Indo European langauges and Jat family name Meadh

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On the other hand this could also mean that there were various different type of "Ban" or "Van" people, that were selling stuff to the speakers of indo-european langauge. If we look into the life of "Ban" or "Van" people there is not a single tribe that resides in "Ban" or "Van" or rather there are many different tribes that can be seen living in any given "Ban" or "Van", depending on the place type of "Ban" or "Van".

Life of these ancient forest dwellers could have been very different from the lives of nomads and travelers. Nomads and travelers could have been first people to start animal husbandry and farming in human history while the forest dwellers could have been early starter of trade and trading practices which would have emerged out of trade of goods from forest. Diversity of the tribes of people residing in the forest also meant diversity of goods that were procured from the forest and sold in ancient markets.

[maddhan1979]

On the other hand this could also mean that there were various different type of "Ban" or "Van" people, that were selling stuff to the speakers of indo-european langauge. If we look into the life of "Ban" or "Van" people there is not a single tribe that resides in "Ban" or "Van" or rather there are many different tribes that can be seen living in any given "Ban" or "Van", depending on the place type of "Ban" or "Van".

While the @Ban or Van(forest) people would have been local sellers of products from the @Ban or Van(forest), travelers/nomads/people doing animal husbandry would have been traders doing trade to far off places, as these people would have procured goods and taken these goods to be sold to far off places, these goods would have been present more in the markets out of forts/cities/walled area, etc. Procurement of goods from nearby forest could have been one reason as to why the @Ban or van(forest) people could have been early shopkeepers or shop openers in ancient cities or forts, while the forts could have been setup by any community/people/ruler/tribe, etc.

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If these names come from word "dagar" i.e. "Way", then this characterization is at a very late stage of history and languages because "Dagar" is word which seems to connects with later stage of language and not proto langauges.

There is a language called "Dogri" and then we have "Dogra People. It is possible that "Dogri" was a street language for a considerable amount of time. Here street language means a common language spoken by migrating tribes. Did the original tribes of these people settled in the mountains, maybe some/ not all because life in mountains in old times was difficult in ancient times, whereas life in plains was comparatively easier, only problem being frequent feudal wars or wars from other tribes, therefore the original tribes would have moved down the mountains. Although this migration could have been a case of vice-versa due to wars and other factors.

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In ancient nordic countries, big halls were used to cook, eat and feast and these halls were called;

Meadhall:

http://www.wordsense.eu/mead_hall/

The root of these mead halls might be in life of ancient nomadic tribes which roamed Eurasian plains during ancient times.


http://www.yourdictionary.com/mead-hall


As nordic countries are in cold climate, therefore, it is possible that meat was cooked and eaten in the same big hall as it would have made the hall a warm place in time of winters.


http://maropei.blogs.uv.es/2013/03/2...of-mead-halls/

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To understand the above context one has to see a market in ancient times. There would have been at least two type of markets, one inside the fort another one outside the fort.
People from surrounding areas and inside the fort people would have shops inside the fort. People coming from outside the fortified area would have had shops or selling places outside the fort as identity of these new people would not have been easy to assertain.

People selling stuff outside the fort would have come from different places, these would include people who are travelling from one place to another, people bringing stuff from far off places, people from near by areas such as local forest or natives tribes living in forest, people from nearby kingdoms, etc. In such a diverse market "Totem" would have been easiest way to identify themselves. "Totems" could have been in form of name of a place where a person is coming from, product a person sells, name of another kingdom, etc. In local times lot of food was obtained from forest and the easiest way to identify a products and persons selling the products could have been place a person has obtained his product from.
As in any ancient society, native tribes living in the forest would have been the biggest procurer of products from the forest. This might explain the paradox of "Banjara or Vanjara", while literally translated this means, "friend of the forest",but the language spoken by these people could have been "Indo European" language. If this is true, the "Forest" of "Ban/Van" could be a symbolic/totemic representation of another tribe and the travellers/Banjara are the friends of these tribal people. As "Banjara or Vanjara" were travelling people so it was easy for them to take/carry their stuff and sell their good to far of places, but they would have needed people who procured the goods from local "Ban or Van", so the word "Banjara" could be a connection to totamic tribes living in the forest and procuring goods to "Banjaras". The so called "Ban" people would also have brought their goods to be sold inside the fort as their identification was certified by the fort, therefore they would have been the first people to open shops inside the fort. While people who were outsiders "coming out of forest" could have been anyone like travelling people, people from another kingdom, etc.

Since ancient times it was hard to recognize true authenticity of city dwellers whether that be people from the "Ban", "Travelling people", "Invading armies which later settled down", so on, so forth. True authenticity of similar tribes could only be connected by their root authentication i.e. the village roots, clan roots, etc. Due to innumerable wars in north west Indian subcontinent displacement of people has been huge and so has been mixing and movement of people. To trace real history of nomadic tribes, culture, life and the spirit of northwestern tribes one has to segregate the mythological, religious and loan words from these tribes, which religion and other identities might have taken to dwell among these original tribes.

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What was the food of IndoEuropeans?

What grains were they eating?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

born in "Archimedes was born c. 287 BC in the seaport city of Syracuse, Sicily," as wikipedia says, has a "medes" in his name,,,did he come from ancient "Media"?

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This is scientific, linguistic and archaeological view.

Now the religious view turns it into religious cults like Krishna, Ram, etc, etc.

[maddhan1979]

To understand the above context one has to see a market in ancient times. There would have been at least two type of markets, one inside the fort another one outside the fort.
People from surrounding areas and inside the fort people would have shops inside the fort. People coming from outside the fortified area would have had shops or selling places outside the fort as identity of these new people would not have been easy to assertain.

People selling stuff outside the fort would have come from different places, these would include people who are travelling from one place to another, people bringing stuff from far off places, people from near by areas such as local forest or natives tribes living in forest, people from nearby kingdoms, etc. In such a diverse market "Totem" would have been easiest way to identify themselves. "Totems" could have been in form of name of a place where a person is coming from, product a person sells, name of another kingdom, etc. In local times lot of food was obtained from forest and the easiest way to identify a products and persons selling the products could have been place a person has obtained his product from.
As in any ancient society, native tribes living in the forest would have been the biggest procurer of products from the forest. This might explain the paradox of "Banjara or Vanjara", while literally translated this means, "friend of the forest",but the language spoken by these people could have been "Indo European" language. If this is true, the "Forest" of "Ban/Van" could be a symbolic/totemic representation of another tribe and the travellers/Banjara are the friends of these tribal people. As "Banjara or Vanjara" were travelling people so it was easy for them to take/carry their stuff and sell their good to far of places, but they would have needed people who procured the goods from local "Ban or Van", so the word "Banjara" could be a connection to totamic tribes living in the forest and procuring goods to "Banjaras". The so called "Ban" people would also have brought their goods to be sold inside the fort as their identification was certified by the fort, therefore they would have been the first people to open shops inside the fort. While people who were outsiders "coming out of forest" could have been anyone like travelling people, people from another kingdom, etc.

Based on the horse riding people from the "Meer", it is obvious, that the "Ban people" were rich due to their nativeness of the land and the outside horse riding people from foreign lands were poor in ancient times. This ratio of poor and rich can still be seen in the general population trends of the country.

[maddhan1979]

Based on the horse riding people from the "Meer", it is obvious, that the "Ban people" were rich due to their negativeness of the land and the outside horse riding people from foreign lands were poor in ancient times. This ratio of poor and rich can still be seen in the general population trends of the country.

"nativeness",,,someone messed with the words

[maddhan1979]

It could also mean, there were two different type of traders, trading the goods from the forest. One who resided in the "ban" or "Van" and the other who bought goods from the "ban" or "van" people. While "Ban" or "van" people. This could explain the word "banjara" or "friends of the forest" or "friends of the ban people", where "Ban" or "Van" people could have been people living in the "Ban" and were recognized by totemic representation of "Ban". As "Ban" seems to be indo European word, it is possible that this totemic recognition of "ban people" emerged with the arrival of "indo european speakers". This could also mean that there was a different word for "Madhu" spoken by the "Ban" people.

"As "Ban" seems to be indo European word, it is possible that this totemic recognition of "ban people" emerged with the arrival of "indo european speakers"."

Based on the migration of people from the "Meer culture", totemic recognition of "ban people/local inhabitants of the land", happened after the arrival of "indo european speakers", in the current context "indo-european people are various innumerable tribes that followed northern/ north west migration routes, these range from the present day Gypsies, tribes from Mongolia, Siberia, central asia ancient middle east, etc.

[maddhan1979]

"As "Ban" seems to be indo European word, it is possible that this totemic recognition of "ban people" emerged with the arrival of "indo european speakers"."

Based on the migration of people from the "Meer culture", totemic recognition of "ban people/local inhabitants of the land", happened after the arrival of "indo european speakers", in the current context "indo-european people are various innumerable tribes that followed northern/ north west migration routes, these range from the present day Gypsies, tribes from Mangolia, Siberia, central asia ancient middle east, etc.

Origins of Gypsies seems to be present in ancient Siberia, Mongloia and central Asia.

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Origins of Gypsies seems to be present in ancient Siberia, Mongloia and central Asia.

and there seems to be a proof of that as well.