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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

    Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


    This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.
    Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

    Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



    This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]


    Religious namification of tribes can not be root identification of tribes. Words that come from religion are mostly created out of social structures, needs, etc. While root words emerge from work, life style, clans, family relationships, etc.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The words like "budhana", seems to be combination of two words " Budh + han", this another symbol of totanism, which still carries on several hundred years after the death of "Buddha or buda" , as spelled in different dialects. In ancient times people/tribes were living far off places , to retain their ancient tribal links these tribes would name places with their ancient root words. As "Buda" was a great person of his time, it is possible that these ancient tribes although settled in different parts of the country/world carried "root words" maintain their ancient identity. This tells that "Buddha or Budda" came from the same tribe.

    The word "BudhHana " does not mean that all the people who were "Han" were "Buddhist", nor does it mean all the "Buddhist were Han". The word "BudhHana" seems to be only a totamic representation of people who are Buddhist and are Han as well. This also means that there were other people who were not "Han" and were "Buddhist". The use of word "Han", has ancient roots in nomadic and travelling people but religious identity is not a representation of origins of tribes, people, migration, etc. Roots of people are not connected with religion.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Diversity of the horse riding people of "Silk route" can be seen from the fact that there is a valley in pakistan called "Hunza".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunza_Valley

    The people who live in this valley are or ancient Greek origin. Lot of Jat and similar tribe family names can be traced to ancient Greeks, who came to Indian subcontinent with Alexander the Great.
    On the other side Hepthalites are called "White Huns".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire

    So, the word "Hun" connects more with Horse riding people from Ancient middle east, Central Asia, Mongolia, Ancient China and ancient Europe.
    Greeks came to India around 300 BC , while last known big Scythian migration into India was around 4th century AD. Lot of Alexander army people who followed Alexander settled down in north western India. We must remember Armies in the past, as in present time had soldiers from various ethnic backgrounds, this could also mean that Army of Scythians also had soldiers from different background and it is also possible that the Greek soldiers and other tribes settled in ancient north western India and central Asia. This may explain presence of different family names from various background. Physical presence of Jats and similar tribes show a trend of north western habitation and beyond certain regions of India these tribes were not present in ancient India.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Interestingly there are two Villages of Ata or aata origin in Haryana:

    https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha

    https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha


    and then we have a village called :


    http://wikiedit.org/India/Mirpur-Jattan/13277/

    Mirpur,,, which again connected with Mir or moor culture.

    and then there is :

    http://allindiafacts.com/places/utta...pur-jatan.html

    the word is Jatan the origin word seem to be : Jat + Han,

    the word tells about ancient horse riding nomads from central Asian.

    This could very well connect with Indo Scythian migration or Hapthalite migrations into ancient India.

    https://depts.washington.edu/silkroa...phthalite.html


    One can not purely believe on what is written on websites influenced by religion and religious factors.

    https://depts.washington.edu/silkroa...phthalite.html


    There is a need to study various studies done on these tribes to come out on real conclusion. On the other hand in India lot of these different tribes share common community names might be from similar origins.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Jats seem to be losing the recognition of their ancient nomadic lifestyle due to religious cults. Women who were originally part of horse riding nomads(as one thought process says that only men migrated to the Indian subcontinent) seem to be getting more Indeanized and there is loss of original culture due to "Sari culture", while the original dress of these ancient women nomads included long skirts and pants like those of male counterparts. Men are also losing the original ancient dresses as there is no archaeological work has ever been done to trace out the original dressing/working/migrating clothes of these ancient tribes.

    The pre Indianization (sari culture) clothing of these tribes would have been like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bOfKIAchwI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5juKSuRTnCM

    One can still see glimpses of these dresses in the clothes being made in north western India but sari culture and religious indoctrination has changed lot of ancient past.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The pre Indianization (sari culture) clothing of these tribes would have been like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bOfKIAchwI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5juKSuRTnCM

    One can still see glimpses of these dresses in the clothes being made in north western India but sari culture and religious indoctrination has changed lot of ancient past.

    f we see the above videos we see a glimpse of clothes worn by people who were using horses as a means of travel.

    There were the roots of Hunnic society, where male and female were able to ride horses, so they needed more practical clothes and not Sari,,,,,,this clearly shows,,,,Sari culture more indigenous, to India, rather than to tribes of so called "Bharat".

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    f we see the above videos we see a glimpse of clothes worn by people who were using horses as a means of travel.

    There were the roots of Hunnic society, where male and female were able to ride horses, so they needed more practical clothes and not Sari,,,,,,this clearly shows,,,,Sari culture more indigenous, to India, rather than to tribes of so called "Bharat".

    sari culture might be more related with socioreligious thought process and not with original wear of these historic tribes

  8. #48
    Lot of the family names might not be as ancient or of southern origins. Family names like "Saulanki", might not be at all connected to "Shrilanka" or anywhere in the south, rather, the similar sounding name might have its origins in ancient central Asian tribes, which could have been Indeanized for religious and local consumption.

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