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    Sinai roots?

    http://www.bedawi.com/Sinai_Archeology_EN.html

    Worth concentrating:

    "There are moments in Sinai when one feels as if the history of the entire world can be read in its stones.

    In many places visitors from thousands of years ago literally recorded their passage in stone, as at the Rock of Inscriptions near Dahab and at Serabit El Khadim, near ancient mining sites where archaeologists have discovered carvings that record the very earliest emergence of our alphabet. This is called the Proto-Sinaitic alphabet from which the Semitic languages derived and the western alphabet as we know it today."


    The root word is "Sinai" or "Sin" or "Sina".

    I do not know, if "Scythian" or some allied horse riding nomadic tribe has some migration to this area at any point of time in ancient history.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; May 17th, 2014 at 10:32 PM.

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    The name Sinai has been variously derived from the Semitic word 'sen', meaning 'tooth', in reference to the numerous mountain peaks of the area – or from the word 'sin', the goddess of the moon venerated in prehistoric times.


    We must remember that it says "godess of the moon", which seems to more probable answer, reasons for which, i will come back later.

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    Interesting to read:

    The most ancient of Sinai’s elements are its craggy southern mountains, whose weatherworn granite dates from the Precambrian period, more than 600 million years ago....

    Less old, though more expressive, are the dozens of wadi’s or fossilized riverbeds that define the terrain all over the Sinai Peninsula.

    From the depth and frequency of the wadis, we can tell that Sinai was at one time a lush and fertile region.


    Strange prehistoric structures were found as the Desert Kites and the Nawamis.

    Desert Kites are triangular built stone walls with the tip leading downhill and they were presumably used to entrap gazelles.

    Nawamis are roofed rooms with an opening to the west and can be found in different areas. These are understood to be ancient burial chambers of the early Bronze Age. Some of them are in an excellent state and they were presumably used by nomads for ceremonies or as resting places during their journeys.

    The (so far) earliest presence of Egyptian Pharaohs in Sinai dates back to the first dynasty in 2600 BC.

    It therefore dates back to the time before King Narmar succeeded in getting the two former independent kingdoms (Lower Egypt with the papyrus and Upper Egypt with the lotus as a symbol of state) to unite the first Egyptian the first Egyptian pharaonic dynasty began in 3100 BC.

    The pharaohs got their copper and turquoise from Sinai.
    In Wadi Maghara a bas-relief portraying Pharaoh Sekhemkhet was discovered.


    There are moments in Sinai when one feels as if the history of the entire world can be read in its stones.

    In many places visitors from thousands of years ago literally recorded their passage in stone, as at the Rock of Inscriptions near Dahab and at Serabit El Khadim, near ancient mining sites where archaeologists have discovered carvings that record the very earliest emergence of our alphabet. This is called the Proto-Sinaitic alphabet from which the Semitic languages derived and the western alphabet as we know it today.

    Many rocks with ‘graffiti’ can be found of Nabatean times during the 2ndand 3rd century AD and Roman and Byzantine inscriptions.

    Today, it is the Sinai’s brilliant coral reefs, its striking mountains and deserts and its enormous cultural heritage that hold the future once again, though in a very different way, the history of Sinai seems to be written in the land itself.

    Only in recent years and for the first time, the history of Sinai seems to be emerging as a story about the land itself – its artefacts, its people and its extraordinary natural beauty – rather than the story of those who pass through this land.

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    Who were these 4000 years old people?

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_Peninsula


    Etymology: The name Sinai may have been derived from the ancient moon-god Sin or from the Hebrew word "Seneh" (Hebrew: סֶ֫נֶּה‎, Senneh) The peninsula acquired the name due to the assumption that a mountain near Saint Catherine's Monastery is the Biblical Mount Sinai. However this is contested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It is possible that such places got their names after migrating tribes settled there. One has to do some concrete archaeological excavation work at such places and not rely on myths and religious crap.

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    For understanding the tribal migrations, in Arabian peninsula, we need to look at two things:

    1. Proto Arabian horse
    2. Hunting using bird of prey i.e. Baz.


    Hunting with bird of prey i.e. Baz is a common feature in central asia planes.
    http://equiki.wikidot.com/arabian-horse#toc4


    Most of the artikles that we study we find presence of proto Arabian horse only till 4000 to 5000 years BC. What about before 4000 to 5000 BC.

    Where was proto Arabian horse?

    Horse as i have been able to understand is a product of grasslands and plains.

    Was central Asia an evolutionary area for horses or horses were roaming wild in central asian planes for a long time in history?

    Where were horses during last ice age is another important question.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; May 18th, 2014 at 08:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post

    Lot of the information in this Wikipedia does not seem to be backed by Archaeological facts. Lot of the things that are written seem to be based on "stories, myths, religious crap etc.". This is an irony of Indian culture everything is based on religious/mythological fluidity and not hard facts, such fluidity has no archaeological backing.

    The problem with "Myths" is that there might not be any archaeological backing or solid facts behind the entire myth.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; May 19th, 2014 at 10:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Lot of the information in this Wikipedia does not seem to be backed by Archaeological facts. Lot of the things that are written seem to be based on "stories, myths, religious crap etc.". This is an irony of Indian culture everything is based on religious/mythological fluidity and not hard facts, such fluidity has no archaeological backing.

    The problem with "Myths" is that there might not be any archaeological backing or solid facts behind the entire myth.

    The more east a person goes in India, the language becomes more distorted and moves away from the original sound of the word.

    The original word is "Sin" or "Sina" in its place of origin and tribal migrations. Therefore the words which sound more close to the word "sin" are more close to the original tribal roots and people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    The name Sinai has been variously derived from the Semitic word 'sen', meaning 'tooth', in reference to the numerous mountain peaks of the area – or from the word 'sin', the goddess of the moon venerated in prehistoric times.


    We must remember that it says "godess of the moon", which seems to more probable answer, reasons for which, i will come back later.

    As i stated:
    Here is the root word "Sin":

    Mesopotamian moon god. He was called Nanna in Sumerian, and Su'en or Sin in Akkadian.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/545523/Sin

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    As i stated:
    Here is the root word "Sin":

    Mesopotamian moon god. He was called Nanna in Sumerian, and Su'en or Sin in Akkadian.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/545523/Sin
    Family name "Sinsinwar" directly connects with "Sin":

    http://www.jatland.com/home/Sinsinwar

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Family name "Sinsinwar" directly connects with "Sin":

    http://www.jatland.com/home/Sinsinwar

    Ancient Sumarian civilization :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

    It was a "Akkadian Empire"

    It is very probable that family name Kadian:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadiyan

    comes from root word :

    Akkadian


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_Empire
    Last edited by maddhan1979; May 21st, 2014 at 10:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Ancient Sumarian civilization :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

    It was a "Akkadian Empire"

    It is very probable that family name Kadian:

    http://www.jatland.com/home/Kadiyan

    comes from root word :

    Akkadian


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_Empire

    We must remember that when people travel from one place to another they take their "Language" and "root words with them" to the new place.

    So even after many hundreds and thousands of years root words remain same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Ancient Sumarian civilization :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

    It was a "Akkadian Empire"

    It is very probable that family name Kadian:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadiyan

    comes from root word :

    Akkadian


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_Empire

    We also have a Jat family name called "Basra". Which was again an ancient "Iraqi city".

    Now the main question is who were the people who settled these cities in ancient past and where did they come from?
    Last edited by maddhan1979; May 21st, 2014 at 02:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    We also have a Jat family name called "Basra". Which was again an ancient "Iraqi city".

    Now the main question is who were the people who settled these cities and where did they come from?

    In India there is lot of religious crap spread through handling of genealogy and ancestry records by certain sections of the people, who believe in "Brahm" or "brahmit" or "wrong information" , often such "myths" are not backed by any archaeological and scientific facts. Often, in such "Mythological and religious" recordings or statements, "human biases, prejudices and misinformation" plays a major role. Such information is passed on through generations and converted into demi-gods thereby making more scope for "Idol-Worship" and wrong information.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; May 21st, 2014 at 05:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    In India there is lot of religious crap spread through handling of genealogy and ancestry records by certain sections of the people who believe in "Brahm" or "myth", often such "myths" are not backed by any archaeological and scientific facts. Often in such "Mythological and religious" recordings or statements, human biases, prejudices and misinformation plays a major role. Such information is passed on through generations and converted into demi-gods and making more scope for "Idol-Worship" and wrong information.

    The concept of "Bharat" is not present in "Idol Worship" or whorship of "Rama" or worship of "Krishna" or "Worship of Shiva" or who so ever.

    Rather the concept of "Bharat" is present in realizing the true ancient past, human migrations, common origins of people and tribes.

    Such concepts are totally absent in majority of the people in the country due to bad education sector, religious groups, vested interests, misinformation, so on.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; May 21st, 2014 at 10:08 PM.

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