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  1. #21
    India's religious thought process is driving it into uncomfortable situation.

    India represents a vast majority of population which clings to blind faith, such thought process can even be seen in the places like national capital of India.

  2. #22
    Just came across a thought process which stated that the earliest establishment of rule and order was the religion in human life. This is totally wrong.

    People who state such thought processes are only advocating religion and not the truth and facts.

    Religion thrives on uncertainties of human life, so does religious thought process. Magic/Jadu (in Hindi) done by such religious thought process is supposed to take care of these problems, which is not true, magic(Jadu), tandtra mantra, use of chemicals to effect human life has been part of religion as long as religion has existed. So, neither is the magic/Jadu (magic in Hindi) true nor are the magicians.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 30th, 2017 at 11:27 AM.

  3. #23
    Shantanuji, your name is also by religion. Try to get the essence of it. Country India, is known for its culture and values all by religion. We have two main epics in Hindu mythology, viz. Ramayana and Mahabharta. If one watch it properly, you will find the base of all problems been aroused of these and even from other religious facts which now taken as mythology because we are not the prime evidence of those happenings. Politicians are also people like us, what is to check is their thought perception even if they are well qualified, like Arvindji is not liked by majority even as CM, still he is in situation that prevails today.

    Cutting down of trees is very serious concern, but it is also the need of the population to get the place to work and reside. Also, the thought of preforming Hawan for the purity of air is not wrong as it is the natural therapy for the foul environment which is suffocating our healthy life. Apart from it, it is religioulsy true that it creates happiness and positive effect in the nature, one, by producing smoke of pure elements fed to the fire and, two, by chanting mantras loudly.

    Also, there are practices going around like one you copy-pasted the web link, again out of religious beliefs. People in Kerala do some religious practice by pulling the tail of the free elephant in the crowd and that pity animal ran in different directions where people then save themselves even. Imagine how dangerous it might be for their life but they knowingly do that where it is called even the women had the high literacy rate. So, its all mindset they have built. They cannot think about caring an animal where they lend themselve in trouble by irritating Elephant and might be resulting in death after getting under its feet due to its escape from crowd.

    In all, religion is meant to set some principles of life, inculcate true values, present diverse culture, and offcourse more but people find their ease out of it and starting forceful impositions on others as for any religion one has to go through religious verdicts. To explain further, nobody taught me to be honest or true to myself but I learnt it that it is first thing I need to care for. Kuran speaks of truth and honesty a lot which I find good being Hindu woman and I accepted this principle for life being pragmatic. However, if talk about nation then yes it need a leader and its people need religion. So, it is upto us how we define our system. That is why selecting a leader for the country is the toughest job which I acknowledge that people have done justice to the nation in all. Still, as he too is human and has the possibility to make mistakes, which I recently noticed in one of his speech where Narendra Modi addressed people by raising voice to say "who fight from muslim?......a hindu" which he then did not cleared, rather he moulded his words of speech. This thought of his made me more strong to oppose such leader decided by entire nation for any purpose because when I was young I was made to learn a song by music teacher which is like....

    Iss desh ko hindu
    na musalman chahiye
    har mazhab jisko pyara
    wo insaan chahiye

    Geeta ne karm sikhaya
    nanak kaha ahimsa
    jeevon se prem karo

    Tum kahte ho
    hazrat isah
    kuran ne kaha
    imaan chahiye

    Har mazhab jisko pyara, wo insaan chahiye;
    is desh ko hindu, na musalman chahiye.

    and this song of my teachcer always pull me back for finding a perfect leader as Narendra Modi for us. Rest, I do not get deeper into the politics as its not my interest.

    but a person who in public speak reluctantly on religion, is the biggest dislike for me forever.
    Last edited by neel6318; July 27th, 2017 at 11:10 AM. Reason: grammar

  4. #24
    It is interesting to note that all of the Abrahmic religions have roots out of India. India is a country in the world which has Brahmic roots, so Brahmic religions must have its origins/people from India.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

    There might be lot of words which might hint towards an out of India origin of Brahmic religion, which might not be true because these words could have been coined/made at certain time in Indian history so that the Brahmic religions can incorporate/exist themselves into the outside influence. Religions (any religion) of the world has done a similar thing to make itself exist among majority outside influence. India with its open borders in ancient times saw a massive inflow/outflow of tribes at any given point of time.

    In 1947 India got its independence and more than 500 kingdoms joined together to make today's India, if we take A4 paper sized map of India and put 500 dots over the map of India, i am sure map will be full of dots which are few kilometers apart. In such a scenario there would have been adaptation of identities and a change of identities as a means of survival for religion and the kingdoms alike.

    There are words like Sharepa: which combines to make Share+Pa. Share in Hindi means Lion. This kind of word seems to be of very recent origin as compared to ancient history and tribal migration history of India, if there is a Sharepa then there must also be a Sharema.

    So, lot of such words seem to be made up words derived from various sources. Ancient India which saw numerous battles among kingdoms, religions, people, etc. Must have created a society which saw existence of people who were able to survive by fighting in large groups(majority of the people recruited in Indian Army come from such origins) their existence was possible because these people were able to organize themselves in times of trouble and were able to support each other like in any society/community in the world(such societies and communities also exist even in modern cities and even in developed countries of the world), and then there would have been people who would have made their life existence through faith, religion, magic, tricks, etc., most of such things either required small knowledge or big knowledge, which outside people rarely had, while the people who were residing in the land since ancient times always had.

    Outside religious thought would be an opposed view due to various reasons.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 30th, 2017 at 11:25 AM.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Do you think pictorial depicts on artifacts does not represent archaeology ? It is very much a part of it.

    There is a difference is it a "made up artifact", or a "natural artifact"?

    natural artifact is mostly natural while there are also artifacts with enforced/influenced thought process such as religion.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; August 1st, 2017 at 06:26 PM.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It is interesting to note that all of the Abrahmic religions have roots out of India. India is a country in the world which has Brahmic roots, so Brahmic religions must have its origins/people from India.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

    There might be lot of words which might hint towards an out of India origin of Brahmic religion, which might not be true because these words could have been coined/made at certain time in Indian history so that the Brahmic religions can incorporate/exist themselves into the outside influence. Religions (any religion) of the world has done a similar thing to make itself exist among majority outside influence. India with its open borders in ancient times saw a massive inflow/outflow of tribes at any given point of time.

    In 1947 India got its independence and more than 500 kingdoms joined together to make today's India, if we take A4 paper sized map of India and put 500 dots over the map of India, i am sure map will be full of dots which are few kilometers apart. In such a scenario there would have be adaptation of identities and a change of identities as a means of survival for religion and the kingdoms alike.

    Outside religious thought would be an opposed view due to various reasons.
    true, to an added information going into the past only leads to confusion and if not would be beneficial for any thesis or personal keen interest. History was the most boring topic for me to study ever. However, if I go by geography, then it was one piece of land and all religion existed there which get segregated by the movement of tectonic plates and thereby giving new names/changing names to different places with existence of life. So, it is again how the life on earth moulded the religion even. There is a personal history where I find Aryans as our ancerstors of grandpa's ancestors which afterwards were known as Jat adopting hinduism as identity.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Religions often perceive themselves as the custodians of fellow humans, animals,etc., often analogies are derived from domesticated animals.

    Religion presupposes that it is the ultimate teacher to all fellow human beings, so people driven by faith often work in a way where religion produces analogies to compare human beings with animal classification and monetary evaluation.

    evaluation: "the making of a judgement about the amount, number, or value of something; assessment"

    Such thought processes and people are not only danger to educated people but also dangerous at a wider scale.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; August 8th, 2017 at 08:23 AM.

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