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Thread: Ancient words that might give some clue to migration of tribes/clans

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    Ancient words that might give some clue to migration of tribes/clans

    There are different worlds that might give a some glimpse into migrations into Indian subcontinent.

    What are these?

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    Vani : "Language" in English seems to be of ancient origin. "Vani" is different from "Bani".

    Now which "Vani", is being referred to in ancient context?
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 11th, 2017 at 06:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Vani : Language in English seems to be of ancient origin. "Vani" is different from "Bani".

    Now which "Vani", is being referred to in ancient context?

    Interestingly "Bana", might stand for an "arrow" and might have ancient tribal root. Such names can be seen in any ancient tribal identity of the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Vani : "Language" in English seems to be of ancient origin. "Vani" is different from "Bani".

    Now which "Vani", is being referred to in ancient context?

    In a diverse society with numerous small kingdoms and people travelling, etc., there would have been many "Vani", coming from different groups of migrants.

    Are there any leftover words from these languages in present day use or in near past?
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 14th, 2017 at 08:02 AM.

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    Northern Hunnic migration of Jat tribes and similar clan based tribes is proved without any doubt based on linguistic and other tribal identities.

    It is interesting to see that the word "aayat", is from middle east and is of female gender. This word seems to be of two words "aa+yat", "aa" means to come and "Yat/Jat", has been explained before where alphabets "J and y", are interchangeable based on spoken form of different different IndoEuropean languages. While the Hunnic identity is much older and preceded ancient tribal migrations of ancient China and ancient Eurasia, there would have been lot of identities created by later migrations. Ancient wars between diverse kingdoms and tribal identities means loss of human life and especially male warriors. Leftover were mostly small children, old and women. Such women and children either fled to other parts of the world through ancient migration routes or were taken as slaves by local/other kingdoms/etc. Ancient travel routes out of India, ancient Eurasia, ancient China went through ancient middle east, so it is possible that these ancient tribal people moved to these area's in ancient times.So, the word "aa+yat", might have ancient migration links to different parts of the world by similar Jat and similar tribal identities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Northern Hunnic migration of Jat tribes and similar clan based tribes is proved without any doubt based on linguistic and other tribal identities.

    It is interesting to see that the word "aayat", is from middle east and is of female gender. This word seems to be of two words "aa+yat", "aa" means to come and "Yat/Jat", has been explained before where alphabets "J and y", are interchangeable based on spoken form of different different IndoEuropean languages. While the Hunnic identity is much older and preceded ancient tribal migrations of ancient China and ancient Eurasia, there would have been lot of identities created by later migrations. Ancient wars between diverse kingdoms and tribal identities means loss of human life and especially male warriors. Leftover were mostly small children, old and women. Such women and children either fled to other parts of the world through ancient migration routes or were taken as slaves by local/other kingdoms/etc. Ancient travel routes out of India, ancient Eurasia, ancient China went through ancient middle east, so it is possible that these ancient tribal people moved to these area's in ancient times.So, the word "aa+yat", might have ancient migration links to different parts of the world by similar Jat and similar tribal identities.

    "Great wall of China", that Chinese emperors built is a proof in itself of the tribal existence of various ancient tribes that existed in Mongolia, inner China and Eurasia. The wars that happened between these various IndoEuropean tribes would have made the rulers of China to built a structure such as "Great wall of China", and this has been proved through archaeology and historical evidences.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China


    Then there is a word "Prachin", i.e. "ancient China", "Pra+Chin(China), that is used in Indian language.
    Then there is a word "Al+mir+rah", which becomes Almirah in English and Mira is a girl's name. Based on word "Al+mi+rah", the real word for "Mira", is "Mirah" and not "Mira"

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    Tribal namification of incoming and outgoing tribes in a country with open travel routes must have prompted some key words which were used for recognition in ancient times, these words would have carried forward through ancient history into present day scenario.

    Words related with "Time "Kal in hindi", travel route, tribal characteristics, totemic identification, different language root words that came along these ancient tribes, etc., could have been some of the words to these ancient recognition. An example could be people native to the country could have been most ancient residents and named as simply "Time" or "Kal".
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 22nd, 2017 at 08:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Tribal namification of incoming and outgoing tribes in a country with open travel routes must have prompted some key words which were used for recognition in ancient times, these words would have carried forward through ancient history into present day scenario.

    Words related with "Time "Kal in hindi", travel route, tribal characteristics, totemic identification, different language root words that came along these ancient tribes, etc., could have been some of the words to these ancient recognition. An example could be people native to the country could have been most ancient residents and named as simply "Time" or "Kal".




    Kal Heer is a clan name. Heer could very well mean this " http://www.wordsense.eu/Heer/"

    If "Heer", means army and "Kal", is ancient/historic/ in past time, then which army is being referred to in this word?

    Was there any ancient migration from Europe to Asian/Middle east in ancient times?

    We know Romans were ruling ancient Syria in BC era.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/his...f-Central-Asia

    Is it possible that some tribes/some clans were the soldiers from these ancient armies which started all the way from ancient Rome?

    Is it possible BC era time was vibrant and lot of central Asian IndoEuropean tribes were moving from central Asia to different parts of the world, so these ancient armies were combination of various different IndoEuropean tribes of different tribal origins and different languages?


    The big Scythian invasion is in 4th century AD, which is comparatively new to Before Christ migration.


    The above stated connection might be true connection rather than the sociopolitical connections as shown with words in current context.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 30th, 2017 at 02:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Kal Heer is a clan name. Heer could very well mean this " http://www.wordsense.eu/Heer/"

    If "Heer", means army and "Kal", is ancient/historic/ in past time, then which army is being referred to in this word?

    Was there any ancient migration from Europe to Asian/Middle east in ancient times?

    We know Romans were ruling ancient Syria in BC era.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/his...f-Central-Asia

    Is it possible that some tribes/some clans were the soldiers from these ancient armies which started all the way from ancient Rome?

    Is it possible BC era time was vibrant and lot of central Asian IndoEuropean tribes were moving from central Asia to different parts of the world, so these ancient armies were combination of various different IndoEuropean tribes of different tribal origins and different languages?


    The big Scythian invasion is in 4th century AD, which is comparatively new to Before Christ migration.


    The above stated connection might be true connection rather than the sociopolitical connections as shown with words in current context.

    This is an ancient context, current relevance might be subjective.

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    Did these tribe come from north or west of Indian subcontinent. It seems a major inflow of tribes happened from north. As these unknown people from lost armies, defeated armies, people fleeing wars, people fleeing persecution, armies that came as invaders, migratory people who came as settlers, people who were brought as slaves, etc., would/could have an unknown origin in local context and one word that could have identified these people could have been "Raj", "Secret", in the same context word "Rajasthan", seems to be made up of three different words "Raj" + "a"+"sthan/Place in English" (again "a" seems to be negation i.e. a place which is not of people of unknown origins), it is possible that there were large migration and movement from northern routes of present day India. Again ancient India Punjab would have had lot of rivers and marshes, so not favorable for armies or people to move through, Rajasthan was dry so not favorable place for armies to move through with lot of animals and other equipment.

    So, it seems northern passes were the best routes for the tribes/people/armies to move through as in ancient times high passes was an advantage to incoming people as compared to local people living in interior of Indian
    Last edited by maddhan1979; August 2nd, 2017 at 08:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Kal Heer is a clan name. Heer could very well mean this " http://www.wordsense.eu/Heer/"

    If "Heer", means army and "Kal", is ancient/historic/ in past time, then which army is being referred to in this word?

    Was there any ancient migration from Europe to Asian/Middle east in ancient times?

    We know Romans were ruling ancient Syria in BC era.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations



    Is it possible that some tribes/some clans were the soldiers from these ancient armies which started all the way from ancient Rome?

    Is it possible BC era time was vibrant and lot of central Asian IndoEuropean tribes were moving from central Asia to different parts of the world, so these ancient armies were combination of various different IndoEuropean tribes of different tribal origins and different languages?


    The big Scythian invasion is in 4th century AD, which is comparatively new to Before Christ migration.


    The above stated connection might be true connection rather than the sociopolitical connections as shown with words in current context.

    Interesting, there is a "Herr", here as well.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; August 7th, 2017 at 11:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Interesting, there is a "Herr", here as well.
    Offcourse interesting, Herr Maddhan !

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Kal Heer is a clan name. Heer could very well mean this " http://www.wordsense.eu/Heer/"

    If "Heer", means army and "Kal", is ancient/historic/ in past time, then which army is being referred to in this word?

    Was there any ancient migration from Europe to Asian/Middle east in ancient times?

    We know Romans were ruling ancient Syria in BC era.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/his...f-Central-Asia

    Is it possible that some tribes/some clans were the soldiers from these ancient armies which started all the way from ancient Rome?

    Is it possible BC era time was vibrant and lot of central Asian IndoEuropean tribes were moving from central Asia to different parts of the world, so these ancient armies were combination of various different IndoEuropean tribes of different tribal origins and different languages?


    The big Scythian invasion is in 4th century AD, which is comparatively new to Before Christ migration.


    The above stated connection might be true connection rather than the sociopolitical connections as shown with words in current context.

    Interesting is the word "Heercules"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules

    The real name seems to be:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

    Her+a+cles

    It is again Indo European word and "a", could be a negation.

    Lot of the things stated might not be true as "wikipedia", is not an authentic work of science, but it can give some links and connections to ancient words.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; August 10th, 2017 at 08:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Interesting is the word "Heercules"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules

    The real name seems to be:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

    Her+a+cles

    It is again Indo European word and "a", could be a negation.

    Lot of the things stated might not be true as "wikipedia", is not an authentic work of science, but it can give some links and connections to ancient words.

    These words are again very late in archaeological history and might have much older roots such as those in central Asia, ancient China, central Asian tribes as Scythians, Tocharians, Parthains, etc.,.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; August 17th, 2017 at 06:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Interesting is the word "Heercules"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules

    The real name seems to be:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

    Her+a+cles

    It is again Indo European word and "a", could be a negation.

    Lot of the things stated might not be true as "wikipedia", is not an authentic work of science, but it can give some links and connections to ancient words.

    In Indian context there are again just words with no scientific or archaeological work behind them, so they might not hold any meaning as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Interesting is the word "Heercules"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules

    The real name seems to be:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

    Her+a+cles

    It is again Indo European word and "a", could be a negation.

    Lot of the things stated might not be true as "wikipedia", is not an authentic work of science, but it can give some links and connections to ancient words.

    Majority of these ancient tribes might have come into India after 4th century AD (Scythian Invasion) and would/could have formed parts of Alexander's army.

    Slow movement of these ancient tribes towards "Hal", inside India could have happened after Scythian domination finished.


    Coming of Islam after 7 century AD would have again given freedom from "Hal", to these ancient tribes.


    Presence of words like "Sin", might indicate continuous connection to ancient GreekRomanCentralAsian links of the ancient tribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Interesting is the word "Heercules"

    The real name seems to be:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

    Her+a+cles

    It is again Indo European word and "a", could be a negation.
    jo bhi hai, aap sandhi-vichhed bhi accha kar lete hain

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Kal Heer is a clan name. Heer could very well mean this " http://www.wordsense.eu/Heer/"

    If "Heer", means army and "Kal", is ancient/historic/ in past time, then which army is being referred to in this word?

    Was there any ancient migration from Europe to Asian/Middle east in ancient times?

    We know Romans were ruling ancient Syria in BC era.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/his...f-Central-Asia

    Is it possible that some tribes/some clans were the soldiers from these ancient armies which started all the way from ancient Rome?

    Is it possible BC era time was vibrant and lot of central Asian IndoEuropean tribes were moving from central Asia to different parts of the world, so these ancient armies were combination of various different IndoEuropean tribes of different tribal origins and different languages?


    The big Scythian invasion is in 4th century AD, which is comparatively new to Before Christ migration.


    The above stated connection might be true connection rather than the sociopolitical connections as shown with words in current context.

    So, there seems to be difference between religiously defined meaning of "Heer", and real/original meaning of "Heer".

    Religions create mind images and stereotypical images of people/origins/races, etc.,(this holds true for the religions which represent multiplicity of thought), which do not hold true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Religions create mind images and stereotypical images of people/origins/races, etc.,(this holds true for the religions which represent multiplicity of thought), which do not hold true.
    sabko pata hai ki religion banane wale ne bhi khudko pahle dekha hoga aur tab define kiya hoga ki one is male/female. To aap religion ko leke itna bhavuk mat ho. Religion banane wale aur philosophy banane walon ke adiktar karname ek jaise hote hain. Religiously, I am equal to all but philosophically, I can play even with religion borne mind.

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