Jats and Buddhism

[lrburdak]

Jats have not stuck to any particular religion in past. They are found among Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Muslim, and Christian. Any religion, which preached oneness of God and condemned superstitions and idol worship easily appealed to and was adopted by Jats in large numbers at different times.

When Vedic Hinduism gave place to Pauranic idol worship religion began to be used by priests as a means of livelihood; superstitious and awe inspiring beliefs tales and rituals, were introduced in religion to frighten people into giving offerings to idols and priests who became self appointed agents of God; non Brahmins were debarred from studying Sanskrit and religious books to make them, easily exploitable and ignorant. Jats became Buddhists and remained so long after other people in India went back to Brahmanism consequent to the decline of Buddhism.

This tread is started to find the roots of Jats and Jat history in the Buddhism and Buddhist traditions continued till date in Jats.

[lrburdak]

What is Buddhism

Buddhism is a nontheistic religion that encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and practices largely based on teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, commonly known as the Buddha ("the awakened one"). According to Buddhist tradition, the Buddha lived and taught in the eastern part of the Indian subcontinent sometime between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE. He is recognized by Buddhists as an awakened or enlightened teacher who shared his insights to help sentient beings end their suffering through the elimination of ignorance and craving. Buddhists believe that this is accomplished through direct understanding and the perception of dependent origination and the Four Noble Truths. The ultimate goal of Buddhism is the attainment of the sublime state of Nirvana, by practicing the Noble Eightfold Path (also known as the Middle Way), thus escaping what is seen as a cycle of suffering and rebirth.

Two major extant branches of Buddhism are generally recognized: Theravada ("The School of the Elders") and Mahayana ("The Great Vehicle"). Theravada has a widespread following in Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia (Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Myanmar etc.). Mahayana is found throughout East Asia (China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Singapore, Taiwan etc.) and includes the traditions of Pure Land, Zen, Nichiren Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism, Shingon, and Tiantai (Tendai). In some classifications, Vajrayana—practiced mainly in Tibet and Mongolia, and adjacent parts of China and Russia—is recognized as a third branch, with a body of teachings attributed to Indian siddhas, while others classify it as a part of Mahayana.

[lrburdak]

Buddha's enlightenment

Gautama Buddha was determined to complete his spiritual quest. At the age of 35, he famously sat in meditation under a sacred fig tree — known as the Bodhi tree — in the town of Bodh Gaya, India, and vowed not to rise before achieving enlightenment. After many days, he finally destroyed the fetters of his mind, thereby liberating himself from the cycle of suffering and rebirth, and arose as a fully enlightened being (Skt. samyaksaṃbuddha). Soon thereafter, he attracted a band of followers and instituted a monastic order. Now, as the Buddha, he spent the rest of his life teaching the path of awakening he had discovered, traveling throughout the northeastern part of the Indian subcontinent, and died at the age of 80 (483 BCE) in Kushinagar, India. The south branch of the original fig tree available only in Anuradhapura Sri Lanka is known as Jaya Sri Maha Bodhi.

[lrburdak]

Kushinagar (कुशीनगर) or Kusinagar or Kusinara is a town and district in Uttar Pradesh near border of Nepal. It is an important Buddhist pilgrimage site, where Gautama Buddha attained nirvana.

It is 51 kms from Gorakhpur (Uttar Pradesh) near Bihar Border.

In ancient times, it was known as Kushavati (Jatakas). It finds mention in epic Ramayana as the city of Kusha the son of Rama, the famous king of Ayodhya. Kushinagar was a celebrated center of the Malla kingdom of ancient India.

It is to be noted that the Malli or Malla are still an important Jat clan. It is this clan that gave name to Malwa and Multan.

You can see more at -

http://www.jatland.com/home/Malla

http://www.jatland.com/home/Malli

[paulgill]

Something more that need to be looked into regarding Malla Jatts. See also the Malla relationship to Licchavi, again a south Indian group with a similar name Ezhavas also seem to have some genetic relationship to Punjabi R1a1a Jatts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malla_%28India%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licchavi_%28kingdom%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licchavi_%28clan%29

Another thing I notice is that Gupta Banya etc may have a legitimate right to the Gupta Empire history. Though Bains Jatts are R2, I have noticed that a Gupta Banya is also R2, both could be related, and R2 is also found among Brahmins and others, the age of the relationship can be determined with in depth Y-Dna Sequencing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=0

[prashantacmet]

Something more that need to be looked into regarding Malla Jatts. See also the Malla relationship to Licchavi, again a south Indian group with a similar name Ezhavas also seem to have some genetic relationship to Punjabi R1a1a Jatts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malla_%28India%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licchavi_%28kingdom%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licchavi_%28clan%29

Another thing I notice is that Gupta Banya etc may have a legitimate right to the Gupta Empire history. Though Bains Jatts are R2, I have noticed that a Gupta Banya is also R2, both could be related, and R2 is also found among Brahmins and others, the age of the relationship can be determined with in depth Y-Dna Sequencing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=0

Could not understand your logic here..what teh bains jatt has tod o with gupta empire..guptas were "dharan" gotra ..it is harshawardhan who is supposed to be of Bains gotra

[prashantacmet]

Something more that need to be looked into regarding Malla Jatts. See also the Malla relationship to Licchavi, again a south Indian group with a similar name Ezhavas also seem to have some genetic relationship to Punjabi R1a1a Jatts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malla_%28India%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licchavi_%28kingdom%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licchavi_%28clan%29

Another thing I notice is that Gupta Banya etc may have a legitimate right to the Gupta Empire history. Though Bains Jatts are R2, I have noticed that a Gupta Banya is also R2, both could be related, and R2 is also found among Brahmins and others, the age of the relationship can be determined with in depth Y-Dna Sequencing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=0

Gill sahab!..i guess you are going too fast..

1. Firstly, until you have 90% accuracy with 10 samples you can not declare a clan as R1a1a, J2 or whatever...in all the samples i found on links, we have just 1 sample of a clan....so there is no ample proof to declare a clan of any haplogroup.........may be we need to wait to come at conclusion..or you can share any data where more than 5 samples of a clan were tested and were found same...

2. we need to figure to whom we are closets too...gujjars, rajputs, brahmins....and how differnt clans of jatts are related...

3. Secondly, we need to figure how can we discriminate jatts from other north indian population based on haplogroup...if it is same with other north indian population then there is no point of disucssing history with DNA

4. I guess data is too short to come at any conclusion at this point.......we can just guess..............................