या तो 'रामायण/महाभारत' झूठी या फिर 'आर्य-भट्ट'

[phoolkumar]

aapki baat ka jawab jatland pe hi "yauddheya" shabd se related books mein pada hai, for example read this one: http://www.jatland.com/home/Haryana_Ke_Vir_Youdheya

Though main isse fully agree nahin hoon, but fir bhi aapke kaam ka bahut kuchh mil sakta hai aapko is book mein. wo depend karta hai ki aap ismen se kya, kitna aur kyon nikaalna chahenge!

Read another link on JL itself: http://www.jatland.com/home/Yaudheya

http://www.jatland.com/home/Yaudheya...eyas_were_Jats

Though I don't agree with them as they relate it to mythology, except tht part, I am in agreement with them.

Dear Phool kumar Ji:

Aap thoda thoda History ka tadka bhi lagate ho apne discussion main ...... kai saari cheese padhi ki aapki post main........aap apna point clear karenge history section main............Please free to start a new thread in History section..if you like....


We want to know about "yodheyas" from you? How jats and Yodheays related? jats are native tribe of India....baahmans are foreigner (Aryan)...jats are non-Aryan?..


But at-least educate us whether jat is a race or not? if yes...how?

[prashantacmet]

aapki baat ka jawab jatland pe hi "yauddheya" shabd se related books mein pada hai, for example read this one: http://www.jatland.com/home/Haryana_Ke_Vir_Youdheya

Though main isse fully agree nahin hoon, but fir bhi aapke kaam ka bahut kuchh mil sakta hai aapko is book mein. wo depend karta hai ki aap ismen se kya, kitna aur kyon nikaalna chahenge!

Read another link on JL itself: http://www.jatland.com/home/Yaudheya

http://www.jatland.com/home/Yaudheya...eyas_were_Jats

Though I don't agree with them as they relate it to mythology, except tht part, I am in agreement with them.

On facebook and jatland, sometimes you may propagate the wrong history of Jats in the zest of countering mandi-fandi..please be careful when you dishonour someone..maybe they are your own ancestors

[phoolkumar]

Is world mein akeli ramayan ke 300 versions hain, kabhi poochh ke dekhna kisi shankracharya ya mahamandleshwar se ki unmen se authentic version kaunsa hai. Aur pata lage to mujhe bhi bata dena.

4-4, 5-5 versions to T.V. serials mein aa chuke, not only ramayan ke, even mahabharat ke bhi. kabhi yahi curiosity yah jaanne mein lagai hai ki inmen se authentic kaunsa hai?

Jis din tum India ke brahmins ko ramayan ke kisi ek version pe sahmat karwa do ki yah final and authentic version hai ramayan ka, us din to jaroor tumhari baat pat vichar karunga!

isi ko kahte hain, "baniya-brahmn 100 pe bhi naa kheenchataan, aur jat ek damdi pe lahu-luhan". brahmin maine jod diya hai aaj is kahawat mein, kyonki brahmins ramayan ke 300 versions bana ke rakhe hue hain aur fir bhi aapas mein kabhi ispe nahin ladte ki inmen se original kaunsa hai, kyonki wo 300 ke 300 ko hi as original present kiye rakhte hain. aur ek aap jaise intellect hain, jinko kisi subject ka ek version bhi koi jat bhai hi pesh kar de to pahle jhatke propagandas najar aane lag jaate hain.

Aur poori JL aur FB par ghoom ja, agar kahin bhi ek bhi post aisi mil jaaye jo kisi na kisi reference ya fact ke base pe na kahi ho to bata dena. ab tumhen tumhari marji ke references chahiyen to wo to fir tum khud hi dhoondha karo, kyonki tumhari marji to tum hi jan sakte ho.

On facebook and jatland, sometimes you may propagate the wrong history of Jats in the zest of countering mandi-fandi..please be careful when you dishonour someone..maybe they are your own ancestors

[prashantacmet]

Is world mein akeli ramayan ke 300 versions hain, kabhi poochh ke dekhna kisi shankracharya ya mahamandleshwar se ki unmen se authentic version kaunsa hai. Aur pata lage to mujhe bhi bata dena.

4-4, 5-5 versions to T.V. serials mein aa chuke, not only ramayan ke, even mahabharat ke bhi. kabhi yahi curiosity yah jaanne mein lagai hai ki inmen se authentic kaunsa hai?

Jis din tum India ke brahmins ko ramayan ke kisi ek version pe sahmat karwa do ki yah final and authentic version hai ramayan ka, us din to jaroor tumhari baat pat vichar karunga!

isi ko kahte hain, "baniya-brahmn 100 pe bhi naa kheenchataan, aur jat ek damdi pe lahu-luhan". brahmin maine jod diya hai aaj is kahawat mein, kyonki brahmins ramayan ke 300 versions bana ke rakhe hue hain aur fir bhi aapas mein kabhi ispe nahin ladte ki inmen se original kaunsa hai, kyonki wo 300 ke 300 ko hi as original present kiye rakhte hain. aur ek aap jaise intellect hain, jinko kisi subject ka ek version bhi koi jat bhai hi pesh kar de to pahle jhatke propagandas najar aane lag jaate hain.

Aur poori JL aur FB par ghoom ja, agar kahin bhi ek bhi post aisi mil jaaye jo kisi na kisi reference ya fact ke base pe na kahi ho to bata dena. ab tumhen tumhari marji ke references chahiyen to wo to fir tum khud hi dhoondha karo, kyonki tumhari marji to tum hi jan sakte ho.

Hadd kar di!............Namaste ji!..........................

[phoolkumar]

Ab bhai ke paas jawab nahin to namste ji, to fir jab aise hi jawab dene hote hain to kyon time waste karte ho mera bhi aur apna bhi....

Hadd kar di!............Namaste ji!..........................

[prashantacmet]

Ab bhai ke paas jawab nahin to namste ji, to fir jab aise hi jawab dene hote hain to kyon time waste karte ho mera bhi aur apna bhi....

Bhai...banu ja apne miya mithhu...!...are u open for discussion on History?..................I asked u few things and you gave me few links from jatland...and I don't have the answer.!!..bravo...........jo baahmano me ramayan mahabharat main kiya wo tu ab kar raha hai.....bakwaas ko history bata raha hai............hai kuch farak aapme aur mandi-fandi main?....aur tu bhi to apne faayde wale reference hi nikalta hai.............dossre ko blame karne se pehle apne aap ko bhi dekh liya karo..phool kuwaar ji............

Let us start here or better come in history section:

First :
Have u ever said that jats are native and baahmans are foreigner Aryan?...........or I need to dig out your post?...hahahaha.........

or on your favourite quote "jai yodheya"...........swami ji se nyara bhi kuch padha hai yodheyas ke bare main..ya fer chasma chadha liya ek be hi

[phoolkumar]

pahle to apne man ka mail saaf kar le, agar debate karni hai to, yaa to apni ghrina nibha payega mere se ya fir sahi se debate kar payega, donon cheejen ek sath nahin chala karti.

aur kyonki mujhe pata tha ki mere provide kiye reference to tujhe achche lagenge nahin, isliye socha JL pe pade references hi de du, ab tujhe uspe bhi chain nahin...... isliye to kah raha teri taslli main nahin kar paunga, kyonki tune nafrat bhar li hai mere liye apne ander.

ja tu dig out kar le, aur koi si bhi post fake lage to bata dena. har ek post mein proper reference hain. aur research ka siddhant hi yahi hota hai ki aadmi jo research kar raha hai usse related information hi dhoondhega but tujhe mere se nafrat ke chalte yah bhi nahin dikh raha...... to tere se kitni hi jirah kar lu end result shoonya hi aayega.

simple sa formula hai bhai meri posts ko ignore maar diya kar .....

aur kya baar-baar history section chilla rahe ho? yahaan kya problem hai tumhen, jo baat kahni hai khul ke kaho. swami ji ne nyara padha aur wo bhi padha jo maine padha aur swami ji se nyara bhi dhoondha hai maine..... but jo brahminwad ki jakad mein fanse hon, unko apne hi bhaiyon ka nyara padha najar nahin aaya karta...... conclusion yahi hai ki tu mere se hate karni chhodega nahin so tere ko main jitne chaahe references de lun tum unko nakaarne se hatoge nahin.......

isliye sahi solution de raha hu, please just ignore whatever u don't like in my posts.

aur tere se swal kiya 300 versions of ramayan wala, laa diya jawab tune uska, nahin bas mere ko ghaseetne se matlab, it again shows ki tum mere se bahas nahin karte, tumhen sirf mere ko neecha dikhaane se matlab hai.... to bhai please don't try

Bhai...banu ja apne miya mithhu...!...are u open for discussion on History?..................I asked u few things and you gave me few links from jatland...and I don't have the answer.!!..bravo...........jo baahmano me ramayan mahabharat main kiya wo tu ab kar raha hai.....bakwaas ko history bata raha hai............hai kuch farak aapme aur mandi-fandi main?....aur tu bhi to apne faayde wale reference hi nikalta hai.............dossre ko blame karne se pehle apne aap ko bhi dekh liya karo..phool kuwaar ji............

Let us start here or better come in history section:

First :
Have u ever said that jats are native and baahmans are foreigner Aryan?...........or I need to dig out your post?...hahahaha.........

or on your favourite quote "jai yodheya"...........swami ji se nyara bhi kuch padha hai yodheyas ke bare main..ya fer chasma chadha liya ek be hi

[prashantacmet]

pahle to apne man ka mail saaf kar le, agar debate karni hai to, yaa to apni ghrina nibha payega mere se ya fir sahi se debate kar payega, donon cheejen ek sath nahin chala karti.

aur kyonki mujhe pata tha ki mere provide kiye reference to tujhe achche lagenge nahin, isliye socha JL pe pade references hi de du, ab tujhe uspe bhi chain nahin...... isliye to kah raha teri taslli main nahin kar paunga, kyonki tune nafrat bhar li hai mere liye apne ander.

ja tu dig out kar le, aur koi si bhi post fake lage to bata dena. har ek post mein proper reference hain. aur research ka siddhant hi yahi hota hai ki aadmi jo research kar raha hai usse related information hi dhoondhega but tujhe mere se nafrat ke chalte yah bhi nahin dikh raha...... to tere se kitni hi jirah kar lu end result shoonya hi aayega.

simple sa formula hai bhai meri posts ko ignore maar diya kar .....

aur kya baar-baar history section chilla rahe ho? yahaan kya problem hai tumhen, jo baat kahni hai khul ke kaho. swami ji ne nyara padha aur wo bhi padha jo maine padha aur swami ji se nyara bhi dhoondha hai maine..... but jo brahminwad ki jakad mein fanse hon, unko apne hi bhaiyon ka nyara padha najar nahin aaya karta...... conclusion yahi hai ki tu mere se hate karni chhodega nahin so tere ko main jitne chaahe references de lun tum unko nakaarne se hatoge nahin.......

isliye sahi solution de raha hu, please just ignore whatever u don't like in my posts.

aur tere se swal kiya 300 versions of ramayan wala, laa diya jawab tune uska, nahin bas mere ko ghaseetne se matlab, it again shows ki tum mere se bahas nahin karte, tumhen sirf mere ko neecha dikhaane se matlab hai.... to bhai please don't try

hahahha...ghrina kyoun hogi bhai??.............reason bata pehle?......maadi si baat ne kaha le gya bhai..kar di na kirad aali!!!!!!!...................tu hi to maanhe tha jawaab

ramayan mahbaharat main bahut se jhoot gadhe gaye hai.............aur maine aapko bas yeh kaha tha.......konsi gaal de di thi..aur tu shyana ban ke pahe bharan laag gya............ghrina tere dimmag main hai............aur main khaki NEKKAR aala n huin........aur mandi-fandi ku gaal bhi tere tai jyada hi deta huin...par maadi-motti kisi aur bhi sun liya kar kadhe-kadhak to..aur discussion jaha karna hai whaa kar le............

"On facebook and jatland, sometimes you may propagate the wrong history of Jats in the zest of countering mandi-fandi..please be careful when you dishonour someone..maybe they are your own ancestors"....

and reason to write the post was in "unionist mission" posts on FB , ram and krishna are dishonored soemtimes by you to honour baba saheb ambedkar........bharatpur jat kings took their lineage from yadu (krishna)...........Balyan (raghuvansi) take their lineage from Rama...to bhai chamaru ko khuch karne ke chakkar main apne waalu ne to gaal mat dyo

Let us start here :
jats and baahmans are from the same lineage .....eibb lya apne reference....

[phoolkumar]

ramayan ke 300 versions ya even jo 4-5 versions aajtak TV par dikhaaye ja chuke hain, unmen se kaunsa authentic version hai brahmins ke anusar, iska jawab la de, fir maan lunga ki de diya jawab, tak tak bye bolen? ya abhi aur matha khayega?

hahahha...ghrina kyoun hogi bhai??.............reason bata pehle?......maadi si baat ne kaha le gya bhai..kar di na kirad aali!!!!!!!...................tu hi to maanhe tha jawaab

[prashantacmet]

ramayan ke 300 versions ya even jo 4-5 versions aajtak TV par dikhaaye ja chuke hain, unmen se kaunsa authentic version hai brahmins ke anusar, iska jawab la de, fir maan lunga ki de diya jawab, tak tak bye bolen? ya abhi aur matha khayega?

kau se version...more or less..unme same hi cheeze dikhayi gayi hai..................tu bata de ke alag tha...?...........and I see ramayana and mahabharata as partially mythological...many things false only few are true..........

[phoolkumar]

chalo kuchh to samjh mein aaya tumhen ki unmen falsified cheejen hai, mere is thread ka purpose poora hua.

bye!

kau se version...more or less..unme same hi cheeze dikhayi gayi hai..................tu bata de ke alag tha...?...........and I see ramayana and mahabharata as partially mythological...many things false only few are true..........

[amitbudhwar]

Zero was invented independently by the Babylonians, Mayans and Indians (although some researchers say the Indian number systemwas influenced by the Babylonians). The Babylonians got their number system from the Sumerians, the first people in the world to develop a counting system.

http://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html

[phoolkumar]

सीता-स्वयंवर में वही शिव धनुष तोड़ने की शर्त थी जो एक बार सीता ने उठाकर कहीं रख दिया था जो कि अत्यंत भारी बताया जाता है|
कमाल की बात है ना कि जिस धनुष को रावण नहीं उठा सका, उसी धनुष को उठाने वाली इतनी बलशाली महिला का अपहरण कर ले गया?
That's why ramayana and mahabharata are work of fiction and imagination only, hardly anything logical or real! - Phool Kumar

[phoolkumar]

लंका से आने के बाद के एक ही काल में यह कैसे सम्भव हो सकता है कि एक तरफ तो दलित महर्षि सम्भूक को संस्कृत और वेद पढ़ने व् शास्त्रार्थ करने की दुष्टता पर ब्राह्मण, राजा राम के हाथों मरवा देते हैं और दूसरी तरफ एक दलित महर्षि बाल्मीकि उसी समय में ही इतना बड़ा विद्वान बन गया कि उसने पूरी रामायण बिना ब्राह्मणों के अवरोध और विरोध के ना सिर्फ लिख डाली वरन वो ब्राह्मणों ने स्वीकार भी कर ली?
That's why ramayana and mahabharata are work of fiction and imagination only, hardly anything logical or real! - Phool Kumar

[ayushkadyan]

लंका से आने के बाद के एक ही काल में यह कैसे सम्भव हो सकता है कि एक तरफ तो दलित महर्षि सम्भूक को संस्कृत और वेद पढ़ने व् शास्त्रार्थ करने की दुष्टता पर ब्राह्मण, राजा राम के हाथों मरवा देते हैं और दूसरी तरफ एक दलित महर्षि बाल्मीकि उसी समय में ही इतना बड़ा विद्वान बन गया कि उसने पूरी रामायण बिना ब्राह्मणों के अवरोध और विरोध के ना सिर्फ लिख डाली वरन वो ब्राह्मणों ने स्वीकार भी कर ली?
That's why ramayana and mahabharata are work of fiction and imagination only, hardly anything logical or real! - Phool Kumar

जब आपको पता ही है कि रामायण और महाभारत झूठ का पुलिंदा है तो फिर बहस किस बात की।
रहने दो फूल जी। क्यों बेकार में अपना टाइम खोटी कर रहे हो।

आज की जेनरेशन के पास अपने सिलेबस की किताबे तो पढ़ने का टाइम नहीं है। फिर इन सबके के लिए टाइम कहाँ से निकाले। वो तो भला हो बी आर चोपड़ा और रामानंद सागर का जिन्होंने इन ग्रंथो को टीवी पर दिखाने की ज़हमत दिखाई। वरना हमें तो ये भी न पता चलता कि ये किस चिड़िया का नाम है।

मैंने तो हमेशा इसे एंटरटेनमेंट के तौर पे ही लिया है। अब क्या फर्क पड़ता है कि क्या सच है क्या झूठ। न तो कृष्ण जिन्दा है न राम। और तो और न चोपड़ा और सागर साब जिन्दा है। फिर फैक्ट की वैरिफिकेशन करेगा कौन। इसलिए चिल फूल जी। बढ़ते कॉलेस्टरॉल के ज़माने में इतनी टेंशन सेहत पर भारी पड़ जाती है।

आज के टाइम में हम जाट क्या कर रहे है यह ज्यादा मैटर करता है। जीरो अगर सैलरी में या फसलो के रेट में जुड़े तो कुछ बात बने। नहीं तो आर्यभट साब भी मज़े लेके चले गए सब ने जीरो के चक्कर में उलझा के।
और हम माथापच्ची कर रहे कि पहले मुर्गी आई या अंडा। मेरा मतलब है कि ज़ीरो।

[phoolkumar]

Yah cheejen "zero" judne aur ghatne pe kaise impact daalti hain jis din yah samjh jaoge us din is post ka purpose bh samjh jaoge.

जीरो अगर सैलरी में या फसलो के रेट में जुड़े तो कुछ बात बने। नहीं तो आर्यभट साब भी मज़े लेके चले गए सब ने जीरो के चक्कर में उलझा के।
और हम माथापच्ची कर रहे कि पहले मुर्गी आई या अंडा। मेरा मतलब है कि ज़ीरो।

[ayushkadyan]

Yah cheejen "zero" judne aur ghatne pe kaise impact daalti hain jis din yah samjh jaoge us din is post ka purpose bh samjh jaoge.

Ghani gahri baat keh di..Gyan mil gaya ji..Logo ne kyu kar uljhaya jaya kare...