या तो 'रामायण/महाभारत' झूठी या फिर 'आर्य-भट्ट'

[phoolkumar]

या तो 'रामायण/महाभारत' झूठी या फिर 'आर्य-भट्ट' झूठा!

शून्य (0) का आविष्कार पाँचवीं सदी में आर्यभट्ट ने किया था, तो फिर त्रेता युग में रावण के दस (10) सर कैसे गिन लिए गए, बिना जीरो (0) के? या द्वापर युग में महाभारत में 100 कौरव कैसे गिन लिए गए? और कुरुक्षेत्र में किसी की 7 अक्षुणी सेना तो किसी की 11 अक्षुणी सेना के जीरो (0) 'आर्य-भट्ट' से पहले कैसे गिन लिए गए?

कह दो कि आर्यभट्ट ने शून्य (0) का आविष्कार नही किया था, नहीं तो हजारों वर्ष पुरानी रामायण, महाभारत झूठी साबित हो ...रही हैं|

एक और ऐसा बिंदु जो मेरे इस स्टैंड को सत्यापित करता है कि रामायण और महाभारत आठवीं सदी के शंकराचार्यों के काल में लिखी गई मीथोलॉजिकल रचनाएँ मात्र हैं|

फूल मलिक

[vijay]

Nobody claimed that Aryabhata invented Zero except you.

Sumerians were aware of counting large numbers and used zero. Babylonian used zero as a symbol in their counting.

Mayan used to evaluate stars and their positions in the sky which needed a lot of calculations. Such a complex calculation couldn't carried out without using zero.

Building huge and symmetrical architectural structures like Pyramids were not possible without any mathematical calculation. Egyptians knowledge about Zero represented in their Hieroglyphs.

In the Harappan Civilization remains, A bronze rod marked in units of 0.367 inches was discovered and points to the degree of accuracy which was used for measurements. Weights corresponding to units of 0.05, 0.01, 0.02, 0.5, 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 ,100, 200, and 500 also have been discovered.

In 5th century, Aryabhata evaluated and used this ZERO ( existing since thousands years ) to provide us the present decimal place value system of Modern Mathematics.

Please update your basic General Knowledge before taking a decisive STAND on such topics. Your argument here is below stupidity level to prove your point.

[DrRajpalSingh]

Nobody claimed that Aryabhata invented Zero except you.

Sumerians were aware of counting large numbers and used zero. Babylonian used zero as a symbol in their counting.

Mayan used to evaluate stars and their positions in the sky which needed a lot of calculations. Such a complex calculation couldn't carried out without using zero.

Building huge and symmetrical architectural structures like Pyramids were not possible without any mathematical calculation. Egyptians knowledge about Zero represented in their Hieroglyphs.

In the Harappan Civilization remains, A bronze rod marked in units of 0.367 inches was discovered and points to the degree of accuracy which was used for measurements. Weights corresponding to units of 0.05, 0.01, 0.02, 0.5, 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 ,100, 200, and 500 also have been discovered.

In 5th century, Aryabhata evaluated and used this ZERO ( existing since thousands years ) to provide us the present decimal place value system of Modern Mathematics.

Please update your basic General Knowledge before taking a decisive STAND on such topics. Your argument here is below stupidity level to prove your point.

Yes, In the absence of solid supporting data, the instant topic selected as thread heading, can better be avoided !

[phoolkumar]

The references which you have provided first three are of foreign origin. What I talked of here were both in Indian context. Reread my post.

Thanks for briefing me on correlation of periods of Mahabharata/Ramayana and Harappan Civilization. As far as I know Harppans are not as old as Mahabharata and Ramayana.

And kindly go to the high school syllabus books, if not of current syllabus at least of yours or ours time, it was clearly taught that "zero" was invented by Arya Bhatta.

Stupidity can be there but don't make it such a big issue to prove the whole post clueless.

And you know one more thing, in proving stupidity in this post you have at least fataled that song "jab zero diya mere bharat ne", either get me who was this person in bharat who gave zero (I think Arya Bhatt, right?) to world or otherwise your first three foreign references go fatal on you itself.

Nobody claimed that Aryabhata invented Zero except you.

Sumerians were aware of counting large numbers and used zero. Babylonian used zero as a symbol in their counting.

Mayan used to evaluate stars and their positions in the sky which needed a lot of calculations. Such a complex calculation couldn't carried out without using zero.

Building huge and symmetrical architectural structures like Pyramids were not possible without any mathematical calculation. Egyptians knowledge about Zero represented in their Hieroglyphs.

In the Harappan Civilization remains, A bronze rod marked in units of 0.367 inches was discovered and points to the degree of accuracy which was used for measurements. Weights corresponding to units of 0.05, 0.01, 0.02, 0.5, 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 ,100, 200, and 500 also have been discovered.

In 5th century, Aryabhata evaluated and used this ZERO ( existing since thousands years ) to provide us the present decimal place value system of Modern Mathematics.

Please update your basic General Knowledge before taking a decisive STAND on such topics. Your argument here is below stupidity level to prove your point.

[vijay]

The references which you have provided first three are of foreign origin. What I talked of here were both in Indian context. Reread my post.

History remains the same in any context that's why it is called History.

Thanks for briefing me on correlation of periods of Mahabharata/Ramayana and Harappan Civilization. As far as I know Harppans are not as old as Mahabharata and Ramayana.

We have proof of Harrapan Civilization and its much before Aryabhata's period. My point is that people were aware about the ZERO much before Aryabhata.

And kindly go to the high school syllabus books, if not of current syllabus at least of yours or ours time, it was clearly taught that "zero" was invented by Arya Bhatta.

You need to read those books again if you have any doubts. Aryabhata didn't invented ZERO but he invented Decimal place Value System which we use these days. In simple terms for you to understand, he gave the rules to use zero in mathematical operation but not the number zero itself.

And you know one more thing, in proving stupidity in this post you have at least fataled that song "jab zero diya mere bharat ne", either get me who was this person in bharat who gave zero (I think Arya Bhatt, right?) to world or otherwise your first three foreign references go fatal on you itself.

This is Hilarious. So, you use this song as a reference for your historical research ?

Now, tell me who is better Historian ?

Indivar who written the lyrics of this song or Mahender Kapoor who gave his voice to the song or Manoj Kumar on whom the song was filmed or Maybe you who is doing such a wonderful research ?

[phoolkumar]

So I asked who invented "zero" in india, you have no answer to it. Thanks for your knowledge and research too.

Ancient history was not as much connected as today's era. This all history is not far way connected. Or if you claim so then thanks for providing the sources through which and time when the three foreign sources provided by you entered India.

Next point is that "Zero diya mere bharat ne", do you think that they made it to make people stupid and nothing true in it. Well if they can make fool of people on such a large scale, then why r u arguing on? Though that's a different case if yours research is also incomplete in countering me.

Please bring some proof on connectivit of periods of ramayana/mahabharat to harppans. writing just for shake should not be sufficient when you claim my post a stupid one. Get proper facts or else what would be the use of wasting time like this?

History remains the same in any context that's why it is called History.



We have proof of Harrapan Civilization and its much before Aryabhata's period. My point is that people were aware about the ZERO much before Aryabhata.



You need to read those books again if you have any doubts. Aryabhata didn't invented ZERO but he invented Decimal place Value System which we use these days. In simple terms for you to understand, he gave the rules to use zero in mathematical operation but not the number zero itself.




This is Hilarious. So, you use this song as a reference for your historical research ?

Now, tell me who is better Historian ?

Indivar who written the lyrics of this song or Mahender Kapoor who gave his voice to the song or Manoj Kumar on whom the song was filmed or Maybe you who is doing such a wonderful research ?

[DrRajpalSingh]

Read an interesting article related with the topic,


link http://www.history.com/news/ask-hist...ented-the-zero

[phoolkumar]

Well this article supports my point only, its this line: "Sumerian scribes used spaces to denote absences in number columns as early as 4,000 years ago", proves that my argument is not a stupidity. It still remains logical because ramayan/mahabharat are claimed to be more than 5000 years older. Question still stands like: तो फिर त्रेता युग में रावण के दस (10) सर कैसे गिन लिए गए, बिना जीरो (0) के? या द्वापर युग में महाभारत में 100 कौरव कैसे गिन लिए गए? और कुरुक्षेत्र में किसी की 7 अक्षुणी सेना तो किसी की 11 अक्षुणी सेना के जीरो (0) कैसे गिन लिए गए? tht too more than 5000 years ago, right?

Hence I haven't brought here something as tagged or termed by you both that my post is a stupidity act. So please don't rush in hurry to mark someone's views so ridiculously.

Kisi ki research mein kami rah sakti hai, parntu yah koi approach nahin hoti jo aap donon (Dr. Rajpal and Vijay) ne apnai aur ek meri post ko stupidity to doosra isko hataane ki hi baat kar gaya.

Meri post se koi issue hai to aap log mujhe seedha bhi bol sakte hain ki phool jatland pe tum post hi mat kiya karo, instead of jumping with insensible critical views in hurry and proving blindly my posts as stupid work.

Read an interesting article related with the topic,


link http://www.history.com/news/ask-hist...ented-the-zero

[deswal]

Dear Friends,

I have never been a student of history; nor did I make any research on this issue. Just chanced upon this thread. I do not mean to poke my nose in a discussion of well educated people but thought it right to share an idea.

One possibility as to how people could count ten and its multiples in Dwapar and Treta periods could be that they knew how to count but were not using the numerals like an illiterate person of all ages does. All of us could, probably, allow of a substantial time gap between composition of these epics and their penning down in Devnagari, and the zero may also have been invented during anytime that intervened.

Thanks and regards

Ram Deswal

[phoolkumar]

Sir baat 10-1000-1000 tak ki ho to anpadh bhi count kar leve, parntu baat lakhs crores ki ho to anpadh count nahin kar pata.

moreover wo koi to lipi (script) method formula raha hoga, jiske base par iska pata lagaya gaya ki mahabharat me 7 akshuni sena etc. thi.

ya fir mere wali baat sach hai ki ramayan/mahabharat kalpnik hain aur 8th century mein likhi gai mythological creations only hian.

Dear Friends,

I have never been a student of history; nor did I make any research on this issue. Just chanced upon this thread. I do not mean to poke my nose in a discussion of well educated people but thought it right to share an idea.

One possibility as to how people could count ten and its multiples in Dwapar and Treta periods could be that they knew how to count but were not using the numerals like an illiterate person of all ages does. All of us could, probably, allow of a substantial time gap between composition of these epics and their penning down in Devnagari, and the zero may also have been invented during anytime that intervened.

Thanks and regards

Ram Deswal

[VirJ]

Humans learned counting many-many years before Ram was born.

Invention of Zero as a symbol and a word and its use in mathematical calculations can be debated however to say that before that we couldn't count is not true.

[prashantacmet]

Dear Phool kumar Ji:

Aap thoda thoda History ka tadka bhi lagate ho apne discussion main ...... kai saari cheese padhi ki aapki post main........aap apna point clear karenge history section main............Please free to start a new thread in History section..if you like....


We want to know about "yodheyas" from you? How jats and Yodheays related? jats are native tribe of India....baahmans are foreigner (Aryan)...jats are non-Aryan?..


But at-least educate us whether jat is a race or not? if yes...how?

[phoolkumar]

aapki baat ka jawab jatland pe hi "yauddheya" shabd se related books mein pada hai, for example read this one: http://www.jatland.com/home/Haryana_Ke_Vir_Youdheya

Though main isse fully agree nahin hoon, but fir bhi aapke kaam ka bahut kuchh mil sakta hai aapko is book mein. wo depend karta hai ki aap ismen se kya, kitna aur kyon nikaalna chahenge!

Read another link on JL itself: http://www.jatland.com/home/Yaudheya

http://www.jatland.com/home/Yaudheya...eyas_were_Jats

Though I don't agree with them as they relate it to mythology, except tht part, I am in agreement with them.

Dear Phool kumar Ji:

Aap thoda thoda History ka tadka bhi lagate ho apne discussion main ...... kai saari cheese padhi ki aapki post main........aap apna point clear karenge history section main............Please free to start a new thread in History section..if you like....


We want to know about "yodheyas" from you? How jats and Yodheays related? jats are native tribe of India....baahmans are foreigner (Aryan)...jats are non-Aryan?..


But at-least educate us whether jat is a race or not? if yes...how?

[amitbudhwar]

Zero was invented independently by the Babylonians, Mayans and Indians (although some researchers say the Indian number systemwas influenced by the Babylonians). The Babylonians got their number system from the Sumerians, the first people in the world to develop a counting system.

http://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html