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    Jat, Judaism and Middle East

    Which religion came first to Middle East Judaism, Islam or Christianity?
    Last edited by maddhan1979; December 2nd, 2015 at 02:17 PM.

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    Middle East and its surrounding areas had most ancient civilizations in the world.

    Judaism preceded Islam and Christianity.

    So, a major question arises, was Judaism wide spread before Islam and Christianity? Were the followers of Islam and Christianity in Middle East, the same people, who earlier followed Judaism or any other faith in that region?

    It seems so, there is mention of King Solomon, King David and the archaeological evidences found with these ancient kings still exists and has been archaeologically verified.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; November 25th, 2015 at 06:36 AM.

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    Judaism came first in Middle East but Islam inspired to most of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hariyaksh View Post
    Judaism came first in Middle East but Islam inspired to most of them.
    All the three religions have almost same things and lot in common as the roots are from Judaism, so i do not know, who inspired what?

    They all are abrahmic, aabrahmic religions, although there are lot of other faiths and ways of life in-terms of religious thought process but Christianity and Islam seem be liked by a majority people in the world.

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    jat gotra "Gill"

    There is a place called "Gillan" ,in Iran, then there is a place called "Gillgit", if i remember correctly and then there is an epic of:

    Gilgamesh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjWHCk3y8-Y

    Is it possible that they are connected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post

    If we listen carefully to this documentary then there is mention of "Medes" or "Mead", this connects the presence of Jat family names to its antiquity. One can also see, how archaeology is different from myths.

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    Judaism and middle east

    How not to lose history of any land? History, is preserved in form of archaeological and linguistic evidences.

    In middle east the only stable, scientifically educated local support is in form of Judaism or Judaic people. Historical existence of Judaic people is present in middle east. This is the greatest support that middle east has, to have a stable region and save its ancient history.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; January 19th, 2017 at 08:36 PM.

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    Jats and Judaic religion

    Based on the fact that Non Semitic languages seem to be coming from Semitic languages and the presence of "Hooda" gotra in "Jat people", it is possible that migration of "Jats" from different parts of the world might be much older than researched upon. It is also possible that the presence of "Judic" way of life or "Judic" philosophy might be much older than few thousand years BC.

    The same tribes and people living in middle east who later adopted different religions like Islam and Christianity could be from Hebrew language group or some common semantic language group of ancient times.

    While the word "Hooda" or "Jahoodi", might have very ancient origins.
    Last edited by vijay; December 6th, 2015 at 04:28 PM.

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    Jats,Judaism, Scythians,Jews

    Lot of "Jat" family names are found throughout Indo European world and in middle east. Then there is reference of "Jats" being of Scythian origins, which seem to be true.

    If i remember correctly "Sach" or "Sachs" is a Judaic family name. "Sach" or "Sachs" itself means people of "Scythian origin". Jats having a family name "Hooda" is a direct connection to Judaic people or Jahoodi people.

    Then many family names of "Jat" people also connect with pre Sanskrit origin, which indicates that origin of the tribe of people called "Jats" is connect with older Indo European roots and most probably to proto Indo European roots which are much older than Sanskrit roots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Lot of "Jat" family names are found throughout Indo European world and in middle east. Then there is reference of "Jats" being of Scythian origins, which seem to be true.

    If i remember correctly "Sach" or "Sachs" is a Judaic family name. "Sach" or "Sachs" itself means people of "Scythian origin". Jats having a family name "Hooda" is a direct connection to Judaic people or Jahoodi people.

    Then many family names of "Jat" people also connect with pre Sanskrit origin, which indicates that origin of the tribe of people called "Jats" is connect with older Indo European roots and most probably to proto Indo European roots which are much older than Sanskrit roots.
    I think whole of jews versus non-news lies Indo-european language and semitic language...and you mixed well both of them!!........By the way how do you trace the history of a certain race or class of people........??
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    One may agree or not with what he tries to convey but one cannot overlook zeal and effort of Madhan Sahib to trace the origin of the Jats. It is appreciable as he has started hundreds of threads on the topic. But without reaching some workable thesis he leaves the topic hanging in the air and then after a short gap starts anew from the beginning.

    It would be appreciated if the similar topics of various threads are taken by him for discussion under one common thread heading so that the participants and readers could be properly informed what he so laboriously has been trying to convey so far !
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    Besides that we must not forget there were Roman/ European settlements and lot of trade was done through countries located at the lower areas of Europe. Borders does not mean these early settlers, traders, etc. settled, traded or lived within the bordered area as we know through history today. It is also possible that these people were travelling and trading far beyond the so stated borders of ancient times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Syria

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...e_Roman_Empire

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    Lot of tribes in Indian subcontinent would be able to trace such migrations and settlements throughout Indian subcontinent history.

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    These could have been later migrations in history than earlier tribal migrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Besides that we must not forget there were Roman/ European settlements and lot of trade was done through countries located at the lower areas of Europe. Borders does not mean these early settlers, traders, etc. settled, traded or lived within the bordered area as we know through history today. It is also possible that these people were travelling and trading far beyond the so stated borders of ancient times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Syria

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...e_Roman_Empire

    It seems(although yet to be archaeologically verified) there was a continuous migration from ancient middle east which included ancient Jews(coming as foreign traders, people fleeing wars), then there is a earlier tribal migration which seems to have happened much earlier from central Asia and ancient China before the "Great wall of China", was constructed. These BC migrations and later phase of migration of Jews as traders and people fleeing wars or people looking for new place to live and work happened due to the life line of ancient trade routes such as "Silk road". These ancient connections seem to go beyond ancient "Judic ", connections and had a continued inflow of people and ideologies from different parts of the world and extended even after "Islam" as a religion came into existence. All this history which has its roots in central Eurasia, ancient China and ancient Middle east and "Judic" people seem to be getting lost in the cultural misrepresentation and archaeological losses in the northern regions of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It seems(although yet to be archaeologically verified) there was a continuous migration from ancient middle east which included ancient Jews(coming as foreign traders, people fleeing wars), then there is a earlier tribal migration which seems to have happened much earlier from central Asia and ancient China before the "Great wall of China", was constructed. These BC migrations and later phase of migration of Jews as traders and people fleeing wars or people looking for new place to live and work happened due to the life line of ancient trade routes such as "Silk road". These ancient connections seem to go beyond ancient "Judic ", connections and had a continued inflow of people and ideologies from different parts of the world and extended even after "Islam" as a religion came into existence. All this history which has its roots in central Eurasia, ancient China and ancient Middle east and "Judic" people seem to be getting lost in the cultural misrepresentation and archaeological losses in the northern regions of the country.
    Jews have been the most cunning, hated and coward people in the history. Jats are not connected with middle east people at all..no linguistic, cultural or racial connection with these pigs.................and scythians had no connection with Jewish people at all.....so dont fuc* the history of jats just for the sake of your naked fantasy!
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    I have mostly known Jats who have accepted all kinds of people and faiths.

    As per the fantasies of architecture there are lot in Khujraho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khajur...p_of_Monuments

    Which i think tells something about ancient Indian monuments.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; January 16th, 2017 at 09:29 PM.

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    and then there are:

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