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    Coal Auction: Aggressive Bids Suggest People of India Scammed for Years

    Indian metal and cement companies have bid aggressively for coal blocks in the country's first auction to sell mines - of the 19 blocks currently on offer, 14 have already sold for nearly Rs. 80,000 crores.

    In 2012, in a body blow for the Congress-led government of Dr Manmohan Singh, the national auditor (CAG) said that the lack of a transparent bidding process in mining rights had cost the country a swindle worth Rs. 1.86 lakh crores. The bids so far suggest the sales proceeds will zip well past that estimate.


    "Certainly the CAG's position has been vindicated. Institutions of the country are doing their best," said Commerce Minister Nirmala Sitharaman.
    The auction comes after the Supreme Court last year ordered the cancellation of nearly 200 mining licenses issued by successive governments since 1993. The government had said it expects to raise Rs. 15 lakh crore from the new bidding process. The second round of auctions will include 43 blocks from February 25 to March 5.

    Companies who are bidding for the licenses want to cut imports and slash their dependence on inefficient government monopoly, Coal India Ltd. The companies are allowed to bid for enough coal to fuel a 50 per cent expansion of their current metal or cement capacity.

    The companies have declined to comment on the auctions until the whole process is complete.

    Most of the winning bids so far have been higher than analysts' expectations, based on the benchmark price of state-run Coal India.

    Coal India's prices are set according to cost rather than based on supply and demand in the market and its costs are high at Rs. 1,118 per tonne, more than half of which comes from employee and social costs.

    For the private companies, mining costs are likely to be between Rs. 400 and 600 per tonne, according to some analysts.

    The entire sum raised from the auction will be collected by the government over a period of 30 years. Five per cent of the proceeds will be accrued to the government in this fiscal year.

    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/coal-...-lateststories
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    It depends how you want to look at it as. I know you wont agree, and I will still put 2G rationale here. More money in auction does not always mean more benefits to people, government works for people- not profit.

    Let me put things in perspective, what do you think companies buying coal blocks will do? Sell it for power and that too at profit.

    Currently power in India is one of the cheapest, how cheap you ask? Price per KWh in India ranges from 1cent to 18 cents averaging at 7 cents/KWH- equate it to some similar economies worldwide it is by far the cheapest considering our power is mostly coal based.

    In short, don't be excited by revenue generation of government- rather be ready to pay a price for profits to be earned by private sector in future.
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    First of all welcome back Vikas , there is no reason to disagree with you I have one only question whats the guarantee that the companises which will get the blocks at cheaper rate will sell the coal at cheaper rate and again coal is not the only source of energy , nuclear and solar and even hydro power is there . Only hope is that how they will utilize the money which they get from these auctions such amount can do wonders.... We will bear the high bills if they will support the country ...... Cheap things are no more lucrative
    Last edited by SumitJattan; February 20th, 2015 at 12:28 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumitJattan View Post
    First of all welcome back Vikas , there is no reason to disagree with you I have one only question whats the guarantee that the companises which will get the blocks at cheaper rate will sell the coal at cheaper rate and again coal is not the only source of energy , nuclear and solar and even hydro power is there . Only hope is that how they will utilize the money which they get from these auctions such amount can do wonders.... We will bear the high bills if they will support the country ...... Cheap things are no more lucrative
    Thank you bhai, I do come and read but just don't like to post in redundant discussions.

    I agree that we have other sources of power but they have their own challenges, raw material for nuclear, cost efficiency in solar, environmental for hydro etc etc so to see some scalable efficiency there is a distant dream.

    I can not gurantee you what will companies charge for profits after paying such huge amounts, but I can definitely gurantee you that most of the money gained in auctions will go in scams/pockets of politicians.
    सच्चे शब्दों में सच के अहसास लिखेंगे ...
    वक्त पढे जिसको कुछ इतना खास लिखेंगे...
    गीत गजल हम पर लिखेंगे लिखने वाले...
    हमने कलम उठाइ, तो इतिहास लिखेंगे...!!

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    Hope you understand the difference between Coal and Petrol .... if you want to open a new thread open one but please dont spoil this thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ManjeetS View Post
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    Coal auction: Seven reasons why Vinod Rai was right about Coalgate
    Lawyers who become politicians are very good at giving things a good spin.
    The Congress led United Progressive Alliance(UPA) was full of such individuals, who could provide a good spin 24/7 to various things that were going wrong during the regime.The biggest spin came when the then Comptroller and Auditor General(CAG) Vinod Rai exposed the coalgate scam and estimated that the losses to the nation were around Rs 1,86,000 crore. (You can read how the number was arrived at here).
    Various Congress politicians worked overtime to suggest that there were no losses. The then finance minister P. Chidambaram had said: “If coal is not mined, where is the loss? The loss will only occur if coal is sold at a certain price or undervalued.” Other leaders suggested that Rai(who former bureaucrat turned politician N.K.Singh labelled as the bhumihar from Ghazipur) had political ambitions.
    Manish Tewari, the Congress leader who during his heydays could have an opinion on anything and everything, had said: “R-virus has infected the Indian growth story. The R-virus stands for a phenomenon were responsible individuals decide to become loose cannons.”
    On another occasion, Tewari had commented that: “When individuals decide to go rogue, institutions suffer. That possibly has the most detrimental effect on the India growth story.” Montek Singh Ahluwalia, the former deputy chairman of the now defunct Planning Commission, had claimed that “untrained staff [is] auditing CAG reports.”
    Long story short—the official propaganda machinery worked overtime to discredit Rai. They told us time and again that giving away coal free was not leading to any losses. Even without getting into any technicalities, how can giving away something 'free' not lead to losses is not something that any of these politicians bothered to explain.
    In the early 1990s, the government realized that enough coal was not being produced to meet the demand. Hence, it decided to amend the the Coal Mines(Nationalisation) Act with effect from June 9, 1993. This was done largely on account of the inability of Coal India Ltd (CIL), which produces most of India’s coal, to produce enough coal.
    The idea, as the Economic Survey of 1994-1995 pointed out, was to “encourage private sector investment in the coal sector, the Coal Mines (Nationalisation) Act, 1973, was amended with effect from June 9, 1993, for operation of captive coal mines by companies engaged in the production of iron and steel, power generation and washing of coal in the private sector.”
    The amendment allowed companies which were in the business of producing power and iron and steel, to own coal mines for their captive use. Any excess coal that was produced had to handed over to the local subsidiary of CIL.
    Using this amendment, the government gave away 204 coal blocks for free over nearly two decades. Most of these free coal blocks were given away between 2004 and 2011, when the Congress led UPA was in power (and that explains why the businessman turned Congress politician Naveen Jindal was the biggest beneficiary with nine coal blocks allotted to him). Nevertheless even by 2011-2012, these coal blocks produced only 36.9 million tonnes of coal. This amounted to around 6.8% of the total production of 539.94 million tonnes during the course of that year.
    In August 2014, the Supreme Court cancelled the allocation of these blocks. The Screening Committee method used to allot blocks was not up to the mark, it suggested in the judgement. The coal blocks were allocated based on the recommendations of an inter ministerial screening committee.
    After the cancellation, the government decided to auction the coal mines. Over the last few days the government has been auctioning the first lot of these coal blocks. Fourteen out of the 19 blocks that are on auction have been sold till now, for a whopping Rs 80,000 crore.
    What this clearly shows is that Vinod Rai was right about the losses all along. And it wasn't just about the money. Here are seven reasons that justify that:
    1) All the zero loss theories offered by the various Congress politicians were bogus. The government has already earned close to Rs 80,000 crore, which will be paid by winning companies over the years. It needs to be mentioned that more than 200 coal blocks will be eventually auctioned. Imagine the kind of money we are talking about here. A report in the Business Line points out that “according to government estimates, from the entire 204 blocks to be allocated/auctioned in phases, over Rs 15-lakh crore was expected to be garnered over the lifetime of the mines.” “But now we see this number could be higher,” a Coal Ministry official told the newspaper.
    Interestingly, the CAG had said in its report that: “A part of this financial gain could have been tapped by the government by taking timely decision on competitive bidding for allocation of coal blocks.”

    2) Loss estimate of Rs 1.86 lakh crore made by the CAG, was very conservative at best. But accountants are expected to be conservative. The CAG worked with fairly conservative estimates on this front as well. Typically extractable reserves are around 80-95% of the geological reserves of coal. The portion of the geological reserves that can be extracted are referred to as extractable reserves. As Rai writes in his book: “Audit based its computation on [the] conservative estimate of 73 million tonnes for every 100 million tonnes given in the GR [geological reserve]…Can audit be faulted if its computation was based on a conservative estimate of 73 per cent?…The extractable reserves…based on the aforementioned method, was found by the CAG to be 6282.5 million tonnes, which is mentioned in the report.”
    Hence, only 6.28 billion tonnes of the 44.8 billion tonnes of geological reserves was assumed as extractable reserves while calculating the losses of the government. You can't hold that against Rai.
    3) An 'auction' is a very clean way of doing things unlike the 'behind the doors' screening committee method. Further, there was no 'fair' way of going about allocation of coal blocks through the screening committee method. It went against the basic principle of equity.
    Former coal secretary P C Parakh explains this in Crusader or Conspirator—Coalgate and Other Truths: “By the time I took charge of the ministry, the number of applicants for each block had increased considerably although still in single digits. I found a number of applicants fulfilling the criteria specified for allocation of each block on offer. This made objective selection extremely difficult.”
    In fact in the years to come the situation became significantly worse. As Parakh writes: “According to CAG’s report, 108 applications were received for Rampia and Dip Side of Rampia Block [names of two coal blocks]. I found it difficult to make an objective selection when the number of applicants was in single digits. How could the Screening Committee take objective decisions when the number of applicants per block had run into three digits?”
    Allocating blocks through an auction takes care of such issues.
    4) By attaching a certain price to the coal block the government should be able to keep the non-serious players out. Take the case of the Rampia coal block mentioned earlier, where 108 applications were received. When something is available for free everybody wants it.
    5) Also, once companies have to pay for a block, the chances are that they will try and ensure that they start producing coal as soon as possible. This was something that was not happening earlier. As per the 11th five year plan, which started in 2007-08, the production from the captive coal blocks was to expected to touch 111 million tonnes of coal per year by 2011-12. The captive coal blocks produced 36.2 million tonnes of coal during the course of that year. By 2016-17, the production of coal from these blocks was expected to touch 330 million tonnes. In 2013-2014, these blocks produced only 39 million tonnes. What this tells us is that many non-serious players had got the blocks as well.
    6) Indian businesses have for too long been used to getting things for free, including coal. This has led to the misconception that thermal power is cheap, which is not. Once, the right price of coal is taken into account, other forms of generating electricity might start to look viable. And that will be good for the environment.
    7) And finally, transparency is very essential whenever the government is selling a public asset. It goes a long way in controlling crony capitalism. Coal auctions are worth all the trouble just for this one reason.

    http://www.firstpost.com/business/co...e-2111455.html

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    If this will happen then BJP will face the fate of Congress ..... they have to learn from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by desijat View Post
    Thank you bhai, I do come and read but just don't like to post in redundant discussions.

    I agree that we have other sources of power but they have their own challenges, raw material for nuclear, cost efficiency in solar, environmental for hydro etc etc so to see some scalable efficiency there is a distant dream.

    I can not gurantee you what will companies charge for profits after paying such huge amounts, but I can definitely gurantee you that most of the money gained in auctions will go in scams/pockets of politicians.
    People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumitJattan View Post
    Hope you understand the difference between Coal and Petrol .... if you want to open a new thread open one but please dont spoil this thread
    Do I need to create a new thread just to post a link.
    Last edited by ManjeetS; February 21st, 2015 at 12:08 AM.

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