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    Kisan Movement - Without able leadership & Prioritisation of Farmers Problem

    THE FARMERS’ PRODUCE TRADE AND COMMERCE (PROMOTION
    AND FACILITATION) ACT, 2020
    Clause 3 - Any farmer or trader or electronic trading and transaction platform shall have the freedom to carry on the inter-State or intra-State trade and commerce in farmers’ produce in a trade area. - Farmers produce means crops(cereals, pulses , oilseeds), Dairy, meat, poultry, fruits & vegetables. This clause is a big opportunity for self employment of rural youth;

    Option 1 - Rural youth can form their Cooperatives on marketing/ processing (villagewise 15-20 rural youth or more can form rural coop). They can contact with FPOs of other States and can assess crops requirement and accordingly varieties can be grown. For exam - Soyaben varieties can be told to local farmers which is having higher protein content used for tofu making and such units are located in Chennai. Chick pea (Chhole) are exported to Arab countries. Similarly Bajra varieties which are in demand by migrated Marwaris in Bangalore, Chennai, Kolkata, Mumbai, etc can be grown.
    Option II- In nearby Chouraha (4-5 villages), Private market yard with storage facilities can be set up by these rural cooperatives with e-trading facilities. Initially, NCDEX, MCX, etc can be contacted and process can be known.
    Option-III- Ongoing central/ State Govt scheme (Rajasthan govt is proveding 50% subsides for cold storage, warehouse, primary processing centre such as Cleaning, grading, sorting, etc. can be seen and these rural coop or FPOs can take benefit of these schemes.
    Option IV- Rural Coop on Processing & Marketing can set up their own value chain (backward & forward linkages) under this Clause.
    This Clause itself is having lot of opportunities which can be seen in true sense. Repealing of these Clause will be a lost opportunity for all rural youth. Rural youth should come forward to support these Acts and demand Centrally sponsored schemes to be developed accordingly.

    Central Govt has kept a target of 10000 Farmers Producers Companies (FPOs/FPcs) in 3-4 years. FPOs can sell directly their produce to Consumers which means it is the most efficient marketing channel. It is a win win situation for producers and consumers. Presently more than , 7500 FPOs are working in the country of which 25% are working efficiently and they are getting working capital from Banks and also taking benefits of ongoing schemes like storage, Grading and processing unit ( AMI scheme, Cold storage scheme of NHB, etc). Small farmers have to be a member of FPOs and these FPOs will collect the farm produce and will negotiate with the traders. Their is no limit for membership in FPOs but some govt schemes give benefit if members are more than 500 farmers in that case equal amount or Rs. 10 lakh (max) equity support is also provided. Detailed guidelines can be seen ministeries of Agril website or NABARD/SFAC/NCDC, etc. FPOs can be registered under Companies Act or Society act. So new act passed by Central Govt to be seen only from FPOs perspective point of view and all the answers are available to them who are supporting this kisan movement .70% produce of wheat and paddy is procured under MSP in Punjab and Haryana which means farmers are not going for diversification of crops because of this assured income but due to increased irrigation facilities some states have made excellent growth in agril sector like MP (which is having maximum share in central pool and surpassed Punjab). More than 1 lakh large farmers (Punjab and Haryana which are having > 10 ha land or 25 Acre or Kila) are taking benefits of MSP and leading this movement. I think Govt Should made an announcement that all the produce of small farmers will be procured by govt agencies and no procurement from large farmers of Punjab, Haryana and Hanumangarh& Ganganagar district (Rajasthan) will be made as these farmers have capability of diversifying their crops and this statement will change the Kisan movement. Large farmers of rajasthan (43% large farmer of the country live in thar desert area) or rainfed areas should be treated differently as these farmers are not having much production and are not getting any benefit of ongoing scheme. These Kisan unions are not aware about their problems.Lastly, it is not mandatory to supply wheat and paddy under PDS so Bajra (Rajasthan), Maize(MP& Bihar), Jowar (MH), Mandua (Uttrakahnd) and likewise other crops of other states may be identified and respective State Govt should include in PDS as is done in Karnataka (Ragi) and by Odisha.

    Few questions are: 1) How much amount Ardthiyas have earned in wheat procurement in Punjab and Haryana ? - Simple calculation 212 lakh MT X Rs.19750/ MT X 0.2 % Commission Charges = > Rs.800 Crore/ season & if we include paddy then per annum Rs. 1500 crore which means - Rs. 1,50,000 lakh (It means per farmer Rs. 1 lakh is given then 1.50 lakh farmers will be benefitted. Total APMCs are 118 which means 50 traders/ Mandi = 5900 or Say 10000 Traders or Ardthiyas so per year earning is Rs. 15 lakh/ trader without making any effort. 2). Whether this amount could have been earned by farmers or not - my answer is “Yes”. 3). Why demand of Ardthiya removal from MSP procurement is not raised ?- Are some leaders of SKM also work as Ardthiyas - Yes (like Rajewal, Chadhuni or few others). 4) Who participate in auction of farmers produce in Mandi ? - Only local traders/ Ardthiyas. - How farmers will be benefiited by engaging Ardthiyas in movement.Why the following demand are not included in the movement ?
    i).Presently MSP procurement in Punjab and Haryana happens through APMC by engaging Commission agent whereas in MP the Wheat procurement in MP happens through Primary Agril Credit Society(PACS). PACS is a farmers organisation. Last year MP was the largest wheat contributor in Central Pool ( 129 Lakh MT). Land record s of every farmer is verified before procurement and DBT faciity is given to farmers. Ongoing TV debate on land records with respect to Punjab is useless. So, Demand of farmers' movement should be that the procurement should happen through PACS in Punjab & Haryana rather than through APMC. This demand is not there which raise the doubt on this movement.
    ii). AT, APMC, the MSP should be used as a base price for auction in Mandi. This demand is also not there. Kindly see the Deptt of Food Civil Supply, Govt of India data on procurement being made by various states during last 5 years and you would be able to know the reason of this movement only on 3 laws.

    Mr. Chadhuni is front leader - Is it aKisan Movement or Ardhtiya Movement ;Mr. Abhimanyu Kohar was justifying involvement of Ardhtiya in Kisan Movement at News 24 ( On the discussion that Mr. Chadhuni is also a broker / Commission Agent- Alleged by BJP Spokesperson) and commission paid (2.5%) to them by GOVT on procurement is for services rendered by them. I was surprised on this statement as for farmers' benefit the Farmers Bodies like FPOs/PACS, etc should be involved in Procurement and that should be a demand of this movement. How many Ardhtiyyas these poorly informed leader have included in this movement is a matter of concern as farmers are exploited only by these Ardhtiyas/commission agent.

    Procurement of Wheat as on 31 May 2021 and Commission involved : Out of total wheat procurement of 406 lakh MT, the highest share in wheat procurement was of Punjab i.e. 132.10 lakh MT (73% of 180 lakh MT production ) followed by MP i.e. 127.08 lakh MT(61%) of 208 lakh MT),Haryana i.e. 84.93 lakh MT (73%) of 117 lakh MT production , UP i.e 39.50 lakh MT (12% of 335 lakh MT). It clearly indicates that more than 70% wheat produce of Punjab and Haryana has been procured through MSP. Only in Haryana and Punjab about Rs. 42860 crore ( @ Rs. 1975/ qtls as MSP) of wheat has been procured and amount is credited to the farmers through DBT. But interesting thing is that an amount of Rs. 1072 crore (2.5% as commission charges) has been paid as commission charges by GoI to Ardhtiyas and Commission agent. These Rs.1072 crore could have been the income for PACS (Credit Societies or Mini Bank) in place of Ardhtiyas, if procurement centres are made at PACS level instead of Mandi level. We can imagine how much storage facilities at Village level through PACS can be created.

    Regards
    Last edited by KJ2018; November 1st, 2021 at 05:32 PM. Reason: Bcause of New Facts

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    Why FPO Formation ?


    Farmers Producer Organisation is the Best alternative

    A target of 10,000 FPOs (Mostly per block one FPOs) have been kept in 2019-20 (before the existing Govt after May 2019) and now budgetary support is being provide by GoI. Farmers should be made aware and one FPO/Panchayat (in case Rajasthan- 3-4 Villages are involved in GP), one FPO in Haryana (in case one vilage is having 4-5 GPs) or 3-4 GPs in case of smaller villages to maintain contiguity and CBBOs have been identified by GoI for each block. On an average more than Rs. 25 lakh per FPO for formation will be provided. These FPOs can have following businss activities;
    - Bulk purchase of cattle feed, hybrid seeds, fertilisers, Agril Machinaries or Equipments, Retail items, etc.
    - Bulk selling of Cereals, Pulses, Oilseeds, etc.
    - Setting up of own Agro-processing unit - Subsidy is avvailable under various schemes for fPOs.

    It can be registered under Society Act or Companies Act.

    Best Marketing system for Producers or Farmers and Consumers through direct marketing.
    - Schemes are available that these FPOs can open their outlets (Rural Mart) in nearby Cities/Towns.

    Regards
    Last edited by KJ2018; June 24th, 2021 at 10:39 AM. Reason: Bcause of New Facts

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    Nothing Hidden in Contract Farming Act

    FARMING AGREEMENT : A farmer may enter into a written farming agreement in respect of any farming produce .
    The minimum period of the farming agreement shall be for one crop season or one production cycle of livestock, as the case may be, and the maximum period shall be five years: ( Farmers may go for agreement of one crop season also)
    The parties entering into a farming agreement may identify and require as a condition for the performance of such agreement compliance with mutually acceptable quality, grade and standards of a farming produce.
    The price to be paid for the purchase of a farming produce may be determined and mentioned in the farming agreement itself.
    The Sponsor may, before accepting the delivery of any farming produce, inspect the quality or any other feature of such produce as specified in the farming agreement, otherwise, he shall be deemed to have inspected the produce and shall have no right to retract from acceptance of such produce at the time of its delivery or thereafter.
    The Sponsor shall,—(a) where the farming agreement relates to seed production, make payment of not less than two-third of agreed amount at the time of delivery and the remaining amount after due certification, but not later than thirty days of delivery; ( rumour is being spread among farmers that no payment will be made to farmers}.
    Where a farming agreement has been entered into in respect of any farming produce under this Act, such produce shall be exempt from the application of any State Act, by whatever name called, established for the purpose of regulation of sale and purchase of such farming produce. (State regulation on mobility of commodity will not be in practice)
    Notwithstanding anything contained in the Essential Commodities Act, 1955 or in any control order issued thereunder or in any other law for the time being in force, any obligation related to stock limit shall not be applicable to such quantities of farming produce as are purchased under a farming agreement entered into in accordance with the provisions of this Act.( Through contract farming any quantity of produce can be produced which will be exempted from ECA 1955)
    No farming agreement shall be entered into for the purpose of— (a) any transfer, including sale, lease and mortgage of the land or premises of the farmer; or (b) raising any permanent structure or making any modification on the land or premises of the farmer, unless the Sponsor agrees to remove such structure or to restore the land to its original condition, at his cost, on the conclusion of the agreement or expiry of the agreement period, as the case may be:
    A farming agreement may be linked with insurance or credit instrument under any scheme of the Central Government or the State Government or any financial service provider to ensure risk mitigation and flow of credit to farmer or Sponsor or both. ( Farmers may take the benefit of Govt sponsored shemes on cluster basis which is an added adventage)
    Save as otherwise provided in this Act, an aggregator or farm service provider may become a party to the farming agreement and in such case, the role and services of such aggregator or farm service provider shall be explicitly mentioned in such farming agreement. ( If farmers have any doubt, in that case FPOs can be promoted and FPO can sign on behalf of farmers)
    Explanation.—For the purposes of this section, (i) "aggregator" means any person, including a Farmer Producer Organisation, who acts as an intermediary between a farmer or a group of farmers and a Sponsor and provides aggregation related services to both farmers and Sponsor;(ii) "farm service provider" means any person who provides farm services.
    At any time after entering into a farming agreement, the parties to such agreement may, with mutual consent, alter or terminate such agreement for any reasonable cause.
    12. (1) A State Government may notify a Registration Authority to provide for electronic registry for that State that provides facilitative framework for registration of farming agreements.
    DISPUTE SETTLEMENT : 13. (1) Every farming agreement shall explicitly provide for a conciliation process and formation of a conciliation board consisting of representatives of parties to the agreement: Provided that representation of parties in such conciliation board shall be fair and balanced. ( In Conciliation Board, Farmers representative or FPO representative may be increased).

    The above clauses are clear and need to be explained to common farmer.
    Last edited by KJ2018; March 26th, 2021 at 05:51 PM. Reason: THE FARMERS (EMPOWERMENT AND PROTECTION) AGREEMENT ON PRICE ASSURANCE AND FARM SERVICES ACT, 2020

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    The farmersí produce trade and commerce (promotion and facilitation) act, 2020

    [An Act to provide for the creation of an ecosystem where the farmers and traders enjoy the freedom of choice relating to sale and purchase of farmersí produce which facilitates remunerative prices through competitive alternative trading channels; to promote efficient, transparent and barrier-free inter-State and intra-State trade and commerce of farmersí produce outside the physical premises of markets or deemed markets notified under various State agricultural produce market legislations; to provide a facilitative framework for electronic trading and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto. processing, manufacturing, export, consumption or for such other purpose. (Where Adani & Ambaniís have been favoured. Act is just providing equal opportunities for small & big traders. In Agriculture commonities, the small traders are more dominant because of there proximity with farmers)- Any farmer or trader or electronic trading and transaction platform shall have the freedom to carry on the inter-State or intra-State trade and commerce in farmersí produce in a trade area.( Opportunities : Rural youth can promote Farmersí Group or FPOs and take benefit of e-trading)
    - The Central Government may, if it is of the opinion that it is necessary and expedient in the public interest so to do, prescribe a system for electronic registration for a trader, modalities of trade transaction and mode of payment of the scheduled farmersí produce in a trade area.
    - Every trader who transacts with farmers shall make payment for the traded scheduled farmersí produce on the same day or within the maximum three working days if procedurally so required subject to the condition that the receipt of delivery mentioning the due payment amount shall be given to the farmer on the same day. ( Farmer is being underestimated by the Kisan Unions as anyone can befool him)
    - Any person (other than individual), having a permanent account number allotted under the Income-tax Act, 1961or such other document as may be notified by the Central Government or any farmer producer organisation or agricultural co-operative society may establish and operate an electronic trading and transaction platform for facilitating inter-State or intra-State trade and commerce of scheduled farmersí produce in a trade area:
    -No market fee or cess or levy, by whatever name called, under any State APMC Act or any other State law, shall be levied on any farmer or trader or electronic trading and transaction platform for trade and commerce in scheduled farmersí produce in a trade area ( Reduced market fee/no commission agent charges will lower the inflation for consumers).

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    Migrated rural youth has proved that transportation sector is remunerative and provides employment and income opportunities. These youth have better networking in different cities and they can be better conduit for Inter State mobility of commodities and for this a proper farmer's trader portal can be initiated. Existing ACT can be properly understood and benefits can be taken up by guiding rural youth.

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    Why hesitation on Clausewise discussion ?

    If Kisan Sayunkat Morcha has enough evidence on ill effects of 3 New laws in that case negative points on clausewise basis should be given to common people (other than farmers) to get their support also. Otherwise it seems that so called farmers leaders are making Chanda Money by mobilising poorly informed farmers.

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    Kuldeep Singh
    I agree with almost all of your points except Interest subvention. As farmers get all of their money instead of being skimmed from top by Aadhtiyas, they wouldn't have any issue paying interest. I believe people are inherently "fair" they have keen sense of "right and wrong". Give you an example, right now Aashirvaad Atta has cornered the market in USA. Atta is high quality with high protein and fibre content. It is product of MP wheat.
    MP and to some extent UP farmers are reaping the windfall from PACS. They are spending money they have earned on consumables luxury item.
    Quote Originally Posted by KJ2018 View Post
    Initially ongoing Kisan movement was considered as a well organised and properly strategised movement but now, from my perspective it can be viewed as highly unorganised and being led by poorly informed people. The existing leadership could have included many demands which farmers face on daily basis - i) Increase in Interest subvention from 3 lak to 5 lakh on KCC, ii). Enhancement of interest subvention from 3 to 5 %, iii) Reducing crop insurance premium on commercial crops, iv) Defining farmers classification on Statewise basis (43% Large farmers are found in Rajasthan as per 2015-16 land holding),v) Private banks are not giving interest subvention on KCC, vi) Updation of land records, viii) Implementation of AH/Horticulture related schemes for rural youth, ix). FPO promotion by PACS/FPOs, x).FPO promotion in each Gram Panchayat ( as Gram Panchayat is having minimum 1000 farmer families), and so on ----------- No of demands on region specific basis could have been included besides the 3 farm laws. But poor awareness and coordination these problems were not prioritised which raise the doubts on the ability of existing leadership.

    Why the following demand are not included in the movement ?
    i).Presently MSP procurement in Punjab and Haryana happens through APMC by engaging Commission agent whereas in MP the Wheat procurement in MP happens through Primary Agril Credit Society(PACS). PACS is a farmers organisation. Last year MP was the largest wheat contributor in Central Pool ( 129 Lakh MT). Land record s of every farmer is verified before procurement and DBT faciity is given to farmers. Ongoing TV debate on land records with respect to Punjab is useless. So, Demand of farmers' movement should be that the procurement should happen through PACS in Punjab & Haryana rather than through APMC. This demand is not there which raise the doubt on this movement.
    ii). AT, APMC, the MSP should be used as a base price for auction in Mandi. This demand is also not there. Kindly see the Deptt of Food Civil Supply, Govt of India data on procurement being made by various states during last 5 years and you would be able to know the reason of this movement only on 3 laws. Regards

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    People from Haryana and Punjab are emotional creatures. They would believe in rumors and BS peddled by their friends, family members and others at some "chai ki dukaan" instead of understanding the legislation. Thus, they end up losing every time. These are the same people who are more interested in conning the system for 2 paise instead of making 2000 Rs. They want to be rich like American or Western Farmers but have no clue on how farming should be treated as business instead of sustenance.

    Quote Originally Posted by KJ2018 View Post
    FARMING AGREEMENT : A farmer may enter into a written farming agreement in respect of any farming produce .
    The minimum period of the farming agreement shall be for one crop season or one production cycle of livestock, as the case may be, and the maximum period shall be five years: ( Farmers may go for agreement of one crop season also)
    The parties entering into a farming agreement may identify and require as a condition for the performance of such agreement compliance with mutually acceptable quality, grade and standards of a farming produce.
    The price to be paid for the purchase of a farming produce may be determined and mentioned in the farming agreement itself.
    The Sponsor may, before accepting the delivery of any farming produce, inspect the quality or any other feature of such produce as specified in the farming agreement, otherwise, he shall be deemed to have inspected the produce and shall have no right to retract from acceptance of such produce at the time of its delivery or thereafter.
    The Sponsor shall,—(a) where the farming agreement relates to seed production, make payment of not less than two-third of agreed amount at the time of delivery and the remaining amount after due certification, but not later than thirty days of delivery; ( rumour is being spread among farmers that no payment will be made to farmers}.
    Where a farming agreement has been entered into in respect of any farming produce under this Act, such produce shall be exempt from the application of any State Act, by whatever name called, established for the purpose of regulation of sale and purchase of such farming produce. (State regulation on mobility of commodity will not be in practice)
    Notwithstanding anything contained in the Essential Commodities Act, 1955 or in any control order issued thereunder or in any other law for the time being in force, any obligation related to stock limit shall not be applicable to such quantities of farming produce as are purchased under a farming agreement entered into in accordance with the provisions of this Act.( Through contract farming any quantity of produce can be produced which will be exempted from ECA 1955)
    No farming agreement shall be entered into for the purpose of— (a) any transfer, including sale, lease and mortgage of the land or premises of the farmer; or (b) raising any permanent structure or making any modification on the land or premises of the farmer, unless the Sponsor agrees to remove such structure or to restore the land to its original condition, at his cost, on the conclusion of the agreement or expiry of the agreement period, as the case may be:
    A farming agreement may be linked with insurance or credit instrument under any scheme of the Central Government or the State Government or any financial service provider to ensure risk mitigation and flow of credit to farmer or Sponsor or both. ( Farmers may take the benefit of Govt sponsored shemes on cluster basis which is an added adventage)
    Save as otherwise provided in this Act, an aggregator or farm service provider may become a party to the farming agreement and in such case, the role and services of such aggregator or farm service provider shall be explicitly mentioned in such farming agreement. ( If farmers have any doubt, in that case FPOs can be promoted and FPO can sign on behalf of farmers)
    Explanation.—For the purposes of this section, (i) "aggregator" means any person, including a Farmer Producer Organisation, who acts as an intermediary between a farmer or a group of farmers and a Sponsor and provides aggregation related services to both farmers and Sponsor;(ii) "farm service provider" means any person who provides farm services.
    At any time after entering into a farming agreement, the parties to such agreement may, with mutual consent, alter or terminate such agreement for any reasonable cause.
    12. (1) A State Government may notify a Registration Authority to provide for electronic registry for that State that provides facilitative framework for registration of farming agreements.
    DISPUTE SETTLEMENT : 13. (1) Every farming agreement shall explicitly provide for a conciliation process and formation of a conciliation board consisting of representatives of parties to the agreement: Provided that representation of parties in such conciliation board shall be fair and balanced. ( In Conciliation Board, Farmers representative or FPO representative may be increased).

    The above clauses are clear and need to be explained to common farmer.

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    One should not forget that a large chunk of farmers in northern India hold a few acre land per person. Their battle is for survival not for luxury. It’s difficult to imagine what would happen to those farmers who are seeking their livelihood in just 5-10 Bigha land. They are mere labourers with a tag of farmer.
    The biggest objection is, these farming bills are aimed at turning the Indian traditional farming into consumer based market. There may be a number of benefits of proposed farming bills according to government, but these bill will turn those farmers cum labourers into pure consumer. That’s for sure. Thus, making their lives more vulnerable due to very low household income of such farmers.

    No capping on storage of crops will throw out the small vendors from the market. Again, big corporates will control the commodity market. Government just want to get rid of public distribution system. After a few years, you will see government warehouses will be shut down or disinvested to corporates due to price war with big corporates. The excuse will be like, farmers are selling their crops to big corporates due to higher crop rate. Government can’t afford the subsidy on crop procurement from farmers. So as a consumer you will have to buy everything from corporate food stores not public ration shop.

    Imagine, small farmers signed a contract with corporate for their crops and farming land. Those farmer will no longer be a producer but consumer. Now, they need to spend their money to get the food from the market. Can government give the guarantee to such farmers to get their income increased in same proportion as they had as a farmer? Obviously not, average rate of contract of farming land can’t be more than the price of crops that contracted land can yield in a season.

    And it’s not about crop contracts only, a farmer keeps dairy cattle also. It means farmers needs to give up the idea of having dairy cattle after ceding the land to corporates. Another burden on such farmers to buy milk from market. Now don’t say that farmers are not bound to sign the contract for entire land. Ok..agreed. What if corporates says we will not sign the contract unless you do it for all the land you have. it’s very much possible. Given the situation of babu culture in India.
    All we can say that these farming bills create a rippling effect in agricultural industry of India. Unfortunately, farmers will be the one who will suffer the most.

    India is not USA. We don’t have hourly rate. Forget about MSP, even minimum wages are not enforced properly. If we calculate the working hours of a farmer spent in cultivation of land and crop, the production cost of crop will be much higher. Indian MSP is just an estimation of average production cost and not linked to man hours involved in producing a crop. Indian farmers doesn’t get subsidy to keep the production cost as per the international market. They are not asking to compensate their man hours but an adequate MSP to meet the cost of living. The biggest contrast is number of people involved in agriculture in both the countries. In India it would be more than 60% while in US it would be hardly 2%.

    The paddlers of farm bills repeat this thing very often that farmers can cancel their contract with corporates at any time. Agreed. Farmers can. But what about the agricultural instruments which will have no use for a farmer after getting into an agreement. How long they can hold those instruments? One year, two years or may be more..Eventually, farmers will have to sell those agricultural equipment. like: bhaisa, buggi, tiller etc. It means they will be completely out of the farming after few years. Can you imagine for such farmers who own very few acre land to get back into farming again? Buying agricultural equipment again? Even if they cancel the agreement, it would be very difficult to procure all the agricultural equipment after few years and getting into the farming again. Almost impossible. At least, their future generation will refuse to take up the farming again after getting used to contract farming.

    This is what these farming bills are aimed at. Turning these peasant farmers into a lower income consumer. Leaving them at a stake of big corporates. Working in their stores and becoming a part of Rat race.

    If government really wants to help the farmers, MSP bill should be there, and an enforced one not on paper but on the ground rather leaving farmers at the mercy of Mandi Samiti or Big Corporates. We really don’t need such farming bills which are more focused on empowerment of corporates and capitalist than peasant farmers.
    Last edited by ayushkadyan; April 27th, 2021 at 01:14 PM.

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    What an illuminating, eye-opening, and a novel idea. Don't know how wold is functioning without such intellectuals not being able to contribute. Aapne to aankhein hi khol di apne Gyaan ki ganga baha kar yaha. Kahan chupe the aap jaise talent wale log.

    Quote Originally Posted by karan View Post
    People from Haryana and Punjab are emotional creatures. They would believe in rumors and BS peddled by their friends, family members and others at some "chai ki dukaan" instead of understanding the legislation. Thus, they end up losing every time. These are the same people who are more interested in conning the system for 2 paise instead of making 2000 Rs. They want to be rich like American or Western Farmers but have no clue on how farming should be treated as business instead of sustenance.
    Har Har Modi, Ghar Ghar Modi.

  11. #11

    Interest Subvention on KCC

    Presently 5% interest subvention assuming 9% RoI by GoI ( 2% to Banks and 3% to regular borrowers) on KCC loan is given to farmers upto an amount of Rs.3 lakh of KCC loan. My suggestion was that farmers may be given KCC loan at zero percent means 4% additional interest subvention can be asked or loan limit of interest subvention can be enhanced upto Rs. 5 lakh.



    Quote Originally Posted by karan View Post
    Kuldeep Singh
    I agree with almost all of your points except Interest subvention. As farmers get all of their money instead of being skimmed from top by Aadhtiyas, they wouldn't have any issue paying interest. I believe people are inherently "fair" they have keen sense of "right and wrong". Give you an example, right now Aashirvaad Atta has cornered the market in USA. Atta is high quality with high protein and fibre content. It is product of MP wheat.
    MP and to some extent UP farmers are reaping the windfall from PACS. They are spending money they have earned on consumables luxury item.

  12. #12

    Farmers need to be defined properly

    As per land holding census 2015-16, 43% large farmers are found in Rajasthan (particularly in Western Rajsthan) and majority of large farmers come from rainfed areas(except Punjab & Haryana). These farmers don't get the benefit of loan waiver, etc as criteria of 5 Acre is generally applied on such facilities. The Kisan Unions never bother about the income level of these farmers and particularly those farmers families who are solely dependent on agriculture.

  13. #13

    Ashirvad Atta- A mixture of Sarbati and Common wheat

    As we all are aware that wheat Procurement through PACS in MP started in 2010 and Govt of MP used to give MSP + Rs. 150/qtl as Bonus to the farmers. ITC was the major buyer of Sarbati wheat in MP but it also mixes common wheat in Ashirwad Atta (It is not claimed on Pkt that Atta is having 100% Sarbati Wheat but 100 % MP Wholegrain Wheat is claimed). Due to higher prices of common wheat in MP because of MSP + Bonus, ITC shifted their procurement base of common wheat from MP to nearby Areas of UP like Lalitpur, Jhansi, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by karan View Post
    Kuldeep Singh
    I agree with almost all of your points except Interest subvention. As farmers get all of their money instead of being skimmed from top by Aadhtiyas, they wouldn't have any issue paying interest. I believe people are inherently "fair" they have keen sense of "right and wrong". Give you an example, right now Aashirvaad Atta has cornered the market in USA. Atta is high quality with high protein and fibre content. It is product of MP wheat.
    MP and to some extent UP farmers are reaping the windfall from PACS. They are spending money they have earned on consumables luxury item.

  14. #14

    Contract or Collective Farming is an opportunity to Small Farmers through FPOs

    Small Farmers can be member of Farmers Producer Organisation (FPOs) and FPOs is the most efficient marketing channel between producer to consumer. Contract can be signed only Rabi season and Kharif can be used for fodder cultivation or subsistence farming.

    Quote Originally Posted by ayushkadyan View Post
    One should not forget that a large chunk of farmers in northern India hold a few acre land per person. Their battle is for survival not for luxury. Itís difficult to imagine what would happen to those farmers who are seeking their livelihood in just 5-10 Bigha land. They are mere labourers with a tag of farmer.
    The biggest objection is, these farming bills are aimed at turning the Indian traditional farming into consumer based market. There may be a number of benefits of proposed farming bills according to government, but these bill will turn those farmers cum labourers into pure consumer. Thatís for sure. Thus, making their lives more vulnerable due to very low household income of such farmers.

    No capping on storage of crops will throw out the small vendors from the market. Again, big corporates will control the commodity market. Government just want to get rid of public distribution system. After a few years, you will see government warehouses will be shut down or disinvested to corporates due to price war with big corporates. The excuse will be like, farmers are selling their crops to big corporates due to higher crop rate. Government canít afford the subsidy on crop procurement from farmers. So as a consumer you will have to buy everything from corporate food stores not public ration shop.

    Imagine, small farmers signed a contract with corporate for their crops and farming land. Those farmer will no longer be a producer but consumer. Now, they need to spend their money to get the food from the market. Can government give the guarantee to such farmers to get their income increased in same proportion as they had as a farmer? Obviously not, average rate of contract of farming land canít be more than the price of crops that contracted land can yield in a season.

    And itís not about crop contracts only, a farmer keeps dairy cattle also. It means farmers needs to give up the idea of having dairy cattle after ceding the land to corporates. Another burden on such farmers to buy milk from market. Now donít say that farmers are not bound to sign the contract for entire land. Ok..agreed. What if corporates says we will not sign the contract unless you do it for all the land you have. itís very much possible. Given the situation of babu culture in India.
    All we can say that these farming bills create a rippling effect in agricultural industry of India. Unfortunately, farmers will be the one who will suffer the most.

    India is not USA. We donít have hourly rate. Forget about MSP, even minimum wages are not enforced properly. If we calculate the working hours of a farmer spent in cultivation of land and crop, the production cost of crop will be much higher. Indian MSP is just an estimation of average production cost and not linked to man hours involved in producing a crop. Indian farmers doesnít get subsidy to keep the production cost as per the international market. They are not asking to compensate their man hours but an adequate MSP to meet the cost of living. The biggest contrast is number of people involved in agriculture in both the countries. In India it would be more than 60% while in US it would be hardly 2%.

    The paddlers of farm bills repeat this thing very often that farmers can cancel their contract with corporates at any time. Agreed. Farmers can. But what about the agricultural instruments which will have no use for a farmer after getting into an agreement. How long they can hold those instruments? One year, two years or may be more..Eventually, farmers will have to sell those agricultural equipment. like: bhaisa, buggi, tiller etc. It means they will be completely out of the farming after few years. Can you imagine for such farmers who own very few acre land to get back into farming again? Buying agricultural equipment again? Even if they cancel the agreement, it would be very difficult to procure all the agricultural equipment after few years and getting into the farming again. Almost impossible. At least, their future generation will refuse to take up the farming again after getting used to contract farming.

    This is what these farming bills are aimed at. Turning these peasant farmers into a lower income consumer. Leaving them at a stake of big corporates. Working in their stores and becoming a part of Rat race.

    If government really wants to help the farmers, MSP bill should be there, and an enforced one not on paper but on the ground rather leaving farmers at the mercy of Mandi Samiti or Big Corporates. We really donít need such farming bills which are more focused on empowerment of corporates and capitalist than peasant farmers.

  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by KJ2018 View Post
    Small Farmers can be member of Farmers Producer Organisation (FPOs) and FPOs is the most efficient marketing channel between producer to consumer. Contract can be signed only Rabi season and Kharif can be used for fodder cultivation or subsistence farming.
    Really? In a country, where Government canít even control Mandi system, MSP and sarkari babus, do you think such Farmers organisations gonna help farmers? Must be kidding. Sad but true, a peasant farmer has no value in this country where government is leaving no stone unturned to put farmers fate at the corporatesí stake.
    These FPOs kind of things look good on paper but in reality, peasant farmers are the one who get nothing from such ideas. A few socially aware farmers may get some benefits from FPOs but usually, farmer who are not that educated, not aware of their rights, and I bet on this, half of the innocent farmers in villages donít know what these marketing channels are, they will end up getting nothing out of such initiatives.
    The end result of such schemes for small farmers are just like crop insurance schemes, Kisan Credit Card kind of thing where real beneficiaries are bank and insurers not the farmers. FPOs also struggle in distributing the fare share of profits among the contributing members(farmers). Itís too complicated system for an average farmer. Fancy on papers, far from reality. Again, who will be the buyer of FPOs, corporates? because government is removing the capping on storage of corp. No one can stop a capitalist to invest more in bying the crop from FPOs or farmers directly through land/crop contracts. Thatís the concern. Eventually, corporates will control everything in commodity market.
    The struggle of peasant farmers will remain same. They are fighting against system, they are fighting against government for their legitimate rights so that they can live with dignity in this country. Thatís it.

  16. #16
    There are many points which are not good for a common farmer in this bills,
    The dispute resolution mechanism is one of them, It also include ways to recover arrear according to the Land Revenue Act of 1996, under which the crops of farmer, His/her machinery, residential plots, moveable properties can be sold to recover the arrear (Leaving just Agriculture land) also imprisonment. The Contract Farming is a complicated thing for Indian farmers, the quality, color, pesticide and moisture measure clauses in agreement can be used to pay lower prices to the farmers. Buying using Pan card is also not a good idea. Also about the private mandis we already have the example of Bihar are they getting better prices than APMC mandis? No! Private mandis controlled by private traders with any proper rules and regulations will be just used to exploit the farmers. Don't fall of this ****, its just a stupid move by Modi just all most his decisions have become an failure for the Indian economy, this decision will lead to lower income and more exploitation to the farmers. It all looks good on paper, but we all know the ground reality of Private traders, SDM and Govt employees, How the dispute resolution mechanism can be manipulated, plus there are no proper safeguards for farmers. There is not Basic Code of Contract given by the Government in the bill.

  17. #17
    SOME FACTS TO KNOW
    A. LAND HOLDING STATUS
    TOTAL LAND HOLDINGS OR FARMERS IN COUNTRY - 14.60 CRORE ( 2015-16)
    LAND HOLDINGS IN PUNJAB & HARYANA - 27 LAKH ( 17 LAKH IN HARYANA & 10 LAKH IN PUNJAB). AVERAGE SIZE OF LAND HOLDING IS BETTER IN PUNJAB THAN HARYANA.

    • PUNJAB STATE HAS VERY WEAK FINANCIAL POSITION (RBI REPORT- BUDGET REVIEW)DESPITE FARMERS ARE RICH. AS EVERYTHING IS AVAILABLE AT SUBSIDY - NO IRRIGATION CHARGES, NO ELECTRICITY CHARGES, ASSURED MSP (IN PAST), FERTILISER SUBSIDY , INTEREST SUBVENTION ON KCC, ETC.

    B. Foodgrains Production Scenario (2020-21) & MSP Procurement
    Total Foodgrains (Cereals + Pulses)- 303 million tonne
    Wheat and Paddy Production - 228 Million tonne ( 75% of total Foodgrains)
    Pulses - 24 Million tonne
    Other Cereals - 45 Million Tonne (Includes Bajra, Jowar, Maize, Ragi, Mandua, etc.)

    • Wheat and paddy share is 75% in total foodgrains which means marketable surplus of other crops is not significant. 44% paddy procurement ( out of 118 million tonne of production) from 12 States (including Bihar, Chhatisgarh, TN, AP, MH,etc.) and 38% wheat procurement (out of 108 million tonne of production) from 5 States is an Indication that large no of farmers have been benefitted.

    C. FRUITS & VEGETABLES : SMALL FARMERS CONTRIBUTE MAXIMUM IN VEGETABLE AND FRUIT PRODUCTION OTHER THAN FOODGRAINS ALSO.
    CONCLUSION :

    • STATE GOVT NEEDS TO STUDY THE PROCUREMENT SYSTEM BEING FOLLOWED IN MP THROUGH PACS AND SAME MAY BE IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER STATES AS IT IS MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE FARMERS.
    • LESS THAN 1% FARMERS ARE INVOLVED IN AGITATION.
    • FARMERS LEADERS ARE TOTALLY UNAWARE ABOUT THE MAJOR PROBLEMS BEING FACED BY FRUITS & VEGETABLE GROWERS IN WB, MH, TN, BIHAR, TA, KTK, UP, ETC.

    SUGGESTION : LIST OUT THE PROBLEMS OF ALL THE FARMERS OF VARIOUS STATES AND ACCORDINGLY PREPARE THE CHARTER OF DEMANDS FOR NEGOTIATIONS.

  18. #18

    Sidhu unfurled Kala Jhanda - Mockery with farmers

    Quote Originally Posted by KJ2018 View Post
    SOME FACTS TO KNOW
    A. LAND HOLDING STATUS
    TOTAL LAND HOLDINGS OR FARMERS IN COUNTRY - 14.60 CRORE ( 2015-16)
    LAND HOLDINGS IN PUNJAB & HARYANA - 27 LAKH ( 17 LAKH IN HARYANA & 10 LAKH IN PUNJAB). AVERAGE SIZE OF LAND HOLDING IS BETTER IN PUNJAB THAN HARYANA.

    • PUNJAB STATE HAS VERY WEAK FINANCIAL POSITION (RBI REPORT- BUDGET REVIEW)DESPITE FARMERS ARE RICH. AS EVERYTHING IS AVAILABLE AT SUBSIDY - NO IRRIGATION CHARGES, NO ELECTRICITY CHARGES, ASSURED MSP (IN PAST), FERTILISER SUBSIDY , INTEREST SUBVENTION ON KCC, ETC.

    B. Foodgrains Production Scenario (2020-21) & MSP Procurement
    Total Foodgrains (Cereals + Pulses)- 303 million tonne
    Wheat and Paddy Production - 228 Million tonne ( 75% of total Foodgrains)
    Pulses - 24 Million tonne
    Other Cereals - 45 Million Tonne (Includes Bajra, Jowar, Maize, Ragi, Mandua, etc.)

    • Wheat and paddy share is 75% in total foodgrains which means marketable surplus of other crops is not significant. 44% paddy procurement ( out of 118 million tonne of production) from 12 States (including Bihar, Chhatisgarh, TN, AP, MH,etc.) and 38% wheat procurement (out of 108 million tonne of production) from 5 States is an Indication that large no of farmers have been benefitted.

    C. FRUITS & VEGETABLES : SMALL FARMERS CONTRIBUTE MAXIMUM IN VEGETABLE AND FRUIT PRODUCTION OTHER THAN FOODGRAINS ALSO.
    CONCLUSION :

    • STATE GOVT NEEDS TO STUDY THE PROCUREMENT SYSTEM BEING FOLLOWED IN MP THROUGH PACS AND SAME MAY BE IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER STATES AS IT IS MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE FARMERS.
    • LESS THAN 1% FARMERS ARE INVOLVED IN AGITATION.
    • FARMERS LEADERS ARE TOTALLY UNAWARE ABOUT THE MAJOR PROBLEMS BEING FACED BY FRUITS & VEGETABLE GROWERS IN WB, MH, TN, BIHAR, TA, KTK, UP, ETC.

    SUGGESTION : LIST OUT THE PROBLEMS OF ALL THE FARMERS OF VARIOUS STATES AND ACCORDINGLY PREPARE THE CHARTER OF DEMANDS FOR NEGOTIATIONS.
    PMFBY is not being implemented in Punjab and MSP ptocurement happens through Mandis instead of FPOs or PACS. - Still he is saying he is with farmers. Great

  19. #19
    Demand for Farmers’ Benefit - Need of HourFollowing points will clearly Indicate that “Sayunkat Kisan Morcha” is not having any information about major farmers’ problem like:
    • Large Farmer Criteria- 43% large holdings ( >10 Ha) of the country are found in Western Rajasthan where income of these farmers are lower than those farmers of irrigated areas having land less than 2.5 Acre. Similarly, medium farmers ( 4-10 ha) also found in large numbers but these farmers are not getting benefit of loan waiver scheme, etc.
    • Most of the large farmers (except Punjab & Haryana) come from rainfed areas and all police makers neglect them.
    • Punjab is only State where PM Fasal Bima Yojana is not being implemented.
    • In PMFBY, the threshold yield at Patwar halwa level needs to be realistic and list of settled insurance claim should be provided to the concerned village.- No one from Kisan Marcha has seen the Threshold yield ?
    • Some banks like ICICI bank, HDFC, Axis, etc are providing kCC @ 11% to farmers and no interest subvention to regular borrower is provided ? Have any leader of Kisan Morcha Checked the passbook of any farmer ? - Certainly not
    • Farmers need KCC/Term loan for agriculture development but bank branches generally don’t provide loan to the farmers. As a result, maximum tractors are financed by Non Banking Financial Companies which charge RoI between 18-30% besides hidden charges. In this connection, Kisan Marcha should come forward for formation of Farmers Producers Organisation (FPOs) and these FPOs may guide the farmers and FPOs can be given license in APMCs for procurement of wheat , paddy, etc and bank recovery can be linked with procurement.
    • Global warming is posing major threat to Agril & Dairy Sector . As per IPCC report, average temp. Of earth is increased by one degree Celsius between 1880 to 2017. Burning of Agril residue (deliberately by BKU members in Punjab) has to be Avoided and Sayunkat Kisan Morcha should come forward to address this issue.
    • Excessive use of Fertiliser and Pesticide in Punjab, Haryana and AP is happening which is adversely affecting the health of common people. MSP should be provided only for chemical free foodgrains.
    • Kisan Morcha is not aware about the procurement and payment system being followed by various State Govt. The system where farmers have been benefitted should be promoted(Certainly Punjab & Haryana System through Mandis is not beneficial. NAFED procures through PACS and same should be implemented)
    • Traditional food has been Bajra, Maize, Jowar, Ragi, etc. In PDS, the local crops like Bajra, Maize, Jowar to be introduced like Karnataka has made procurement of Raagi. Providing of Bajra under PDS should be welcomed as local media (bcoz of poor knowledge) has opposed it.
    • Lastly, few negatives points of 3 Acts to be told to common people which will harm to farmers at large scale with authenticate data. I think, the leaders have no idea on followings :
      • Marketable surplus and arrivals in APMCs
      • Prevailing procurement system or marketing channels (UZHavar Shantie model of TN may be studied for direct marketing )- Kisan Morcha never studied such ongoing successful models.
      • Abhinav Kisan Club model - positive points may be studied and may be included in demands

  20. #20

    Market yards in Bihar

    Out of 400 Mandis in Bihar, only 95 Mandis were under APMC Act. That is why Govt of Bihar abolished the APMC Act. In Bihar Marketing is not a major issue. The consolidation of land holding is the major issue.

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