Can we Jats do somthing similar ????

[gsvijay1]

I can also join.

[rkumar]

I think we should start working on what all we need to teach and some write- up on the material . Does anyone know about Hindi version of MS Windows and what all it can do ? How much it costs ?

RK^2

[mukeshkumar007]

Does anyone know about Hindi version of MS Windows and what all it can do ? How much it costs ?
RK^2

My one friend who has the Window XP's hindi Version. I will contact him very soon and try to get one another copy of the same version......
But I think English version of MS Windows would be better to teach them.

[ajayverma1973]

I can do my level best to develop our jat society, my services are always available for such type of services.

Ajay Verma

[mukeshkumar007]

Dear All,

why the new replies are not coming to this thread from your sides....I want to know that what are we doing to implement this work/project...

yaa phir yeh chaper bi aur threads ki thera closed hone ja reha hai ????

[anilsheokand]

Hi Every body
plz take Mukesh's suggestion into consideration
and try to implement this project as soon as possible.our little effort can give many people of our society the thing which is more valuable for them but costs nothing to us. so ladies and gentlemen plz come forward in this regard and try to do something good to uplift our community.

[dahiyarules]

Well I completely disagree with you all. Whats point teacing someone how to fly a space shuttle. If the person is working in a space related industry and his job is to fly shuttlemissions, teaching him howto fly a shuttle makes sense to me. But if you find a Sundu from Deehgal and try to teach him how to fly a space shuttle, it doesnt make any sense to me.

Being tech-savvy is really cool. But you need to have a use for the technology to justify the pains you took mastering it. I am of the opinion that theres no point educating people in large numbers when we cannot put in place an infrastructure, to afford their services. A large numbe rof IT professionals, engineers, doctors and nurses are immigrating from their socialist home countries to place where there is an infrastructure to hire their services.

Inception of such projects is a waste of tax payer money. Instead, we must encourage private ownership of resources, which would encourage the establishment of privately owned ifrastructure, setup by capitalists who have an incentive to have a well provided, and motivated work force for the sake of making above-ordinary gains. Once such infrastructure is there, there would arise the need for high potential labor. Those who like exploiting opportunities, would take the initiatie to arm themselves with high-tech skills. This is a justified reason for mastering technology according to me.

I am sorry if anyone got offended. he cold war is over. We do not need to create numbers to justify competition. I just look at things diffferently.

[rkumar]

Well I completely disagree with you all. Whats point teacing someone how to fly a space shuttle. If the person is working in a space related industry and his job is to fly shuttlemissions, teaching him howto fly a shuttle makes sense to me. But if you find a Sundu from Deehgal and try to teach him how to fly a space shuttle, it doesnt make any sense to me.

Being tech-savvy is really cool. But you need to have a use for the technology to justify the pains you took mastering it. I am of the opinion that theres no point educating people in large numbers when we cannot put in place an infrastructure, to afford their services. A large numbe rof IT professionals, engineers, doctors and nurses are immigrating from their socialist home countries to place where there is an infrastructure to hire their services.

Inception of such projects is a waste of tax payer money. Instead, we must encourage private ownership of resources, which would encourage the establishment of privately owned ifrastructure, setup by capitalists who have an incentive to have a well provided, and motivated work force for the sake of making above-ordinary gains. Once such infrastructure is there, there would arise the need for high potential labor. Those who like exploiting opportunities, would take the initiatie to arm themselves with high-tech skills. This is a justified reason for mastering technology according to me.

I am sorry if anyone got offended. he cold war is over. We do not need to create numbers to justify competition. I just look at things diffferently.

Sumit,

If one goes by your logic, there are almost 99% of human actions which have no basis to be carried out. Who told you that computer education is required only for a section of population and not for rural folks? I wonder, according to you what all our rural folks should be taught? I am keen to have your list of things for them before i go any further on my arguments. Your post reminds me old guys in villages some 30-40 yeras back who used to say that whats the use of educating girls if they have to only cook at home and raise kids..

RK^2

[neer3010]

i would love to work with u jat bhaiz. if u will plan to make some team n go for any such work. plz let me know. i will definatly try to tak out some time from my studies for this nobel coz

[spdeshwal]

Dear Sumeet,

You are right in saying that we can't teach a Sundu how to fly a space shuttle but we can certainly encourage him to dream about that.

We all know that one has to have a dream to a have a strong desire. That stong desire becomes turning point of all achivements.

We also khow that all pillars of jatland who are very successful people in their own chosen fields were born in villages. I should like to mention some of them..Dr Birbal ji, Dr Kalkhunde ji, Dr.Sujataji, Baljeet Singh,Ch. Dharampal S Dudeeji Ishwar lamba ji, Sheoranji,Col. Tavathiaji, Col. Jagmohanji, Shailander Hoodaji, Dev Dahiyaji...and the list goes on. Some one instilled in their young minds the desire to succeed. Kisi pitane, kisi mata ne, kisi guru ne inhne sapne dikhaye the.

Aur Aap kis tax payer ke paise ki baat kar rahe ho? Uss tax payer ki jisko uss Sundu ka pita Rs 5/ kg kharch kar Rs.6/kg genhu (wheat) bechta hai aur bhir kisi bade jamidar ya kisi bade Aadati se Rs. Jan/Feb ke mahine mai Rs8/ se Rs.10/ Kg ke bhav se kharidta hai. Here we are dicussing to spare some of our time and a small part of savings which may not be significant in our lives but can be for some of our less fortunate children in rural areas.

And these gratefull souls are trying to contribute something in return with same spirit while sowing the seeds of some of the great success stories involving our futur generations

I wish I could write more lest it should turn the direction of the thread.

Cheers!

[mkrana]

I agree to Sumit to some extent. but only to some extent :-)
Looks like we are planning to start work at ground level. That should always be appreciated but to acheive the optimized results, I think we need to weigh and plan the options first. Execution must be followed later on. We cann't jump into something just because someone did it somewhere. Different communities and societies have different grade resources, different problems, different issues ... the difference list goes on. On other side we definitely should plan something at grassroot level. Forums like this can only provide support till idea conceptualization, planning mode ... execution has to go in real time.
What can we do?
1. Make and agree on a general purpose mission statement which broadcast the optimism and give a broad direction to work for.
2. Identify the list of current issues that our community face in general. Lets pick first top 5 items from the list that we can gather after discussion. Identify sample target locations to start with.
3. Identify what resources we have at hand - both materialistic and human support is required, local groups already active for such missions can be contacted.
4. Identify a core team of management, senior, flexible, dedicated and open-minded members who can provide full time help to the cause can be suitable candidates for such core team.
5. Prioritize and Make a list of TODO target for each activity.
6. Make some kind of quantitative and measureable mile-stones to access the periodic performance.
7. Allocate resources on this TODO list, assign responsibilities.
8. Make periodic reviews. Alter targets based on achievements. Accomodate different views.
9. First achieve planned success in selected 5 areas. Publicise the achievements (Yes we do need PR department ;-)) so that people feel more confident reaching the group and helping it for future assignments.
10. Do post martem of both - success and failure - instances. Draw improvement plan based on the results.

SWOT (Strength Weakness Oppertunity and Threat ) analysis must be done on each stage to reach a realistic and not hypothetical solution.
Controlling politics and ego will be a real challenge. Volunteers must be rewarded for their efforts ( how - that varies on situation and must be planned. ).
Arranging resources is a challenge.
Can the undertaken activity itself create its own revenues after sometime (Something on the line of Amul etc) ? - If it needed to be fed continuously ... it may not sustain a long time :-(, investors expect returns ... continous investment in charity has always been a challenge. So self revenue generation must be planned.

I think I should stop here for sometime to get member's feedback and I am sure they have their views to supplement/complement/replace the ideas here.

[dahiyarules]

Yet again I was misinterpreted !

Read my words carefully. The only thing we must encourage right now is more private ownership of resources, and free enterprise. Everything else is secondary. Send people to school. Setup great institutions. But they come when required. And their requirement arises when we have an infrastructure to affod such highly trained labor force. Its all part of one big mechanism. You can make a car but cannot run it wihtout a motor and wheels. To get the cr running you need to put the motor and wheels on it. The system has to be complete. Just like they make the chassis first before putting together the car, private infrastructure is the backbone of a strong economy.

Believe me, if you want to teach sundu how to fly a space shuttle, i have no problem with it, as long as hes bearing the cost for it.

[lamba_amit_iitr]

dear rajendra uncleji,
your idea is quiet good
i also had a similar idea fo my future
but i think there may be the implementation broblem if we implement this idea in a single go to the whole of the jatlamd
i think we should start it from some central and backward part of the jatland
get them prone to different new technologies,there implementation for their benefit, get them aware of the importance of education and creating education friendly environment in villages .
awaring them about all these is a real challange and implementaion a bigger one.
we should start it from a small place and wait for the responces.
if we get a better feedback we should then implement it on a larger scale.


hope u will give some of ur attention to this.
thank u
with regards
namaste
amit kumar lamba

[spdeshwal]

Bhai Sumit,

Teri Car jack ke upar khadi hai , kitni e a race dele, Ek inch na sarke!

Isne jamin par utar fer dodegi.

I can feel your enthusiasm as astudent of financial management.

Private ownership of resources and free enterprises may be ideal subjects for your projects in a US university but won't be any takers for rural India where financial rewards may not be available. I mean who will invest in projets where the the provider is not benifited directly.
Rajender ji has asked to participate as part of the community on voluntary basis.
Please read the info. under the link Rajenderji has provided.
We need to do something on the line of Akshaya.

[pammusangwan]

buddy i like your knowledge about SDLC (software development life cycle) and project success but it is a bit diffrent from our RDLC (rural development lfe cycle) and our project is also a little bit diffrent from other projects (specially IT projects), so please try feel boots in your foot (no offence).

We need atleast a commitee first to discuss all the things you have told and then we have to think about the plans and goals on common and neutral basis of all commitee members.

I agree to your point that we can not jump straight away on execution but still there should be some commitee to decide on these things.

I agree to Sumit to some extent. but only to some extent :-)
Looks like we are planning to start work at ground level. That should always be appreciated but to acheive the optimized results, I think we need to weigh and plan the options first. Execution must be followed later on. We cann't jump into something just because someone did it somewhere. Different communities and societies have different grade resources, different problems, different issues ... the difference list goes on. .

[pammusangwan]

RK uncle ji i know that you had big plans in your mind for development of our rural peoples (and as I said in previous posts that I am always with you for carring on those plans), but still only educating or forcing them to get educated is not the only solution for development this is only one of those basis of development. FIRST in my view we need to review all those problems our rural peoples are facing and then look out for those solutions( I know you might `ve had wrinkles on your forehead as you had been thinking that we already reviewed this whole story so many times) but uncle ji what you have planned, I guarantee you that atlast you would be standing alone with couple of guys with you just thinkng what to do now ( I won`t mind any sort of comments but this is true) AS NO ONE WOULD LIKE TO GO FOR LONGER TERMS WITH THESE SORT OF PROGRAMS, so we need to form a commitee on some common grounds and all peoples in that commitee must have to dominate for the those goals and there should be some rules which every one associated in that commitee have to follow.
AND very first thing is that we or no one can do anything without coordinating or taking the system alongwith. We also need to let our rural peoples know their rights ( to be true even I don`t know all of `em) SO that they can atleast know what is wrong and what is right for them. AND they can stand against any thing going wrong with them.

HERE ARE FEW QUOTES FROM THE TRIBUNE::::::::

A visit to various schools in the districts of Panchkula, Ambala and Kurukshetra on different days revealed that it was party time for most teachers caught in the marriage frenzy. Most came in late to school and claimed it was "pointless" to come on time since they themselves, as also most children, were busy with work in the fields.

In Panchkula, Government High School, Baldwala, proved to be a classic example where all three teachers had not turned up even after 9 am though the school begins at 8 am on account of a reported marriage in the village. The students sat as mute spectators outside their locked classrooms, waiting for their teachers to arrive.

A teacher cycling down from this village to Bhood attributed his delay, also to a marriage in his village. At Thaththar, too, one teacher had the same marriage story to narrate.

In Ambala, however, it was a altogether different story. At the primary school in Mohra, two teachers were busy with office work. There was no information about the third one even at 8:45 am. The absence of the third teacher was attributed to the fact that she travelled down from Kurukshetra and, probably, the bus had broken down.

At 9 am in Dhanondi, the headmistress of the school was yet to show up. She came 10 minutes later and explained that she had some urgent work at home to attend to. In Mohri in Kurukshetra, two of the four teachers were present. On inquiring about the other two, the Headmistress, Ms kaushalya Devi, merely smiled and said, "They must be on their way. They are usually here before school begins."

In a number of other schools, the teachers quoted this logic for absence of the rest of the staff or conveniently dispatched them on duty to outside places though the attendance register stated otherwise. In yet another school, the headmaster's wife, also a teacher, was standing in for her husband, maintaining he had to rush off for some audit to nearby Barara.

Though the school in Hasanpur had the entire staff present in school, one teacher sat in the shade of the tree reading a newspaper, another her book on Osho while two teachers decided to take a nap in the staffroom which had a bed as well. The children here too were on their own.

In Teora, one teacher had gone to deliver files at the DEO office and the rest of them were stated to be "somewhere around". With teachers busy with their own engagements, a bright student had come to the rescue of the entire class and was teaching them English when The Tribune team visited the school.

I think we should start working on what all we need to teach and some write- up on the material . Does anyone know about Hindi version of MS Windows and what all it can do ? How much it costs ?

RK^2

[pammusangwan]

SUMIT bhai saab aap ki baat to maney manii K bilkul thik hai but still you are getting a lill bit harsh on all this.
Bhai saab can you tell me one thing that if STILL we want to teach that SUNDU from Deehgal how to fly a space shuttle THEN HOW CAN WE DO THAT?? ( be positive to your and our approach please)

Look I know that you can not teach straight away that SUNDU how to fly a Sp.Shuttle but still in doing so we can find atleast one SUNDU from ten SUNDU`s who can learn how to fly it and still what I found is that, doesn`t matter what the rural peoles are going to learn from COMPUTERS but atleast in doing so we can approach those people`s closely and help them out in solving their other problems.
I know doing these kinda things are very big TO DO practically but in my view we must have to start this from some where if not from this plan of RK`s uncle then from some other plans and we need support of peoples like you atleast who knows that we can not teach SUNDU (just kiddin), but seriously criticising something is the best exercise to make the point criticised more strong and atleast you got the ability to make anything weak in to strong. SO WHY DON`T YOU COME FORWARD WITH US AND DEDICATE YOURSELF FOR THIS MISSION. WE`ll very soon make a commitee and I would adore to see you a part of it.

CHEERS

But if you find a Sundu from Deehgal and try to teach him how to fly a space shuttle, it doesnt make any sense to me.

[vinodks]

Rajendraji,
This is very nice idea and include me in the team. I think its very much do-able in rural jatland and in fact this kind of efforts are already underway at some places. I would say lets first spend some time in making strategies and plans and best ways of mobilizing our efforts, and if somebody has done similar work already and what model did he/she use? As it happens generally, people show enthu for something novel but it dies down with lack of follow-up. To discuss minor detailed issues we can have yahoogroup of all volunteers for this effort where-at we need to sketch precise plans for what we want to achieve because everybody would agree with generality but we need to get into specifics when its come to putting real efforts.
People in rural area are realising importance of being educated specially being e-educated but this eagerness for progress should be holistic e.g. everybody shouldn't plunge randomly into something by looking at each other thinking it will make them ultra-rich:-))

vinod

Dear Mukesh,

Let us make a team of 10-20 persons who can spare time for this project. We can spare weekends. I will organise the Laptops and transport. We can launch the project early next year when I move back to India for good. Till that time let us work out the modealities of implementing it on ground. We need to get some instruction materila printed in hindi/ english as well. May be some one of you can get in touch with Kerala group and find out their approach to it..

RK^2

[dahiyarules]

Well go on. Lets see how many of you actually go out to set up a project teaching people how to surf the net and send emails. When you do it, I will believe it.

I am not a part of any of this nonsense.

If it materializes, I will give in and appreciate your courage.

[mkrana]

Well what are we advocating here ... teaching computers to people OR using that as a method to reach mass OR using as a tool to help improve life in rural areas?

1. If it is limited to a computer caching assignment - Best of luck and let me know if you get something more useful later. I want to help but should be convinced first that this will help someone. Anyone comming to learn computer after taking out time from his/her daily routine will link that to his/her capability to help make living based on that? No doubt that internet connectivity/exposure is essential. But I think it can be done by one/two persons from the local group and rest should focus on their main tasks.

2. If it is a mean to reach people - What we want to do after reaching - should be made clear first. That will help anyone approaching to understand the things in 'whole'.
3. I think it should be used as a tool and internet education is not the priority of the rural population ... they require improvement in life and education first. If they can get a better rates for their goods and can cut the middle-man baniyas from the chain. They will be able to get better deals. Computer no doubt can be a better tool ... but one/two persons trained in the local group is what they require.
Focus should be on 'employment generation' or 'developing skills to help them make better living'.
For 2&3 count me in on part time basis.

Again continous investment is a challenge ... and units/activities MUST be self dependent over a limited period of time. Otherwise activity is sure to die its natural death ... If it can be planned ... then we can see some new success story on the wall.

I remember some quote vaguely - where a begger replied - "Don't give me 1 dollar ... teach me how to make that one dollar." :-)

Sorry I don;t consider SDLC different from RDLC as one friend pointed out - why - SDLC was itself based on observations from non-software industry data. In software it started fitting very-well, but in overall all it stresses on 3 points - Plan-Execute-Feedback & Improvement. I think it holds good for any activity we undertake.
SWOT analysis is done by lot of non-software fields - specially Armed-forces.

I request anyone to post the success stories in rural areas - Amul comes to my mind anything else? I'm sure there must be so-many :-)

Sumit is a bit more harsh, but underlying he got a different opinion to consider for :-)