to suna tha. Anyway, Mhare padosh me Ek retired Haryana police me hai ak uncle, wo pass wale park me balka ne katti nhi khelne dete, fir expectations ye hai to bache sanskar dhika ke unhe ram ram kare. Ab us Uske poote ho gye bade to rule change ho gye. Idea is wo ibb bhi police ki wardi se bahar nhi aa paye hai. Respect is earned. Charm ye tha ki sab Batla lia karte, has bol lia karte, beauty ye thi ki anything under sun Batla lia karte. Per me dono missing hai kaafi time se. IT
    -- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
    -- When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drrajpalsingh View Post
    jats believe in and follow strong leader with mass appeal and clear vision as well as mission, who is not visible at the present juncture to lead all of them.

    totally wrong, jats have become totally selfish, they cannot accept another jat a leader, please look inside you will get the wright answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fateh View Post
    totally wrong, jats have become totally selfish, they cannot accept another jat a leader, please look inside you will get the wright answer
    Welcome Sir. Thanks for sharing your understanding of the issue.

    However I could not make out what do you mean by telling ''wright answer'' to be searched inside !!
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  30. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Welcome Sir. Thanks for sharing your understanding of the issue.

    However I could not make out what do you mean by telling ''wright answer'' to be searched inside !!
    Brother, I mean to say that we all know the reality about our community, you know batter, brother due to our wrong traits, we gone down so much that all most all communities have gone above us

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