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    So called Middle class

    Is India's middle class really a middle class or there are only two classes in India "The poor" and the "The Rich"?

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    Only two classes in India "The poor" and the "The Rich".

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    Quote Originally Posted by abhuria08 View Post
    Only two classes in India "The poor" and the "The Rich".

    There is nothing like middle class in India. So called middle class is the "real poor class", how?
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 24th, 2017 at 06:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    There is nothing like middle class in India. So called middle class is the "real poor class", how?
    Middle class means small families. In context of India, small families means uncertainty in life or someone else deciding about your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Middle class means small families. In context of India small families means uncertainty in life or someone else deciding about your life.

    Good quality education is getting out of hands of middle class. Just loud speeches from politicians and mass media mind adulteration is being imparted by current political thought
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 1st, 2017 at 08:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Is India's middle class really a middle class or there are only two classes in India "The poor" and the "The Rich"?
    there are many classes of population. It depends which context you are taking to talk/share about. If you say, poor or rich....I add two more to it on the basis of GDP defined in our economy ...i.e. middle class and upper middle class.

    If you talk about classes based on strata, again there are many which includes social, political, educated and literate and so on.

    If you talk about living standards, then again it gives you variety.

    You forget to link the thought behind the starting line. Could you please, or I need to make it on my own?

    Thanks for sharing views!

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    There are only two classes. e.g. if a person is travelling on a road in an expensive car and there is an accident, this person and his car has the same result as a home less person lying on side of any road. This is a society that everyday person lives in. Crowds passby or stand by to watch the event and wait for the person to die, this is a fact of society that we live in. So, the person travelling in an expensive car is as poor as a homeless person lying on side of any road. Then there is a section of people who do not travel on such roads or use other means of transport or have loads of people in other cars travelling along with them. The example stated here is a glimpse in one part of life of everyday person. This sort of life is present in almost all parts of life of everyday person.

    There is a need for fundamental changes in India otherwise the concept of "chalta hai", will keep on happening.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 7th, 2017 at 05:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    There are only two classes. e.g. if a person is travelling on a road in an expensive car and there is a accident, this person and his car has the same result as a home less person lying on side of any road. This is a society that everyday person lives in. Crowds pass-by or stand by to watch the event and wait for the person to die, this is a fact of society that we live in. So, the person travelling in an expensive car is as poor a homeless person lying on side of any road. Then there is a section of people who do not travel on such roads or use other means of transport or have loads of people in other cars travelling along with them. The example stated here is a glimpse in one part of life of everyday person. This sort of life is present in almost all parts of life of everyday person.

    There is a need for fundamental changes in India otherwise the concept of "chalta hai", will keep on happening.
    If a dog barks and chase any car, being human we cannot do the same. On other aspect, being human, we should not keep mum if we see any two single men fighting with each other, giving a free show to crowd on roadside. Here, little street dog is better who make noise and let crowd seperate which even human beings rarely think to do either to escape or be a viewer.

    So, its our personal character.
    Last edited by neel6318; July 2nd, 2017 at 05:36 PM. Reason: grammar

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    Hard to understand what the above statement means

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    Middle class is a victim and prisoner of wrong policies and criminalisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Middle class is a victim and prisoner of wrong policies and criminalisation.
    I just mean to state that it is all political thought that you are taking ahead. Let yourself be free like an individual citizen and then make authorities handle the situation if anywhere you find wrong. You have freedom of speech. Why to think, one comes from middle class or upper middle class.

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    Statement above sounds like a puppetry show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Statement above sounds like a puppetry show.
    I don't mind even :-)

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    Middle class which strives on savings will find it hard to save its savings from the new economic, criminal, sociopolitical situations in the country. This middle class comprises of all the salaried and educated people striving to earn their living through their education and jobs.

    Majority of India's sociopoliticaluneducatededucated sections thrive on mass accumulation of people in form of "Jan rath", etc., which is used to create a chaos and override reasoning and any other educated thought process. This mentality also gives rise to a thought process of mob mentality being stronger than given scientific thought or reasoning process. This also leads to vast accumulation of wealth or resources which supersedes any middle class of small earning/saving people. Middle class are also supposed to have less number of children as the burden of education and taxation, unpredictable life, no medical security, etc., comes on middle class, while sociopolitical sections(religion being one part of sociopolitical section) thrive on mass accumulation of people or "Jan sailab/ Jan Rath/etc.) i.e. the power of "we" being greater than the power of any individual, reason, education, thought process, etc., creates a scenario where middle class is bound to be overrun by masses of mobs driven by these sociopolitical sections.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 19th, 2017 at 04:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Middle class which strives on savings will find it hard to save its savings from the new economic, criminal, sociopolitical situations in the country. This middle class comprises of all the salaried and educated people striving to earn their living through their education and jobs.

    Majority of India's sociopoliticaluneducatededucated sections thrive on mass accumulation of people in form of "Jan rath", etc., which is used to create a chaos and override reasoning and any other educated thought process. This mentality also gives rise to a thought process of mob mentality being stronger than given scientific thought or reasoning process. This also leads to vast accumulation of wealth or resources which supersedes any middle class of small earning/saving people. Middle class are also supposed to have less number of children as the burden of education and taxation, unpredictable life, no medical security, etc., comes on middle class, while sociopolitical sections(religion being one part of sociopolitical section) thrive on mass accumulation of people or "Jan sailab/ Jan Rath/etc.) i.e. the power of "we" being greater than the power of any individual, reason, education, thought process, etc., creates a scenario where middle class is bound to be overrun by masses of mobs drives by these sociopolitical sections.
    I agree, as your answer is very much reflective!

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    As Neel mentioned India is very complex society and its really hard to clearly classify in modern western terms of social classification. But at the same time they can not be just classified as poor and rich, we have a lot more and complex division in between and even beyond both these boundary points. Poor is the one who struggle for his bread and butter but one level below is the one who also suffer social discrimination, and one level above you have the one who can manage bread and butter but can not get anything which middle class can manage, such as education, medical, then middle class itself can be lower and upper, rich can be super rich and social and political affluence mixed with these create more classes.
    क्रांति तभी सफल होती है जब बहुमत को उसकी आवश्यकता हो - आचार्य चाणक्य

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    Everyone suffers from discrimination at certain point. It is a religiously driven society facilitated by out of India interests and inside India interests.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 19th, 2017 at 08:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Everyone suffers from discrimination at certain point. It is a religiously driven society facilitated by out of India interests and inside India interests.
    These religiously driven societies have politicallyreligiously driven gangs involved in crime which intrude in personal privacy and personal decision making.

    These are socioreligiouspolitical gangs which are connected throughout the world with different networks.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 20th, 2017 at 09:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anil_rathee View Post
    As Neel mentioned India is very complex society and its really hard to clearly classify in modern western terms of social classification. But at the same time they can not be just classified as poor and rich, we have a lot more and complex division in between and even beyond both these boundary points. Poor is the one who struggle for his bread and butter but one level below is the one who also suffer social discrimination, and one level above you have the one who can manage bread and butter but can not get anything which middle class can manage, such as education, medical, then middle class itself can be lower and upper, rich can be super rich and social and political affluence mixed with these create more classes.
    Anil aapka kahne se koi fayada nahi.....Shantanu ji ne thaani hai ki chapter pura karna hai ....hehe

    so, carry further Mr. Maddhan with flooding thoughts :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Middle class which strives on savings will find it hard to save its savings from the new economic, criminal, sociopolitical situations in the country. This middle class comprises of all the salaried and educated people striving to earn their living through their education and jobs.

    Majority of India's sociopoliticaluneducatededucated sections thrive on mass accumulation of people in form of "Jan rath", etc., which is used to create a chaos and override reasoning and any other educated thought process. This mentality also gives rise to a thought process of mob mentality being stronger than given scientific thought or reasoning process. This also leads to vast accumulation of wealth or resources which supersedes any middle class of small earning/saving people. Middle class are also supposed to have less number of children as the burden of education and taxation, unpredictable life, no medical security, etc., comes on middle class, while sociopolitical sections(religion being one part of sociopolitical section) thrive on mass accumulation of people or "Jan sailab/ Jan Rath/etc.) i.e. the power of "we" being greater than the power of any individual, reason, education, thought process, etc., creates a scenario where middle class is bound to be overrun by masses of mobs driven by these sociopolitical sections.

    So, the real poor are the middle class, which despite being educated will be subjected to majority of the problems which will affect their lives making life more unpredictable and influenced by uneducated, corrupt and sociopolitical mob driven societies. While the poor at the lowest end and not being educated might be at a better side as ignorance will be saving them from the biggest troubles.

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