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    Tension in Institutions of Higher Education

    It is distressing to note that during the last few months educational institutions of higher learning like central universities and NIT have become a play ground of petty politics so much so that armed forces have/had to move to take control of the situation. Recent police action at NIT Srinagar and its aftermath is snowballing into a major issue debate among various political parties as well as parents/guardians of the students about the safety of the students in such a prestigious institution.

    What we are upto in the future, needs a serious discussion and decision.

    Kindly share your comments, views on the issue.
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    Situation in NITs are always like this. Problem is in thestate quota system. NITs have 50% local (within state) population and 50% otherstates. A system was created long time ago where one state studentswill be ragged together and will stay together. Even withinstate students were divided based on their district. I have seen manyclashes between other states students and locals. Local are alwaysstrong and other state students has to buckle down. Srinagar case is different,govt. has provided them CRPF protection. Police always protects local whetherits Srinagar or Haryana, UP elsewhere. Issue was not that big as it wascreated. Everybody know they don't fly tricolour in Srinagar. Beating up ofstudents shows the even police is with separatist. BJP messed up the JNU issue.Let’s see how they handle this one.
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    BJP messed up everywhere. You will see them loosing in upcoming elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amitbudhwar View Post
    BJP messed up everywhere. You will see them loosing in upcoming elections.

    The reaction of almost all big or small political parties to the incident points to the expected influence of these events on their vote share. No exception at all.

    In view of Upcoming states' assembly elections, political parties messing up security of students and their educational career for petty politics of vote banks.

    What a sorry state of affairs at the temples of education. Would the politicians start to see real problems of the Hyderabad, New Delhi and Srinagar Institutions beyond the mirror of vote bank politics?

    Any guess !
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    The real problems are the politicians themselves since they started to have their eyes on the educational institutes. Every party have their own student wings to penetrate deeper into the student's fresh and energetic minds. Any aspiring brilliant student or a good for nothing type student could easily get convinced by the motivation provided by these student wings and could try to become a "Kanhaiya".

    As every party is involved in this phenomenon, so there is no chance of sparing students by these politicians. Politicians wants to see some happenings in the educational institutes so that they could involve themselves and play their cards. Student Union elections also plays a major role for political aspirations among the students. Political parties openly declare their candidates under the name of their student wings.

    Lets talk about some ideal solutions :

    A good option could be banning all kind of elections in educational institutes including Universities. But, i afraid that any political party would like this idea.

    Second option could be a mutual agreement by all the parties that they won't involve themselves in educational institutes. But, again it seems a far fetched idea knowing the mindset of politicians. They never agree on anything.

    Third option could be the students decisions that they won't entertain any political person or agenda in the campus. This doesn't seems practically feasible.

    So, it seems that we can't stop political or politician's interference in the educational institutes.

    Any other solutions ?
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    Politics is integral part of our all acts, our system, resource utilization, community service. We all are some some degree of politician with us which comes out in our views and thoughts .... We can not think a system in our society with out politics... therefore
    if a problem does not have solutions to satisfy every-one, then do nothing may be a best option......
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    Quote Originally Posted by rskankara View Post
    Politics is integral part of our all acts, our system, resource utilization, community service. We all are some some degree of politician with us which comes out in our views and thoughts .... We can not think a system in our society with out politics... therefore
    if a problem does not have solutions to satisfy every-one, then do nothing may be a best option......
    True but something has to be done at the highest level to cleanse the mess in educational system.

    Only pointing out weaknesses in the education system by HRD Minister or other highly placed persons will not do any good.

    Since BJP is ruling at the centre as well as majority of states of India, it is expected that they would rise to the occasion and root out bottlenecks in decision making to reform the present state of higher education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vijay View Post

    The real problems are the politicians themselves since they started to have their eyes on the educational institutes. Every party have their own student wings to penetrate deeper into the student's fresh and energetic minds. Any aspiring brilliant student or a good for nothing type student could easily get convinced by the motivation provided by these student wings and could try to become a "Kanhaiya".

    As every party is involved in this phenomenon, so there is no chance of sparing students by these politicians. Politicians wants to see some happenings in the educational institutes so that they could involve themselves and play their cards. Student Union elections also plays a major role for political aspirations among the students. Political parties openly declare their candidates under the name of their student wings.

    Lets talk about some ideal solutions :

    A good option could be banning all kind of elections in educational institutes including Universities. But, i afraid that any political party would like this idea.

    Second option could be a mutual agreement by all the parties that they won't involve themselves in educational institutes. But, again it seems a far fetched idea knowing the mindset of politicians. They never agree on anything.

    Third option could be the students decisions that they won't entertain any political person or agenda in the campus. This doesn't seems practically feasible.

    So, it seems that we can't stop political or politician's interference in the educational institutes.

    Any other solutions ?
    Good attempt to dissect the problem.

    In addition, we must look towards improving quality of our general and professional education being provided at the present juncture at the level of Universities, NITs, IITs, and other management and research related institutions. They are lagging far behind to their counterparts in other countries of the world.

    The improvement of standard of education must be treated as a national agenda agreed upon by all political parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Since BJP is ruling at the centre as well as majority of states of India, it is expected that they would rise to the occasion and root out bottlenecks in decision making to reform the present state of higher education.
    I do agree that as a ruling party it's BJP's responsibility to fix the unwanted happenings and activities apart from making reform in the education system. Its easier said than done considering the present political scenario of the country. How could someone take a new step when your every step is being manipulated in a wrong way to question your intentions ?

    Let's start with JNU incident.

    I assume that everybody would like to agree that "Bhart ki barbaadi tak ... jung rahegi" is an unethical and anti national slogan by all the applicable and feasible criterion. No reason, the accused or their supporter telling behind shouting this slogan, can justify this act to be in right spirit. So, every responsible party, media and people should have condemned the act unanimously without any biased views. But, it happened otherwise when Government took some action. Opposition parties and media painted the whole issue with some other paints. They started questioning about the intentions of the Government instead of questioning the accused students. And a political puppet student shouting an anti national slogan was declared a hero. Politics was never so cheap and stupid in past though all parties used to take benefits from whatever issues they come across. But, this is like intentionally creating such issues to keep their politics alive and kicking.

    NIT Srinagar

    Being overly cautious after the JNU incident, Government didn't involved themselves in the NIT Srinagar incident. If BJP got directly involed in NIT, all the Media and opposition would have been visiting Srinagar for their share of TRP and political mileage.

    Good for nothing Media and opposition never uttered a word against the happenings in NIT. Political parties and Media didn't see anything wrong in beating the student who calling "Bharat Mata Ki Jai" and insulting the Tricolor too. I do agree that nobody could force you to say "Bharat Mata Ki Jai" but then who gave you the right to beat the students who are saying it willingly ?

    Unfortunately, it would not stop here. These politicians are surely eyeing on many other institutes or Universities to spread it further. These young students would not settle down peacefully after a Award Returning ceremony but these students are aggressive and violent in behavior which could cause a major unrest in the country. And that's what politicians are looking for.

    The kind of politics opposition is doing, its just started to happen and would travel a long distance in the Indian politics to change the way of doing politics in future. But its unfortunate that after Award returning, intolerance, fear of Hinduism and many other political stunts politicians have started playing with the lives and careers of the young students i.e. future of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vijay View Post
    I do agree that as a ruling party it's BJP's responsibility to fix the unwanted happenings and activities apart from making reform in the education system. Its easier said than done considering the present political scenario of the country. How could someone take a new step when your every step is being manipulated in a wrong way to question your intentions ?

    Let's start with JNU incident.

    I assume that everybody would like to agree that "Bhart ki barbaadi tak ... jung rahegi" is an unethical and anti national slogan by all the applicable and feasible criterion. No reason, the accused or their supporter telling behind shouting this slogan, can justify this act to be in right spirit. So, every responsible party, media and people should have condemned the act unanimously without any biased views. But, it happened otherwise when Government took some action. Opposition parties and media painted the whole issue with some other paints. They started questioning about the intentions of the Government instead of questioning the accused students. And a political puppet student shouting an anti national slogan was declared a hero. Politics was never so cheap and stupid in past though all parties used to take benefits from whatever issues they come across. But, this is like intentionally creating such issues to keep their politics alive and kicking.

    NIT Srinagar

    Being overly cautious after the JNU incident, Government didn't involved themselves in the NIT Srinagar incident. If BJP got directly involed in NIT, all the Media and opposition would have been visiting Srinagar for their share of TRP and political mileage.

    Good for nothing Media and opposition never uttered a word against the happenings in NIT. Political parties and Media didn't see anything wrong in beating the student who calling "Bharat Mata Ki Jai" and insulting the Tricolor too. I do agree that nobody could force you to say "Bharat Mata Ki Jai" but then who gave you the right to beat the students who are saying it willingly ?

    Unfortunately, it would not stop here. These politicians are surely eyeing on many other institutes or Universities to spread it further. These young students would not settle down peacefully after a Award Returning ceremony but these students are aggressive and violent in behavior which could cause a major unrest in the country. And that's what politicians are looking for.

    The kind of politics opposition is doing, its just started to happen and would travel a long distance in the Indian politics to change the way of doing politics in future. But its unfortunate that after Award returning, intolerance, fear of Hinduism and many other political stunts politicians have started playing with the lives and careers of the young students i.e. future of the country.
    Comment limited to Just last para of your post: Instead of "the kind of politics opposition is doing..." needs addition of " the kind of politics opposition as well as ruling party is doing". Blaming one side is not the whole truth.

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    Under the circumstances, even now if no remedial steps to redress the real problems being faced by students in general and the country in particular are not given national agenda priority none can predict where these events will last !

    One is shuddered to imagine the future of our beloved citizens and the country as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Comment limited to Just last para of your post: Instead of "the kind of politics opposition is doing..." needs addition of " the kind of politics opposition as well as ruling party is doing". Blaming one side is not the whole truth.
    If we are discussing JNU case here than surely its opposition who is to be blamed for supporting the mischievous students who were shouting Anti-National slogans. The student who were admiring a terrorist who was prosecuted and punished by Supreme Court and President of India. The opposition parties supported those students in the name of freedom of speech. Ironically, the party during whose regime the terrorist was prosecuted and hanged was supporting those students. Instead of condemning the act these parties were trying to paint an Anti-National student as hero as well as questioning the intentions of the Government behind the action taken.

    And you want to say that blaming one side is not the whole truth.

    Would you like to spare some time to tell us the whole truth to avoid further misunderstanding on such issues. It would be interesting to know how ruling party as well as opposition are doing the same kind of politics in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vijay View Post
    If we are discussing JNU case here than surely its opposition who is to be blamed for supporting the mischievous students who were shouting Anti-National slogans. The student who were admiring a terrorist who was prosecuted and punished by Supreme Court and President of India. The opposition parties supported those students in the name of freedom of speech. Ironically, the party during whose regime the terrorist was prosecuted and hanged was supporting those students. Instead of condemning the act these parties were trying to paint an Anti-National student as hero as well as questioning the intentions of the Government behind the action taken. And you want to say that blaming one side is not the whole truth. Would you like to spare some time to tell us the whole truth to avoid further misunderstanding on such issues. It would be interesting to know how ruling party as well as opposition are doing the same kind of politics in this case.
    Friend,

    Both opposition and ruling party are on equal footing as they are infringing upon the University autonomy and the court jurisdiction to decide the matter on merit. They want to settle the issue by holding pro and against demonstrations on the issue of JNU.

    The matter is surely very serious whether Kanhiya was involved in slogan raising or not ? But this cannot be commented upon as of now as the case is before court for final decision.

    Since for and against both the opposition n ruling party are involved in supporting n opposing the issue, clearly shows eagerness of both sides to tilt the case in their respective sides. This is what I am saying--the involvement of too much politics in University affairs is a matter of concern for all.

    Media trial n street demonstrations will yield no concrete results, the court trial would do. We all must wait n respect the courts of the land to decide such serious allegations. Let the courts decide and punish who is responsible for raising the anti-national slogans.

    And in the meantime, the politicians could take time to decide how to overcome difficulties being faced by people due to water scarcity, hunger, unemployment, security of our boarders, the problem of terrorism internal as well as external and so on.

    But it is doubtful under the present state of affairs in the country they will resist temptation to raise accusing figures against one another on University affairs !

    Do you think otherwise, kindly share also your views about the need of university autonomy and responsibility which is the core point in dealing with such issues.
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    राजनीति का ककहरा सीखना हो तो कॉलेज कैंपस से बढ़िया जगह कोई नहीं| सुना है जब रॉकेट्स इज़ाद हुए, उनके लॉन्चिंग पैड से ही राजनीति के लॉन्चिंग पैड तैयार करने की सूझी| आज कॉलेज कैंपस वही तो काम कर रहे है|

    ये तो बात हुई हिस्ट्री की| अब आते है आज के हालात पर| देश में सियासत के मुद्दे मीडिया तय कर रही है| ये वो मुद्दे होते है जिन्हें मीडिया घडती है| हम इन्हें नाम देंगे "मुद्दों की लाश" का | "धार्मिक असहिष्णुता" , "अभिव्यक्ति की आज़ादी पर हमला", "शिक्षा का भगवाकरण", "भारत माता की जय" जैसी बाते "मुद्दों की लाश" की कैटेगरी में आते है| जब भी ये मुद्दे मीडिया उछालती है| तो राजनैतिक गिद्ध इन पर टूट पड़ते है|

    ये खुजली वाले गिद्ध है| ये मुद्दों की लाश पर सियासत करते है| असल मुद्दों से ये कोसो दूर है| ये मंहगाई, भ्रष्टाचार, काला धन , किसानो की आत्महत्या जैसे मुद्दों पर प्रदर्शन नहीं करते| जो मुद्दों की लाश इन्हें मीडिया देती है उसे नोच नोच कर पूरे देश में फैला देते है|

    आजकल ये राजनैतिक गिद्ध देश के ख़ास तबके पर मेहरबां है| कभी ये गिद्ध जेएनयू जाकर बैठ जाते है| तो कभी रोहित वेमुला की लाश पर सियासत करते है| इनके निशाने पर हमेशा वोट बैंक होता है| कभी यह मुस्लिम तो कभी दलित हो जाता है| इन्हें फ़िक्र नहीं कि सरकार को उसके चुनावी वायदों को लेकर घेरे| इन्हें महंगी दाल मुद्दा नहीं दिखती| लेकिन बीफ बड़ा मुद्दा लगता है| इनके लिए खेतो में किसानो की आत्महत्या मुद्दा नहीं है| कॉलेज कैम्पस में एक छात्र की आत्महत्या मुद्दा है| क्योंकि किसानो की आत्महत्या से कोई वोट बैंक नहीं जुड़ा| लेकिन रोहित वेमुला से दलित वोट बैंक जुड़ा है| ऊपर से मीडिया का साथ भी है चौबीसों घंटे कवरेज़ के लिए|

    वैसे भी इनके लिए क्या फायदा किसानो के, महंगाई में पिसते लोगो के मुद्दे उठाने मे| अगर सड़क पर उतरे इन मुद्दों को लेकर, सारा जोश तो आंसू गैस के गोलों और पानी की बौछारों में पुलिस धो देगी| ऊपर से मीडिया भी कुछेक मिनट की कवरेज के बाद शांत हो जाएगी| ये मुद्दे घिसे पिटे है| इनमे कोई सोफिस्टीकेशन नहीं है| न ही इन पर प्राइम टाइम में बुद्धिजीवी कोई बहस कर पाते|

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Both opposition and ruling party are on equal footing as they are infringing upon the University autonomy and the court jurisdiction to decide the matter on merit. They want to settle the issue by holding pro and against demonstrations on the issue of JNU.

    The matter is surely very serious whether Kanhiya was involved in slogan raising or not ? But this cannot be commented upon as of now as the case is before court for final decision.

    Since for and against both the opposition n ruling party are involved in supporting n opposing the issue, clearly shows eagerness of both sides to tilt the case in their respective sides. This is what I am saying--the involvement of too much politics in University affairs is a matter of concern for all.


    I failed to understand what you want to covey here. You want to say that Government or Administration should have informed the court about the Anti Natioanal activities and wait for court's decision to decide whether it was an Anti National activity or not ? So, administration must have waited till court's decision and enjoy the show instead of taking action of arresting the accused and representing them to the court for further proceedings.

    In one of your previous post you stated that as a ruling party its BJP's responsibility that they should rise to the occasion to root out the problem. On the other hand, you are questioning their intentions behiind the timely action taken to stop those activities.

    Since you have choosen both Heads and Tails sides of the coin, what option do you recommend for the ruling party to rise for the occasion in such cases ?



    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Media trial n street demonstrations will yield no concrete results, the court trial would do. We all must wait n respect the courts of the land to decide such serious allegations. Let the courts decide and punish who is responsible for raising the anti-national slogans.

    I do agree that let's court must decide what's right and wrong.

    If i remember correctly, court has already decided and punished a terrorist. Banners and slogan to glorify the acts of the terrorist were being shouted openly. Do administration still have to ask to court whether the banners and slogan in favor of a punished terrorist was anti national or not ?


    I am not a Constitutional or Law expert, so i would like to ask what is normal procedure to handle a crime or criminal activity in public ?

    I suppose ( i may be wrong, if so then please correct me ) that its like Administration keeping tracks of the activities, if they encounter something illegal or suspicious then they take action and later represent the accused in the court for further action or decision. Or, is it other way around, like Courts keeping track of such activities and then order administration to arrest them and represent the accused in the court for further proceedings.

    I would like to know what abnormal ( out of procedure ) action was taken by Government or Administration in this case which forced you to smell a political flavor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vijay View Post
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    I failed to understand what you want to covey here. You want to say that Government or Administration should have informed the court about the Anti Natioanal activities and wait for court's decision to decide whether it was an Anti National activity or not ? So, administration must have waited till court's decision and enjoy the show instead of taking action of arresting the accused and representing them to the court for further proceedings.

    In one of your previous post you stated that as a ruling party its BJP's responsibility that they should rise to the occasion to root out the problem. On the other hand, you are questioning their intentions behiind the timely action taken to stop those activities.

    Since you have choosen both Heads and Tails sides of the coin, what option do you recommend for the ruling party to rise for the occasion in such cases ?






    I do agree that let's court must decide what's right and wrong.

    If i remember correctly, court has already decided and punished a terrorist. Banners and slogan to glorify the acts of the terrorist were being shouted openly. Do administration still have to ask to court whether the banners and slogan in favor of a punished terrorist was anti national or not ?


    I am not a Constitutional or Law expert, so i would like to ask what is normal procedure to handle a crime or criminal activity in public ?

    I suppose ( i may be wrong, if so then please correct me ) that its like Administration keeping tracks of the activities, if they encounter something illegal or suspicious then they take action and later represent the accused in the court for further action or decision. Or, is it other way around, like Courts keeping track of such activities and then order administration to arrest them and represent the accused in the court for further proceedings.

    I would like to know what abnormal ( out of procedure ) action was taken by Government or Administration in this case which forced you to smell a political flavor.
    Dear Friend,

    I am neither supporting ruling party or opposition parties as well as I am not defending the 'anti-national sloganeering' on the JNU Campus. The purpose of the thread is much broader than JNU or the just three incidents. It is intended to discuss ways and means to stop recurrence of such incidents in future. Secondly it is to draw the attention of the authorities for the need of reforms in the present gamut of higher education. So far as possible we must be impartial in our approach. Government means government of India. Yesterday it was purely of the Congress then came and went Janata Party and Janata Dal followed by UPA, NDA, UPA and now again NDA led mainly by BJP. The need of reforms in our educational system has remained by and large neglected to the extent that our highest educational institutions like Central Universities, NITs or IITs etc stand nowhere in first 50 or 100 such best institutions of the world .

    The point to BJP was made expecting that they would initiate some concrete steps to improve the educational scenario in the country by taking it as national agenda. So read carefully the issues raised in the very first introductory post and everything would be clear to u.

    Since I have no full details and first hand information on the JNU issue/points I cannot declare anyone as responsible for the mess in the matter. But the media trial and taking the issue to streets by the political parties is not in good taste for our education system.

    Going by the Media reports and debates/discussions by panelists drawn from various political parties and street demonstrations for and against sponsored by various political parties leave none but to smell a political flavour in the whole issue.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Dear Friend,

    I am neither supporting ruling party or opposition parties as well as I am not defending the 'anti-national sloganeering' on the JNU Campus. The purpose of the thread is much broader than JNU or the just three incidents. It is intended to discuss ways and means to stop recurrence of such incidents in future. Secondly it is to draw the attention of the authorities for the need of reforms in the present gamut of higher education. So far as possible we must be impartial in our approach. Government means government of India. Yesterday it was purely of the Congress then came and went Janata Party and Janata Dal followed by UPA, NDA, UPA and now again NDA led mainly by BJP. The need of reforms in our educational system has remained by and large neglected to the extent that our highest educational institutions like Central Universities, NITs or IITs etc stand nowhere in first 50 or 100 such best institutions of the world .

    The point to BJP was made expecting that they would initiate some concrete steps to improve the educational scenario in the country by taking it as national agenda. So read carefully the issues raised in the very first introductory post and everything would be clear to u.

    Since I have no full details and first hand information on the JNU issue/points I cannot declare anyone as responsible for the mess in the matter. But the media trial and taking the issue to streets by the political parties is not in good taste for our education system.

    Going by the Media reports and debates/discussions by panelists drawn from various political parties and street demonstrations for and against sponsored by various political parties leave none but to smell a political flavour in the whole issue.

    Thanks
    Nobody is supporting or opposing or defending anybody here but we are discussing the action and reactions of the various political parties and their unwanted interference in the educational institutes. I am not declaring that any political party is clean in this scenario.

    I, also, understand the purpose of this thread. The only difference is our approach to understand the situation. How could someone fix things without knowing the actual cause of the problem. I just want to discuss and conclude which political party started to paint it in political colors at first so that for others parties it became essential to jump into the playground to defend their usual posts. On the other hand, you are just accusing all the parties equally and simultaneously which is impossible by any means. At least one party must have initiated the dirty game by jumping into the mud and forced others also to jump in. Or do you really think that all the parties unanimously decided to jump in together and churned out Kanhaiya as a by product.

    So, i would like to know what's your approach here if you don't want to discuss who is at the wrong side of the fence ? If someone don't have all the information then it is an incompetent approach to accuse all the parties equally for the incident. Accusing all the parties doesn't mean that someone is impartial in his approach but it only shows the weakness of not pointing a finger towards the guilty party. Morever, how can we figure out the solution if we don't know about the actual reason or culprit.

    Overly diplomatic and manipulatively balanced statements never solve any real problems. Problem solving needs clear, simple and direct statements like A initiated the problems in incident X, B fueled the proceedings in incident Y.

    For me, it doesn't make any sense to use diplomatic statements like politicians regarding such incidents and some preaching to the Government about the need to rise for occasions to do the needful and fix certain things which we still don't know.

    I wonder if you take seriously the prime time debates on the private news channels and the sponsored news. Some of them always turn out really hilarious. I won't be surprized if someday any such wonderful and innovative debate conclude with a statement that Indus Valley Civilization was vanished due to a war between Secular and Communal forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vijay View Post
    Nobody is supporting or opposing or defending anybody here but we are discussing the action and reactions of the various political parties and their unwanted interference in the educational institutes. I am not declaring that any political party is clean in this scenario.

    I, also, understand the purpose of this thread. The only difference is our approach to understand the situation. How could someone fix things without knowing the actual cause of the problem. I just want to discuss and conclude which political party started to paint it in political colors at first so that for others parties it became essential to jump into the playground to defend their usual posts. On the other hand, you are just accusing all the parties equally and simultaneously which is impossible by any means. At least one party must have initiated the dirty game by jumping into the mud and forced others also to jump in. Or do you really think that all the parties unanimously decided to jump in together and churned out Kanhaiya as a by product.

    So, i would like to know what's your approach here if you don't want to discuss who is at the wrong side of the fence ? If someone don't have all the information then it is an incompetent approach to accuse all the parties equally for the incident. Accusing all the parties doesn't mean that someone is impartial in his approach but it only shows the weakness of not pointing a finger towards the guilty party. Morever, how can we figure out the solution if we don't know about the actual reason or culprit.

    Overly diplomatic and manipulatively balanced statements never solve any real problems. Problem solving needs clear, simple and direct statements like A initiated the problems in incident X, B fueled the proceedings in incident Y.

    For me, it doesn't make any sense to use diplomatic statements like politicians regarding such incidents and some preaching to the Government about the need to rise for occasions to do the needful and fix certain things which we still don't know.

    I wonder if you take seriously the prime time debates on the private news channels and the sponsored news. Some of them always turn out really hilarious. I won't be surprized if someday any such wonderful and innovative debate conclude with a statement that Indus Valley Civilization was vanished due to a war between Secular and Communal forces.
    Good post on JNU issue as how n what u want to be discussed.

    Your post also indicates as if you were having full case history of JNU issue right from 9th February 2014. If so kindly come out with data/information so that further comments of the participants could be invited.

    Moreover, till the history of details on JNU issue emerge, comments of the participants on the need of much delayed reforms and updation of our educational institutions to bring them at par with international standards, are welcome.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Good post on how n what u want to be discussed.

    Your post indicates that you are having full case history of JNU case right from 9th February 2014. If so kindly come out with data/information so that further comments of the participants could be invited.

    Moreover, till the details on this issue are gathered, comments on the need of much delayed reforms and updation of our educational institutions to bring them at par with international standards are welcome.

    Thanks.
    Sir ji,

    There is no harm in calling a spade a spade.
    Nobody is going to declare you a government supporter or any other party supporter if you make comment on their involvement in JNU incident. You are just trying to maintain a safe distance from all the parties diplomatically in the context of JNU.
    I think you don't want to look like a particular party supporter to the audience. Not a bad approach but you should also not ignore whatever happened in JNU was quite unfortunate. There is no harm in raising your voice or being vocal about the culprits of an incident.
    We may be diplomatic about so many things but JNU incident is certainly not of them.
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    BJP messed up everywhere. You will see them loosing in upcoming elections.
    They are flaring up the issue. 150 students were detained at Lakhanpur yesterday who arrived from Delhi to fly the National flag in Srinagar. The students are linked with Bhagat Singh Kranti Sena. Anupam Kher also detained at airport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akshaymalik84 View Post
    They are flaring up the issue. 150 students were detained at Lakhanpur yesterday who arrived from Delhi to fly the National flag in Srinagar. The students are linked with Bhagat Singh Kranti Sena. Anupam Kher also detained at airport.

    Who are
    they ? Is flying National Flag crime, illegal or Anti National Act ?

    OK. Let us assume that you want to say about the student from other areas arriving from outside to ignite the already hot situation in Srinagar. Those incoming students might have coming by their own will or might be called upon by the Srinagar students for their help in the critical situation. So, is it your point that they should not visit Srinagar ?

    Let us review another recent example. During Jat agitation in Haryana, Jat population was outnumbered by other communities mainly in the cities. And then, Jats from the surrounding villages and other areas came to support them. Jats also asked for help from the Jats from other states like Delhi, UP and Rajasthan. Now, i would like to ask if they were flaring up the issue ?

    I don't see anything wrong in both the cases. If an agitation demanding reservation is not a crime, illegal or Anti National Act then how come flying a national flag is wrong ?

    However, i see one more similarity in these incidents. In Haryana, Jats were demanding reservation and some other communities tried to stop them by the acts of violence. In Srinagar, some students want to fly the National Flag while other students are trying to stop them by means of violence.

    Demanding reservation might be a topic open for discussion that whether it is justified or not but no law or theory can deny the constitutional right of flying National Flag.

    Who is flaring up the issue ?
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