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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The words like "budhana", seems to be combination of two words " Budh + han", this another symbol of totanism, which still carries on several hundred years after the death of "Buddha or buda" , as spelled in different dialects. In ancient times people/tribes were living far off places , to retain their ancient tribal links these tribes would name places with their ancient root words. As "Buda" was a great person of his time, it is possible that these ancient tribes although settled in different parts of the country/world carried "root words" maintain their ancient identity. This tells that "Buddha or Budda" came from the same tribe.
    Nawajuddin Siddiqui comes from the same town Budhana, Muzaffarnagar.
    Last edited by ayushkadyan; July 20th, 2016 at 08:42 PM.
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The original spelling could very well had been Jathan which is now misspelled as Jatan.

    The Hunnic nomads of central Asia were a diverse group of different tribes. The "Hun" connects with "Horse riding people, so there are people from ancient Greeks who came with Alexander the great, then there were ancient Romans, nomadic tribes of central Asia, all these Hunnic tribes were linked with silk route, which was the main connecting route between Europe,Central Asia and, Middle East, so these Hunnic tribes combined a large group of Eurasian horse riding people from Europe, Central Asia and Ancient Middle East.

  3. #23
    Diversity of the horse riding people of "Silk route" can be seen from the fact that there is a valley in pakistan called "Hunza".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunza_Valley

    The people who live in this valley are or ancient Greek origin. Lot of Jat and similar tribe family names can be traced to ancient Greeks, who came to Indian subcontinent with Alexander the Great.
    On the other side Hepthalites are called "White Huns".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire

    So, the word "Hun" connects more with Horse riding people from Ancient middle east, Central Asia, Mongolia, Ancient China and ancient Europe.

  4. #24
    India has seen two waves of migration and inward migration and an outward migration.

    Inward migration has been happening throughout ages while the last major outward migration happened around 7th-8th century AD. Lot of the tribes which migrated out of India at that time period migrated because of religious wars happening at the time period.

    Lot of the places in Europe can trace their names connected with this later migration from Indian subcontinent. The original IndoEuropean people migrated much earlier through inward migration, these were also the original people of so called Gypsies of Europe this is one reason as to why Romani language is also known as Indo European langauge.

  5. #25
    The word "Hun", in this form seems to be a totamic recognition of "Horse riding people"

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    India has seen two waves of migration and inward migration and an outward migration.

    Inward migration has been happening throughout ages while the last major outward migration happened around 7th-8th century AD. Lot of the tribes which migrated out of India at that time period migrated because of religious wars happening at the time period.

    Lot of the places in Europe can trace their names connected with this later migration from Indian subcontinent. The original IndoEuropean people migrated much earlier through inward migration, these were also the original people of so called Gypsies of Europe this is one reason as to why Romani language is also known as Indo European langauge.

    The last major inward migration was inform of Scythian's, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians, which might be the root of major Hunnic migration into India.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The words like "budhana", seems to be combination of two words " Budh + han", this another symbol of totanism, which still carries on several hundred years after the death of "Buddha or buda" , as spelled in different dialects. In ancient times people/tribes were living far off places , to retain their ancient tribal links these tribes would name places with their ancient root words. As "Buda" was a great person of his time, it is possible that these ancient tribes although settled in different parts of the country/world carried "root words" maintain their ancient identity. This tells that "Buddha or Budda" came from the same tribe.


    Is it possible that the word "Han" only connects with "Alexander the great's" army, well, it does not seem so.

    The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

    Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


    This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Is it possible that the word "Han" only connects with "Alexander the great's" army, well, it does not seem so.

    The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

    Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


    This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.

    The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

    Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


    This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.[/QUOTE]

    Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

    Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



    This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

    Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


    This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.
    Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

    Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



    This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]

    This also included ancient middle east, as ancient middle east was on the route of ancient silk route. So, lot of civilizations in ancient middle east might be connected to Indian subcontinent through ancient silk routes. These ancient silk routes would have been routes for people fleeing wars, collapse of civilizations, etc., from ancient middle east and to ancient middle east. Lot of family names can be traced to such origins. Long distance travelling would have encouraged totasmic recognition of people.

  10. #30

    words and their pronunciation

    There are lot of very similar sounding words and are often confusing although the origins of these words might be different and so might be the meaning:

    e.g. Sia, Sya, Saya, Shia all three words sound close but have very different meaning and roots.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The word "Hun", in this form seems to be a totamic recognition of "Horse riding people"

    Due to numerous wars facial recognition of these ancient nomads might not be true to understanding untill and unless we understand that who were the main fighting forces which faught these ancient wars and what were the roots of these fighting forces. Jats and similar tribes in this sense have always been fighting force because of their Hunnic origins, such fighting people often lived in big groups, which can still be see in rural India.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Due to numerous wars facial recognition of these ancient nomads might not be true to understanding untill and unless we understand that who were the main fighting forces which faught these ancient wars and what were the roots of these fighting forces. Jats and similar tribes in this sense have always been fighting force because of their Hunnic origins, such fighting people often lived in big groups, which can still be see in rural India.

    Although some common stereotypes of these ancient races remain which are still true to their origins.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Is it possible that the word "Han" only connects with "Alexander the great's" army, well, it does not seem so.

    The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

    Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


    This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.


    Totasmic recognition could also connect with place and religion. We know that there is a place called "Khanna" and then there are people who write family names similar to the place,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanna,_Ludhiana
    Similarly people could have identified themselves with religion or the tribes they were connected with, a simple example could be "Budh Hanna", which could have been a totasmic symbol of certain tribes, here we must remember that in past there were big religious conflicts between Hinduism and Buddhism at certain point of times in feudal India, therefore "Buddh Hana" could very well have a totasmic symbol rather than a root symbol.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Due to numerous wars facial recognition of these ancient nomads might not be true to understanding untill and unless we understand that who were the main fighting forces which faught these ancient wars and what were the roots of these fighting forces. Jats and similar tribes in this sense have always been fighting force because of their Hunnic origins, such fighting people often lived in big groups, which can still be see in rural India.

    One example can be seen in cases where communities which were fighting wars after wars in the name of religion were not left with many women to start and progress their families. This was a case with communities like Jats and Rajpoots who in ancient India were fighting wars in the name of religion, feudal system, etc. This concept converted into a trend which become a case where some communities stopped having girl child due to endless wars and insecurity of life. These communities were also the main sufferers of Indian religious system. As Jats and similar tribes are from Hunnic origins which meant that these horse riding people were the early movers and rules of ancient world.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

    Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


    This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.
    Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

    Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



    This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]


    Much older migration roots can be traced to linguistic words like "Mir" which becomes "Meer" difference being in written language but spoken language comes first and so does not the meaning and similar words. This written difference can be seen in words like "Hun" which becomes "Han" in other places, although both words have the same meaning and root. The words like "Mirdha" seems to show pre Buddhist origin of north west Indian tribes and a connection to "Meer" civilizations, although migrations and movements of these tribes might be different because of feudal, king based systems in India. In ancient times people riding horses were the main groups of warriors.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

    Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



    This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    Much older migration roots can be traced to linguistic words like "Mir" which becomes "Meer" difference being in written language but spoken language comes first and so does not the meaning and similar words. This written difference can be seen in words like "Hun" which becomes "Han" in other places, although both words have the same meaning and root. The words like "Mirdha" seems to show pre Buddhist origin of north west Indian tribes and a connection to "Meer" civilizations, although migrations and movements of these tribes might be different because of feudal, king based systems in India. In ancient times people riding horses were the main groups of warriors.[/QUOTE]


    correction: "spoken language comes first and so does not the meaning and similar words" the correct is "spoken language comes first and so does the meaning and similar words",

    Looks like someone is changing the language and words on the forum

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Diversity of the horse riding people of "Silk route" can be seen from the fact that there is a valley in pakistan called "Hunza".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunza_Valley

    The people who live in this valley are or ancient Greek origin. Lot of Jat and similar tribe family names can be traced to ancient Greeks, who came to Indian subcontinent with Alexander the Great.
    On the other side Hepthalites are called "White Huns".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire

    So, the word "Hun" connects more with Horse riding people from Ancient middle east, Central Asia, Mongolia, Ancient China and ancient Europe.
    Interesting there is name "Archimedes", this word has a "mede", i do not know, if "Archi" has meaning or not, but it seems the word "Medes" or "Mede" might have older origin, which goes back to word "Median Empire".

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

    Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


    This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.
    Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

    Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



    This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]


    Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

    Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



    This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]

    There is a Greek Name "Archimedies",

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

    here the name is "Archi+Medes", so, it seems that this person was coming from Median empire but his name does not have a "Han" as in "Meadhan", this could also mean that he or his ancestors or the name Archimedes, has a later stage of emergence. So, this could not be a totasmic name, for finding the root of "Medes", one has to see ancient migrations of tribes from central Asia, which formed European tribes, Germanic, Irish, Scottish and other tribal movement is traced back to central Asia. This is also the place where Totasmic recognition could have emerged for many such tribes.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Interesting there is name "Archimedes", this word has a "mede", i do not know, if "Archi" has meaning or not, but it seems the word "Medes" or "Mede" might have older origin, which goes back to word "Median Empire".

    Archemedes :


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes


    has a "medes" in his name, so it is possible that his ancesstors came from ancient "media", but there is no "Han" in his name therefore it is possible that his ancestral migration was at a later stage afte the collapse of "Median Empire",,,while in India we have a family name "Meadhan", it is very much possible that ancestors of these people came to India with the collapse of "Median Empire" or with so called "Scythian invasion" or maybe even before all these events. It is interesting to see,,,that even after hundreds of years how history has continued in Indian context.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

    Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


    This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.
    Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

    Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



    This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]


    It is possible that "Maddhan family name was even present before "Median Empire" and during Median Empire. The word "Han", itself, might have ancient origins and connect with time when people domesticated horses or were using Horses for travelling at large scale.

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