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    Han, Pathan, Median tribes and Buzkashi

    There is an ancient sport played in Central Asia, Afghanistan and other countries which trace their origins to central Asian nomadic tribes, the sport is called:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzkashi


    This sport seems to be of very ancient origin probably dating back to Median tribes.
    Interestingly the word Pathan seems to be comprised of two words Path + Han. The word Path gives rise to another word Pattha in Urdu, i guess.
    It seems that the people writing the family names "Han" predate the word Pathan. Kurds which are also horse riding people connect with people of Media as their predecessors.

    Words like Duhan, Trihan, Chauhan seems to be battlefield troop movement terminology, there are lot of similar words which form lot of family names.


    The above stated sport seems to come from ancient horse riding people trying to save their injured or dead people during wars that took place on horseback for hundreds of years in central Asia, Afghanistan, etc. The beheaded sheep symbolized an injured person in pain, riding a horse in injury causes more pain but the injured person needs to be carried back to the base camp for recovery, shifting the injured person from one horse to another was necessary as horse would get tired with two warriors on a long distance all these events are symbolized by movement of sheep by people on horseback . This is an ancient sport where skills of horsemen and horses were tested in a war like situation to prepare for real war casualty retrieval.
    Why a sheep? because these tribesmen were mainly central Asian horse riding animal/sheep rearers.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes


    It seems that Pathans, Pashtuns, ancient Median tribes men, etc., come from the same roots.
    All have been horse riding people have been recognized in different cultures at different points of time with same/similar words. A simple example is the word "Ashvameadh", which stands for people who perform horse sacrifice in Indian context directly connect with Scythian tribes of central Asia. While "Meadh", which in Indian context is recognized by a work these tribes performed. The local people/ tribes living in India would have connected the word ""Medh/Meadh", with the work these tribes performed when these tribes arrived in Indian subcontinent, while in central Asia upper Iran these tribes were ancient people residing in that region for a much considerable amount of time. This shows that these tribes migrated at certain point of time to Indian subcontinent. This also means that although these tribes were from the same roots and these tribes came at different periods of time as warriors, travelling tradesmen, soldiers who were lost, tribes which were displaced, etc.


    The linguistic context/recognition of these tribes is very ancient in India, that means that these tribes were living, travelling in Indian subcontinent since ancient times. Can these tribes be recognized through the same work even today? Hard to say, because of numerous kingdoms, wars, etc., identities could have changed over a period of long time. These tribes could be recognized through the accumulation of people, as these ancient warring clans stuck together during ancient wars so they were able to save their ancient identity in some form or other. Horses have been lost by these tribes and replaced by "Hal", which means "solution in Hindi mathematics and an added wealth to religion and business" and so have been their traditional way of life.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 4th, 2017 at 03:34 PM.

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    Lot of regimental symbols of armies throughout the world have their roots in these ancient tribal rituals, these connect with migration of these ancient tribes throughout the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    There is an ancient sport played in Central Asia, Afghanistan and other countries which trace their origins to central Asia nomadic tribes, the sport is called:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzkashi

    This sport seems to be of very ancient origin probably dating back to Median tribes.
    Interestingly the word Pathan seems to be comprised of two words Path + Han. The word Path gives rise to another word Pattha in Urdu, i guess.
    It seems that the people writing the family names "Han" predate the word Pathan. Kurds which are also horse riding people connect with people of Media as their predecessors.

    The above stated sport seems to come from ancient horse riding people trying to save their injured or dead people during wars that took place on horseback for hundreds of years in central Asia, Afghanistan, etc. The beheaded sheep (an injured person is in pain and riding a horse in injury causes more pain but the injured person needs to be carried back to the base camp for recovery is symbolized by a sheep with no head) is a symbol of an injured or dead friend who is picked up in a battlefield and as often wars fought on horses often took place many kilometers away from the base camps, the injured or the dead warrior of the clan is shifted from one horse rider to another until the camp is reached, shifting of the horse was necessary as horse would get tired with two warriors on a long distance. This is an ancient sport where skills of horsemen and horses were tested in a war like situation to prepare for real war casualty retrieval.
    Why a sheep? because these tribesmen were mainly central Asian animal/sheep rearers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes

    It seems that Pathans, Pashtuns, ancient Median tribes men, etc., come from the same roots.
    All have been horse riding people have been recognized in different cultures at different points of time with same words. A simple example is the word "Ashvameadh", which stands for people who perform horse sacrifice in Indian context directly connect with Scythian tribes of central Asia. While "Meadh", which in Indian context is recognized by a work these tribes performed. The local people/ tribes living in India would have connected the word ""Medh/Meadh", with the work these tribes performed when these tribes arrived in Indian subcontinent, while in central Asia upper Iran these tribes were ancient people residing in that region for a much considerable amount of time. This shows that these tribes migrated at certain point of time to Indian subcontinent. This also means that although these tribes were from the same roots and these tribes came at different periods of time as warriors, travelling tradesmen, soldiers who were lost, tribes which were displaced, etc.

    The linguistic context/recognition of these tribes is very ancient in India, that means that these tribes were living, travelling in Indian subcontinent since ancient times. Can these tribes we recognized through the same work even today? Hard to say, because of numerous kingdoms, wars, etc., identities could have changed over a period of long time. These tribes could be recognized through their accumulation of people as these ancient warring clans stuck together during ancient wars so were able to save their ancient identity in some form or other. The horses have been lost by these tribes and so have been their traditional way of life.
    The entire context connects with the "Meer/Mir" civilization i.e., they are the people of the/ from "Meer"/Mir", civilization.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; February 6th, 2017 at 05:59 AM.

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    Archimedes a Greek/Roman person might be a clue to this ancient connection:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes
    Last edited by maddhan1979; February 4th, 2017 at 06:14 AM.

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    Who would have been most wanted warriors for these ancient horse riding people? It would have been young adults and children as soon as they were ready to fight. Why?
    Vast central Asian plains, horses and different tribes meant frequent fights and injuries, which were common.
    Bow and arrow were comparatively easy weapons to fight as compared to heavy swords and other heavy metal weapons, this combined with movement on horses also meant different maneuvers during a war. Children and young adults with good eyesight were the most wanted warriors in such scenarios.

    The word "Children", used is relevent in current context, in ancient times, the life span was small for warring people, so the context of a child was different.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 3rd, 2017 at 06:41 PM.

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    Would there have been a time when these child warriors were exchanged or moved from one tribe to another?

    Children starting to learn horse riding at a very early age can still be seen in the tribes of central Asia

    most probably
    Last edited by maddhan1979; February 15th, 2017 at 05:32 AM.

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    Now the point is which were the tribes living in central Asia at that point of time in history?

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    Many present day European tribes were living in ancient central Asia, this has been archaeologically verified.

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    There are lot of distorted views that come through/via religious/nationalist regarding ancient history and how people looked/lived, etc.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 9th, 2017 at 05:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Would there have been a time when these child warriors were exchanged or moved from one tribe to another?

    Children starting to learn horse riding at a very early age can still be seen in the tribes of central Asia

    most probably
    We get a proof of this ancient exchanges between warring tribes from a story of a boy who lived in the camp of "Attila the Hun's", camp.

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    This is the time of Medes in ancient central Asia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes

    Another point is how ancient are the travel routes such as "silk routes", in "Before Christ" time period?

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    Root of the tribal identities of these tribes can be found in ancient/European languages/ root words of IndoEuropean langauges, etc.

    Place of these tribes seems to be central Eurasia where lot of ancient European tribes also lived, interesting is the point of root words of the languages and the tribal connections. As languages are more ancient as pictorial depiction. It is probable that the root words might give clues to Eurasian tribes and other tribal movements of the IndoEuropean speakers of these languages.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; March 26th, 2017 at 09:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Lot of regimental symbols of armies throughout the world have their roots in these ancient tribal rituals, these connect with migration of these ancient tribes throughout the world.
    One such example:


    http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-...r2/rmr-eng.asp
    Last edited by maddhan1979; March 31st, 2017 at 05:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Lot of regimental symbols of armies throughout the world have their roots in these ancient tribal rituals, these connect with migration of these ancient tribes throughout the world.

    Mountain sheep which is shown as a symbol of these people depict people coming from centralEurasia, people of lost armies living in mountains e.g. Alexander the great's army people left behind, ancient tribes, ancient European tribes, etc. Many of these regiments have roots in archaeological discovery of a common past by British and other western historical discoveries done in Asian and Eurasian subcontinent.

    http://www.britishmilitarybadges.co....cap-badge.html
    Last edited by maddhan1979; April 4th, 2017 at 09:41 AM.

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    These symbols represent people of ancient origins, who migrated to different parts of the world, followed different religions such as Christianity, Islam, etc., but come from a common background.
    Lot of such people reached far off distant places with invading armies, as slaves, as travelers, people fleeing wars, etc.. Interestingly while the religions such as Christianity and Islam are new to the world history, origins and symbols of these tribes are ancient.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; April 21st, 2017 at 09:02 PM.

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    Now a major question arises Why will any army choose a mountain sheep as their regimental symbol?

    The answer might be present in very ancient regimental formations of ancient armies and then there is word in English "Ramming"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramming

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battering_ram


    Where were these tribes originally coming from? These tribes were coming from mountains for sure.

    Which mountains and what were the tribes?
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 4th, 2017 at 03:43 PM.

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    Based on linguistic context it seems these tribes were living somewhere in ancient central Asia, at certain point of time in ancient history or BC era history. Or these might also be parts of tribes which were living in Mongolia, Ancient China, Eurasia before Great wall of China was made.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; April 23rd, 2017 at 05:42 AM.

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