DPS RKPuram MMS scandal: Who is responsible?

[itsnavin]

Some say...its technology..some say..affluency..some say popularity.
I'd say it's lack of education and proper guidance.

To counter these problems, what could be the steps:
- Does our society need a revolution to identify the evil and throw it away?
- Do we need a open culture like the western countries to reduce these kind
of crimes?(I don't agree with this)
- Would a ban on mobile phones in schools and colleges can solve this problem permanently?(Crime lovers have internet as the other media. They are exploiting and will exploit the internet for these)
- Do we need an overhauling of education system with stress on these social issues?

What r ur views?

Navin

[ramksehrawat]

It happens only when parents' love and direction is not available to the kids. Such things are bound to take place when parents don't pay heed to what their children are doing. Only providing with latest gazetts and pocket full of money is no parenting. Parents should try to watch each step of their children and guide them properly on the path of life.

[jagmohan]

The MMs scandal and many such things that are on the increase in the society are indicative of complete 'Refugeekaran' of our society. Responsibility lies with parents but it seems even they are too busy in pursuit of wealth, by all and any means, so that they could buy that next big car, house, etc. etc. Nothing wrong in it. We all have a democratic right to create wealth for the betterment of our loved ones. However, when this pursuit become an obsession to gain name and fame by whatever means, the decay starts from within ie the family. Same thing must have happened in this case. The Daughter's father, a Defence Officer, must have been busy looking after his bosses and apparantly had no time for his daughter.

The unfortunate part is that we seem to be making and repeating the same mistakes as the West. We would go on the same path of destruction, lower our value systems in the name of modernisation and globalisation, become poor imitators of 'so called Hep Culture' and may be even suffer greatly. The others seem to have recovered but we won't because 'we are like this only'.

The MMS case is reflective of of 'Sab Chalta Hai' attitude. The solution does not lie in banning mobile phones. Whatever is banned becomes more popular in democratic countries. Newer technologies can't be restricted just because few people misuse them. The need of the hour is for the parents to once again start parenting.

Regards,

JS Malik

[rkumar]

Fooling and then exploiting innocent girls has been as old as humanity, except that the methods have been changing. I am not sure how much it has to do with parents spending time with kids and giving them care. Exploitation takes place across all socio-economic strata. Photography in all its forms has been used ever since it become available. My memories are still fresh about one jat girl who was involved with Suresh Ram, the son of Late Jagjivan Ram. Her photographs were available at every street corner in Delhi and finally they were published in Magazine Suriya run by Maneka Gandhi. Innocent girls are tricked into the act. If one does a detailed survey of even prostitution, a large number of girls are lured with all sorts of excuses and then hooked for never to return. One can write many books onto the subject..

All I can say is that I really feel sorry for the poor girl. The guilty must be punished.

Rajendra

PS: here is the latest development in this case;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1157689,0008.htm

Look at the greed of money how it is driving the pople who already have so much..

RK^2

[adhanda]

I dont consider such a girl to be 'innocent' in any way !!, please note they are in 11th standard. I think both of them are guilty, but again, the majority thinks its only the boy who did something wrong (reminds me of aitraaz !!). In my personal view, these days its the girls who r becoming more and more 'modern' and 'openminded'. This is just one example, I often read such incidents (regarding openmindedness of the present society) in timesofindia, there was an article about illegal abortion in delhi which reported 40% of the subject to be in the age group of 16-18 (innocent ..phew !!),

Offcourse proper paretage is the only solution to this, but some steps can further propel this process like banning mobile phone, dress code in colleges (no jeans/minis), etc...

kudos to our meticulous police.. instead of arresting the culprits, they arrested an iitian for 'selling' (whats the big deal in selling??? I guess such a thing is available in each and every video-shop)...saare desh ko chhod kar bas usse dhar liya !! poor guy..

Abhishek

Fooling and then exploiting innocent girls has been as old as humanity, except that the methods have been changing. I am not sure how much it has to do with parents spending time with kids and giving them care. Exploitation takes place across all socio-economic strata. Photography in all its forms has been used ever since it become available. My memories are still fresh about one jat girl who was involved with Suresh Ram, the son of Late Jagjivan Ram. Her photographs were available at every street corner in Delhi and finally they were published in Magazine Suriya run by Maneka Gandhi. Innocent girls are tricked into the act. If one does a detailed survey of even prostitution, a large number of girls are lured with all sorts of excuses and then hooked for never to return. One can write many books onto the subject..

All I can say is that I really feel sorry for the poor girl. The guilty must be punished.

Rajendra

PS: here is the latest development in this case;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1157689,0008.htm

Look at the greed of money how it is driving the pople who already have so much..

RK^2

[aksaharan]

I believe responsibilty for any such act, lies with the individual and the society they interact in. In today's world, parent's hold a very small fraction of responsibilty of any such activity, given the fact that most of them are busy with their hard work condition (specially diwk's - double income with kids). These are the things which I feel are not new to the society, but technology has enabled it to spread like forest fire.

Is CEO of Bazee to be blamed for this?? They just provide technology to enable people to do business in efficient way. It's like arresting a oil corporation CEO because some one committed suicide by self-immolation using oil.

What is the crime here in this case? Is it having recorded the MMS? or Is it distributing the MMS? or Is it providing technology platform to do online auction without monitoring each and every byte going in/out? or Is it selling porn over the net?

How come they have forgotten the girl in the whole episode? Isn't she equally responsible for the whole act? Most of things are learnt from the people we live/places we spend our time, and since the involved guys are still in school, I presume they must be spending about 1/3 part of their daily life in school. That said, Is school equally responsible for any such act happening?

[jkthenua]

completely agree with you Abhishek

it can blamed to anybody, any technology or else. but the fact is that our society is somewhere between old india and western world. and with the influence of western world it is very much required that we have proper sex education in our schools.

I dont consider such a girl to be 'innocent' in any way !!, please note they are in 11th standard. I think both of them are guilty, but again, the majority thinks its only the boy who did something wrong (reminds me of aitraaz !!). In my personal view, these days its the girls who r becoming more and more 'modern' and 'openminded'. This is just one example, I often read such incidents (regarding openmindedness of the present society) in timesofindia, there was an article about illegal abortion in delhi which reported 40% of the subject to be in the age group of 16-18 (innocent ..phew !!),

Offcourse proper paretage is the only solution to this, but some steps can further propel this process like banning mobile phone, dress code in colleges (no jeans/minis), etc...

kudos to our meticulous police.. instead of arresting the culprits, they arrested an iitian for 'selling' (whats the big deal in selling??? I guess such a thing is available in each and every video-shop)...saare desh ko chhod kar bas usse dhar liya !! poor guy..

Abhishek

[mbamal]

Its an important but relatively small issue (compared to other big issues such as institutional corruption, rape, murders etc. etc.) that is completely blown out of proportions by media..and police is just looking for quick publicity by making this a high profile case by going after iitians and CEOs. This MMS was made by young students out of some misplaced sense of adventure and fun. The people involved should be given a stern warning (they've already been rusticated). Such as case does not warrants police action. But this is just my personal opinion!

[adhanda]

Hi,

Whenever I see such comment about providing 'sex education' I wonder whats included in that?? I mean these days even 5th grade students are much more smarter then even a yesteryear college student, so whats this fuzz about sex education and all !!!!, note that the clip has 11th grade student involved, it means they already know everything about sex and all..

I agree with Mandeep, there is no need for police involvement, but whats required is some drastic change in set of rules n regulations, I wonder do we need to go back to gurukuls instead of co-eds..

Abhishek

completely agree with you Abhishek

it can blamed to anybody, any technology or else. but the fact is that our society is somewhere between old india and western world. and with the influence of western world it is very much required that we have proper sex education in our schools.

[coolguy]

this issue has been a matter of discussion for the last few days..........
may be due to name of an iitian.....then ceo of bazzy.com......
but this is not the solution........
u can't blame the site which provides the online business oportunities..
neither u can blame that student......it can be found anywhere ...even in floopy, cds..........
there is problem inour laws, rules.......
what school students did.that was wrong.....
they misused the technology............
if there should have been any action then it was to be against them.........
but police is using some other means.
neither girl was innocent....
she was enough mature....to understand what's happening...
what i think this is simply disgrading of our cultural values.......
or u can say ....westernalization of our culture...............

[jkthenua]

dear abhishek,

well term is small but it is really serious thing. what you say a 5th grade student know. it is all misrepresentation what he receive at that age. and thats why we need.

in yesteryears, neither we taught about nor we have any other easily accessible source. but today in transforming India you have a lot indirect or direct sources of information, which gives u improper knowledge about sex.

rest is individual's thinking

Hi,

Whenever I see such comment about providing 'sex education' I wonder whats included in that?? I mean these days even 5th grade students are much more smarter then even a yesteryear college student, so whats this fuzz about sex education and all !!!!, note that the clip has 11th grade student involved, it means they already know everything about sex and all..

I agree with Mandeep, there is no need for police involvement, but whats required is some drastic change in set of rules n regulations, I wonder do we need to go back to gurukuls instead of co-eds..

Abhishek

[kulwant]

The girl has done it with consent and very deliberatly and what I will say she must have been in full sense while doing that act. So there is no point calling her innocent and same goes for the boy.
Had she not been caught, she would have done much more also.
Infact what i will say is that boy has breached the trust and he deserve all kind of crticism for making that girl so infamous. And he must be punished for making this a public affair.
It speaks of over all degradation of the society and the process of degradation is still on and it will continue in the years to come.

[chhoraharyanada]

I have been following this debate and seeing such issues/debates being raised on star news etc.

I asked a friend to forward me the clip and I had a look to see what fuss was all about.

Here are my 2 cents:

1. The girl knew what she was doing. (come on! she is in class XI aur vo bhi delhi mein).

2. In all this, there is nothing in terms of enjoyment in it for her ... this is pure 110% ******* (please excuse language - but there is no other way of putting it bluntly).

Who is to blame?

50% ... parents.
40% ... girl
10% ... boy.

Parents: I agree with Col J Malik - this 'refugee-karan' attitude. All these people who are soooooooooo concerned with earning money and driving 'foren' cars can not even instil an iota of hindu values or pride into their children.
sabse bade zimmedar voh hain.

Girl: Reasons above.

Boy: ek hath se tali nai bajti. he has to take some blame, but to be fair, he is doing what any other 16-18 yr old guy will want to do. Only most guys in India THINK these things or VIEW these things but never get chance to do it for real. is chhore ko mauka mil gaya.
BUT he should not under any circumstances have started showing it to his pals and selling it to make a buck just cos he split up with her. that is v.low indeed.

Regards,

Ram Ram

[sansanwalamit]

well Ramandeep bhai and others hold your horses,
dont call the girl a prostitute, come on she wanted to have some fun and enjoy her sexuality(just like the boy she is also 17-18), that does'nt make her a prostitue, if she was a prostitute then it would not be such a big deal isnt it.
I dont agree with how you have divided the blame amongst the parents, the girl and the boy,
I would say its only the boy and girl who are involved 50-50 and noone else, and what parents have got to do with it, I pity those two kids for getting stuck in such a scandal.
I dont think they were upto any wrong, come on werent we all teenagers once, the only thing wrong was getting public with that, I would say they both fell prey to the desperation of middle aged perverts, or perverts who dont get enough sex, and even worst the cheapstake perverts who wanted to make money out of it.(this is only when they werent willing to go public)
and if they willingly wanted to get famous like Pamla Anderson and Tommy Lee, then personally I dont see anything wrong with that.
Come on dont blame their parents for this please, just because their kids are caught doenst mean other people's kids arent having sex, and dont say that it's only in delhi where people are having sex, we all are aware of what goes on in the green mustard fields of Haryana* and elsewhere, girls and boys from Haryana* might be shy but they also do things whenever and however they get a chance. And as far as I know about this case, there is nothing wrong with it except the invasion of the couple's privacy, and the person responsible for this should be punished severely like they do in the Islamic countries.
*the term Haryana is inclusive of all the Jat areas, such as western UP and Jat Rajasthan

[singh1981]

Who is to blame?

Technology ------- No
Parents -------------weak No
Teachers ---------weak No
Students -------- Strong No.

Actually with time kids grow faster........to ye sab to hona hi hai.........
yaar jab koi 10th ka ladka ya ladki software/hardware field mai kuch fandu karta hai to hum bade khus hote hain........ki aajkal kai bachee bahut tez ho gaye hain........tub to koi nahi kahta ....ki beta aukat mai rah ..jayada uaad maat......infact sab credit lene pahoonch jaate hain ......parents,school .....etc ..
vo agar modern socity ka part hai to ye bhi hai........

i am not sporting this but i am presenting here a different view. infact is case kai baad Gbad. mai ek aur case hua jisme 7/8 kai ladke aur 2nd ki ladki ......aab ki ko blame kiya jaaye....

i think only way to solve this kind of issues is through education.(moral as well as sex) ...mobile ya kuch aur ban karke kuch nahi hoga....kuch bhi nahi....

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[chhoraharyanada]

well Ramandeep bhai and others hold your horses,
dont call the girl a prostitute, come on she wanted to have some fun and enjoy her sexuality(just like the boy she is also 17-18), that does'nt make her a prostitue, if she was a prostitute then it would not be such a big deal isnt it.
I dont agree with how you have divided the blame amongst the parents, the girl and the boy,
I would say its only the boy and girl who are involved 50-50 and noone else, and what parents have got to do with it, I pity those two kids for getting stuck in such a scandal.
I dont think they were upto any wrong, come on werent we all teenagers once, the only thing wrong was getting public with that, I would say they both fell prey to the desperation of middle aged perverts, or perverts who dont get enough sex, and even worst the cheapstake perverts who wanted to make money out of it.(this is only when they werent willing to go public)
and if they willingly wanted to get famous like Pamla Anderson and Tommy Lee, then personally I dont see anything wrong with that.
Come on dont blame their parents for this please, just because their kids are caught doenst mean other people's kids arent having sex, and dont say that it's only in delhi where people are having sex, we all are aware of what goes on in the green mustard fields of Haryana* and elsewhere, girls and boys from Haryana* might be shy but they also do things whenever and however they get a chance. And as far as I know about this case, there is nothing wrong with it except the invasion of the couple's privacy, and the person responsible for this should be punished severely like they do in the Islamic countries.
*the term Haryana is inclusive of all the Jat areas, such as western UP and Jat Rajasthan

yaar Amit bhai,

dude she is going down on the guy - that to me, is 1-way traffic.

that is not 'exploring her sexuality' ... And why in Gods name is she allowing the guy to capture it all on camera?

She is totally degrading herself to the level of a 2-bit hooker.

And for those of you who think parents dont have anything to do with it - come on! Have you seen the 'posh colonies' of South Delhi? (I mean vasant vihar, New friends colony etc) These places are sooooooooo screwed up. They are devoid of any form of indian culture. they are sooooooooo trying to be 'moderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn' and westernised, they are a joke. Ek baar, my cousin took me to a 'party' there and oh my God. And by party, its like a family thing. I met this 19 yr old girl, and she's openly walking around with a fag in one hand, alcoholic drink in the other. And I'm like thinking, 'sharam karo', 'your mum or dad will see'. Kuch nahi ... mother walks by, also sutta in hand and its like, chalo ab maaro western accent 'oh kitty daaaaaaaarling, do u have a lighter?'
Screwed up. Zero morals.

Regards,

Ram Ram.

[sansanwalamit]

Bhai Ramandeep,
Seems like you are having a huge culture clash with such societies,
It’s just that you grew up in a different society and culture that doesn’t mean you can call the other culture degraded or shallow or without morals.
Going down on someone is definitely exploring one's sexuality, and some people do record themselves on camera for whatever reasons and we aren’t even sure they were even aware of it, if they were not I sincerely pity them, and if they did know then I guess they were just trying something new, or could be suffering from ADD. And please do not call a girl prostitute; because prostitutes work for money, she wasn’t doing so.
I do not find anything wrong in smoking or drinking in family parties, (this is my view I am not asking you to agree with it), that is because I grew up in such atmosphere, I feel it is better that your parents know your scene well enough,
I would also give you an example to explain you that how people have different morals, ethics and views,
Once in India I went to a Baraat which went to Haryana, there at evening they had made arrangements for the Baraatis, which included alcohol (a must) and to my surprise chicken, now being a vegetarian since birth, I always had a picture that we Hindu Jats are vegetarians and I also consider it ethically superior living to be vegetarian as when we eat non - veg some other living being pays the cost of your dinner by their lives,
Thus I was saying the same thing as you said as in"kuch to sharam karo being Hindu Jats you are eating non-veg, where are your ethics or your morals"
So I hope you understand that we all have different views, ethics and morals, and we can never call someone else's ethics, morals, or views small, petty, degraded or anything derogatory. And it is foolish to judge someone by the way they live on his or her own, until nobody else has to pay a cost for their living.

[chhoraharyanada]

Bhai Ramandeep,
Seems like you are having a huge culture clash with such societies,
It’s just that you grew up in a different society and culture that doesn’t mean you can call the other culture degraded or shallow or without morals.
Going down on someone is definitely exploring one's sexuality, and some people do record themselves on camera for whatever reasons and we aren’t even sure they were even aware of it, if they were not I sincerely pity them, and if they did know then I guess they were just trying something new, or could be suffering from ADD. And please do not call a girl prostitute; because prostitutes work for money, she wasn’t doing so.
I do not find anything wrong in smoking or drinking in family parties, (this is my view I am not asking you to agree with it), that is because I grew up in such atmosphere, I feel it is better that your parents know your scene well enough,
I would also give you an example to explain you that how people have different morals, ethics and views,
Once in India I went to a Baraat which went to Haryana, there at evening they had made arrangements for the Baraatis, which included alcohol (a must) and to my surprise chicken, now being a vegetarian since birth, I always had a picture that we Hindu Jats are vegetarians and I also consider it ethically superior living to be vegetarian as when we eat non - veg some other living being pays the cost of your dinner by their lives,
Thus I was saying the same thing as you said as in"kuch to sharam karo being Hindu Jats you are eating non-veg, where are your ethics or your morals"
So I hope you understand that we all have different views, ethics and morals, and we can never call someone else's ethics, morals, or views small, petty, degraded or anything derogatory. And it is foolish to judge someone by the way they live on his or her own, until nobody else has to pay a cost for their living.

Amit Bhai,

Perhaps you've got me all wrong. I was born in UK. Raised in India, and now I'm back living in the UK after doing uni here.

I'm not from the village or anything.

My point is this - that some segments of Delhi society are so hell-bent on being 'moderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn' and all westernised, that they've gone soooo far down the line that they've even overtaken the Goreh in the west.

Also - you can not compare eating non-veg to smoking/drinking.

Over here in the UK, there was this hit comedy show called 'Goodness Gracious Me' that did a nice satirical sketch on the 'Cooper syndrome'. This aptly applies to those in Vasant Vihar etc, (South Delhi). Basically, it takes the piss out of this Kapoor family who are so hell bent on fitting in with goras, Anjali Kapoor becomes Angela Cooper, Dinesh Kapoor becomes Dennis Cooper. They refer to each other as 'my ol fruity', 'my mucker' etc. Its really cringingly embarrassing. Same way I think these certain people of delhi behave.

Regards,

RAM RAM.

[sansanwalamit]

Bhai Ramandeep,
satires are satires, if you remember the British movie "Bhaji on the Beach" you would see the same kind of issues which are being discussed over here, I am sure that cooper thing on GGM must have been exaggerated, come on you know how British comedy is, sometimes they do give into bad taste, as a matter of fact any comedy.
Just as Apu on Simpsons isnt a typical Indian, similarly Coopers cant be taken as typical people from Vasant Vihar or say Delhi, please don’t think that being modern is being western, majority of Americans chose Bush as president, and I certainly don’t think that is modern, rather you must have noticed that how conservatives most of the Indians are in UK or elsewhere in industrial world.
Don’t think the "goras" or any western person for that matter is a criteria for being modern.
What you don’t notice here is just a simple fact that most of the communities you mentioned are affluent communities, and most of the affluent people like to be the frontrunners, be it even changes in society, and sometimes affluent people tend to think in a more bohemian way just to isolate themselves from the common masses, so why should they called be wrong or anything, I certainly do not think from my own experience that they are copying anyone, there are certainly more affluent people in west so you are thinking that they are copying them well I do not think so.
If you think west is all that advance then how come we still have religious rivalries, racism, rapes, sexism, and many more evils in this society.
The only thing which I would say is nice in west is the Independence that an individual has here, whereas in India one can only buy their Independence, and thus richer people can buy more of it and they certainly are Independent and thus they do what they wish, and we should respect everyone's Independence, until they themselves are paying for their actions.
BY paying for their action I mean, the same thing as when you eat non veg then an innocent animal has to pay the cost for your food by giving its own life, thus you aren’t the only cost bearer in that case. And this is the reason why I compared smoking/drinking with eating non veg, because when I smoke, or when I drink I am doing it at my own cost, when I eat an animal, poor animal is paying cost as well.

[mukeshkumar007]

Dear All

Q:- Who are the responsible ?
A:- Parents

because now a days in high societies parents are not paying engouhg attention on their children. In these high profile socities parents are also involved in many shy act. Naturally childrens are also follwoing their way.
kya bura hai and kya acha hai yeh sab children apne parents se hi sikte hai.
aaj parents ko apne aisho aram se hi fursat nahi to kid par keha se dhyan denge.

you should read this link also :-
http://www.bhaskar.com/defaults/editorial_article1.htm