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Namaste, Ashok ji and Burdak sir! User:Dahiya1208 has moved a couple of pages, and I request you to look into that: https://www.jatland.com/home/Special:Log/move

Kindly fix this! I do not want to do that myself, because I do not want to risk loosing any content. You understand this better than me, so I request you to fix this. Later on, when I would get a considerable amount of free time, I will look into his edits to separate the good from the bad (too many edits). With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:15, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Kindly also look into the "Moves" by User:Vikramsiwach I think that while trying to fix his moves, I may have also made a mistake. What should be the title of the page Sohanjani Jattan. Ashok ji, kindly fix this, please! With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, kindly fix the related re-directs also. They may have gotten disrupted. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

In the weekend, I will look into the edits made by User:Dahiya1208, and separate the good from the bad. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 18:44, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Include these countries in Introduction please

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The first line of the main introduction section says that Jats are found in India and Pakistan . Well in Iran, Afghanistan , Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Nepal also have "Jats" as the ethnic group. The plain region of Nepal which is close to the districts of Uttar Pradesh like Pilibhit has few Jat population. As for Iran, Afghanistan , Uzbekistan, Tajikistan goes I'm attaching links where it shows Jats are in minority. So please update the information .

Solankivich (talk) 23:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)Solankivich

Namaste, Solanki Ji. First of all, thank you for your edits to the existing Wiki articles, and for creating several new articles on Wiki.

Well, what you are asking is not feasible to do, at least not in the very direct way, how you are asking to add the content suggested by you to the introduction on the main article on Jats. However, it may be added to some relevant articles on Wiki. Senior editors are requested to kindly have a look at the content (and sources) being suggested by Solanki Ji, and may decide to add it wherever feasible.

Solanki Ji, I would like to bring to your attention that, generally, YouTube videos are not cited as references on encyclopedias.

Advice: Even while choosing books, journals, etc. as sources, a good user should be cautious about the quality of the source that is being chosen for citation to add content on Wiki. This is done to maintain the quality of content on the encyclopedia. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 10:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Solanki Ji, you may want to read: Jats#Jat People Genetics and Jats#DNA study on Y-STR Haplogroup Diversity in the Jat Population. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 11:02, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
So let me ask you one thing if the official page of DD news, BBC or UN upload some video from their channel on youtube, is it a reliable source or not ? Minority Rights is an international organization and its data is also used by lots of international organization like United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Choice is yours I was just suggesting. Thank you Regards Solankivich (talk)
Solanki Ji, kindly note that I have not questioned your sources. You may see that, actually, I have written above, "Senior editors are requested to kindly have a look at the content (and sources) being suggested by Solanki Ji, and may decide to add it wherever feasible." What I wrote above was only an advice to help you become an even better contributor.

In answer to your question, I would say that if anything is broadcasted at the official YouTube channel of a media outlet, it is, almost always, published in text also by them on their official websites. And, the website-links of those news articles from their websites can definitely be considered to be used as a source to add contents on the Wiki articles.

However, this is not the reason for my above stated opinion on your suggestion of adding the suggested content on the main article on Jats. What you are asking is simply not feasible to add to the introduction! With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:41, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Can the para suggested to be added on Jat People page be drafted here and where is it to be added be pointed out? Laxman Burdak (talk) 04:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Actually I would like to inform that, Solanki shahab had added great things, also a mention of area of pilibhit, I know there lives the Jats of Tewatia Clan, I even having some of thier contactsChReyanshSingh (talk) 12:34, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Phalaswal and Faraswal

Is Phalaswal and Faraswal same gotra ? Solankivich (talk) 03:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Solankivich

There are two separate pages for these but there is need to review these pages. Laxman Burdak (talk) 16:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Articles to be Edited

Namaste, dear ones! The article Khandoi needs to be edited by Burdak sir or Deswal sir. I would request that the editor goes through the revision history of the article before starting to edit. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:07, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, articles: Shah Bazgarhi, Lalpura-Pachar, Gadli Jattan, Nagli Mehnaj, and Sadullapur Lodhi. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 10:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I have edited Khandoi. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I have edited Shah Bazgarhi. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I have edited Lalpura-Pachar. Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I have edited Gadli Jattan. Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I have edited Nagli Mehnaj.Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Sadullapur Lodi page already exists. I have made a redirect.
Gadli Fatehabad village page also exists. It has to be found if Gadli Jattan is the same village or different. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 12:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Namaste, dear ones! Kindly edit this article also: Chak CH.RUPA RAM WALA. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 15:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
And, Saran#Villages in Hanumangarh district and Saran#Villages in Sri Ganganagar district. There are abbreviations as the names of villages, which needs a look from seniors. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 15:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Another one: Chak CH.RUPA RAM WALA , Jyodi 15/16 LLG. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 18:24, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
And, Amarpur Dhana. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 12:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Avoid using HTML tags?

html tags are not ideal in a wiki. might be helpful to avoid using them. see mediawiki page on this for more info on equivalent wikimarkup.

Page errors

Page K of this book is giving errors: A_glossary_of_the_Tribes_and_Castes_of_the_Punjab_and_North-West_Frontier_Province_By_H.A._Rose_Vol_II/K

unclear why. may need to be recreated.


This page could not be uploaded long back while upgrading the version. It is very long page and will take lot of time. We will try to recreate. Laxman Burdak (talk) 03:52, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Page deleted. was causing errors in backend. System (talk) 06:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned Pages

Please fix orphaned pages - not linked anywhere Special:LonelyPages

Alka Lamba is not a jat

Alka Lamba is not a Jat, please remove her page. In case you are wondering that she must be a Sikh Jatt well no, she is a Punjabi Arora.

Politics of Jats in Delhi state

Long pages are difficult to edit and save. Delhi page has become too long. As such a new page by the title Politics of Jats in Delhi state has been created. All entries be made in this new page and not the Delhi page. Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 04:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Village naming convention

एक ही नाम के jatland पर कई गाँव हो सकते हैं. ऐसी स्थिति में गाँवों के नाम किस तरह रखा जावे इसके लिए इस पेज पर दिशा निर्देश हैं-- Village naming convention. जब कोई नए गाँव का पेज बनाना हो तो पहले विकि में सर्च कर लो कि वह गाँव पहले से है तो नहीं. यदि नहीं है तब ही नए नाम से पेज बनावें. उदाहरण के लिए आज मेरे ध्यान में आया कि Kirari नाम का एक एतिहासिक गाँव का पेज था जो मेरे द्वारा बनाया गया था और जो गुप्तकालीन अभिलेख के लिए उल्लेखनीय है, Solankivich जी ने इस पेज की सारी जानकारी डिलीट कर Kirari Suleman Nagar की जानकारी डालदी जबकि Kirari Suleman Nagar पहले से ही अलग से बना हुआ है. यह अनजाने में हो जाता है पर यदि देखा नहीं जाता तो बहुत महत्वपूर्ण अभिलेख विलुप्त हो गया होता. पेज को रिवर्ट करने में काफी समय लगा. यह जरूरी है कि किसी एडिटर की जानकारी आप डिलीट कर रहे हो तो पहले उससे चर्चा कर लो. जब आप कोई एतिहासिक जानकारी का पेज बना रहे हो तो आप अपना नाम लेखक में जरूर डाल दो. यह उस सूचना की विश्वसनीयता बढ़ता है. जिस पेज पर कोई महत्वपूर्ण पुरानी एतिहासिक जानकारी है उसको हमेशा Protect कर दें. सुझाव हमेशा इस साईट के सुधार के लिए ही दिये जाते हैं किसी व्यक्तिगत कारण से नहीं. Laxman Burdak (talk) 05:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


Sorry for the inconvenience, I did it by mistake sir. I will pay more attention next time. Thank you for the advice and reverting it. User:Solankivich (talk)

John Paul Tewatia

Informing User:Dndeswal ji User:Lrburdak ji, User:HardeepMoar ji Respected Admins, on pages like Tevatia, Janauli, Gulaothi, Janoothar, Bhatona and many more. It is mentioned that some guy named John Paul Tewatia founded Janauli Village around 2000 years ago.

  • So my questions is
  • a) Was he "John Paul Tewatiya" or "Jan Pal" Tewatiya (just guessing) ? If not "John Paul" then it can be some kind of a minor mistake.
  • b) According to the information which posted on 2005 that was 15 years ago (as of May 2020). So 2000 + 15 + 25 (guessing the age of mysterious John Paul Tewatia in which he may have founded Janauli Village). So John Paul Tewatia was born roughly around 2040 BC, that makes our John Paul Twatiya ji older than.
    • 1)Jesus Christ, born 4 BC - Died 30 AD (36 years after John Paul Tewatia was born) - Founder of Christianity.
    • 2)John the Baptist born 1 BC - Died 28 AD (mostly born after John Paul Tewatia was born) after whom the name John came and
    • 3)Paul the Apostle born 5 AD - Died 64 AD ( 45 year after John Paul Tewatia was born) after whom the name Paul came
    • 4) The first Pope Saint Peter sent the first Christian Missionary to India was Thomas the Apostle in year 54 AD (94 year after John Paul Tewatiawas born)
  • Please change it because according to the facts the information about John Paul Tewatia is inaccurate.
  • There are many misinformation on this website, specially about people in history (making them Jats without any proof)
  • regards

Solankivich (talk) 06:14, 23 May 2020 (UTC)Solankivich

Solankivich Ji, thank you for raising this question. Seniors are requested to look into the content of pages suggested by Solanki Ji. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 12:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
We have to be very specific about changes to be made with evidences and references. We can not change because it does not suit us. Some member of community has added and he may have some evidences. So we have to find out who had added a particular content which a member wants to change and then discuss with him. This is fundamental principal of wiki edits. Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 04:23, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Use of word Tribe

The use of tribe word for Indian communities was started by British historians during British Rule in India. Prior to this No such word existed in Indian history or any epic. The words used were Gotra, Kula, Vansha etc. The English translation of these words is Clan. It is therefore proposed to replace word tribe with Clan in articles on Jatland. Mind it, it is not to be changed in the books on Jatland as we can not change the content of the book! Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 04:14, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Lrburdak Ji, noted. With respect and best regards, HardeepMoar (talk) 03:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Policy about user page of dead members

The information on user pages are added by members themselves. Our respected member Dr Raj Pal Singh Janghu died on 14.03.2019. We salute him and pay respect for his contribution. We have to decide what changes to do on his user page: User:DrRajpalSingh. Members may give suggestion. Laxman Burdak (talk) 07:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

नमस्ते Lrburdak जी। मेरे विचार में हमें उनके यूजर पेज पर केवल आवश्यक बदलाव ही करने चाहिए। मैं सलाह देना चाहूंगा की हमें उनके यूजर पेज पर अलग से एक नया Eulogy सेक्शन बना देना चाहिए जिसमें यूजर उनके साथ हुई बातचीत और मुलाकातों के अनुभवों को तथा उनके द्वारा इतिहास पर किये गए शोध के बारे में बारें में कुछ शब्द कह सकें। आप शुरुआत करें, मैं भी कुछ शब्द अवश्य लिखूंगा। With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 07:57, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Redirect talk pages to Chaupal

नमस्ते! मैं सलाह देना चाहूंगा की हम सभी महत्वपूर्ण पृष्ठों के टॉक पेज चौपाल पृष्ठ पर रिडाइरेक्ट करें। ऐसा करने से विकी एडिटिंग में कम अनुभवी पर इतिहास की बेहतर जानकारी रखने वाले यूजर बेहतर ढंग से अपने सुझाव रख सकेंगे। ऐसा करने के लिए हमें प्रत्येक महत्वपूर्ण टॉक पेज पर केवल #REDIRECT[[Jatland Wiki:Chaupal]] कॉपी करना है। टॉक पेज के चौपाल पृष्ठ पर रिडाइरेक्ट होने के कारण यूजर जैसे ही डिस्कशन पर क्लिक करेंगे, चौपाल पृष्ठ पर आ जायेंगे। सदस्यों से निवेदन है की कृप्या इस सलाह पर अपने विचार रखें। With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 07:28, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

HardeepMoar जी, अच्छा प्रस्ताव है। हम सबसे अधिक देखे जाने वाले पन्नों के talk pages को चौपाल पर redirect कर सकते हैं। --Ashok (Talk) 18:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

New Great and useful template!

मैं आप सभी साथियों को बताना, चाहूंगा हूं कि मैंने एक नया टेम्पलेट बनाया है, अब आप सब उसे देखकर बताओ की कोई कमी तो नहीं रह गई??(टेम्पलेट)
तो अब इसका प्रयोग करने में आप सभी को मेरा सहयोग करना होगा, जितने भी राजे/महाराजे अथवा योद्धा या वीरांगनाएं हैं, हम उनके सम्मान में इतना तो कर ही सकते हैं, आप सभी से विनती है, की हर योद्धा के पेज पर इस टेम्पलेट का प्रयोग(एडिटिंग द्वारा) करें, मैं भी अपनी ओर से भरपूर प्रयत्न कर रहा हूं।

इसके अतिरिक्त, मैंने ऐसे पेजों से संबंधित एक कैटेगरी का भी गठन किया है यहां देखें, जितने भी पेज आप जोड़ते चलें उनको इस कैटेगरी से भी साथ ही जोड़तें चलें, बड़ा उपकार होगा।
आशा यही है कि आप सब, इस बात को गंभीरता से लेते हुए, मेरे द्वारा किए गए इस छोटे से प्रयत्न को साकार करने में मेरा पूरा सहयोग करेंगे, धन्यवाद्।

नोट रहे, हमें सभी योद्धाओं को इस टेम्पलेट से जोड़ना है। ChReyanshSingh (talk) 21:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


I have seen that many wiki-pages were having references in subscripted by the unicode <sup></sup> like the book, "Jat Veeron Ka Itihas" by D S Ahlawat. So, the pages like it I have tried to create a template namely, Template:mref where M stands for 'Middle' and ref is obviously our 'reference(s)', i.e. Middle reference(s) or references in middle of a page, as the followed template allows you to create referencive box within a section by the unicode of <ref></ref> on every section, It's just a Sectional Referensive Box.
Like if you are Wikifying some book and it's page 1 having 2 references, (see page 1 below.)
Create section named Page 1 (by typing == Page 1 ==)
add content from next line to it and made references on each page as per it.

Page 1

content of the page[1], from the next line.[2] and at the end of the page, just type "{{mref}}" and after this typing you get sectional ref. box (see below!)

  1. ref 1 of page 1
  2. ref 2 of page 1

Page 2

content of the page[1], from the next lines.[2]

now just type "{{mref}}"

  1. ref 1 of page 2
  2. ref 2 of page 2


As you have seen, how usefully this template creates a 'Sectional reference box' between the sections.


To use this Template you have to type {{mref}} at the end of the section of that Wikipage, it will put all your references of that particular section at it's end, Hopefully Useful.
For more- see, Template:mref. Ch.Reyansh Singh (talk) 03:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Let us try it with some new book to be uploaded in near future! Laxman Burdak (talk) 05:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The first achievements made by a Jat in every field in the modern world.

Dear Moderators,

Kindly add this section to:- The work done or achieved by any Jat for the first time.

For example: First Everest Summit by jat First 7 summits by jat First Jat to travel around the world. etc..

Hope, you all understood. What I mean to say?!?

नया पेज बनाना

कृपया नया पेज एक या दो शब्द के आधार पर पेज नहीं बनाया जावे. जैसे Barahpula. जब पर्याप्त विषय वस्तु होती है तभी नया पेज बनाना चाहिए. Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Dates should equivalent important.

The topic is crucial but it's essential as well to be discussed,
When we (or any other member) use any phrase regarding a person or any battle/war, and just typed the name; it can be quite confusing to the reader.
As a team it's our duty to provide information to the reader that is accurate and not the confusing one. The reason behind writing this is the article page named "Ram Dal."
For example if I write the name as,

  • (on one side) Rath Pal Henga defeated Abd al-Ullah ibn Samura of Umayyad Caliphate of Arabs.
  • (on other side) Rath Pal Henga (690-725 CE) defeated the Umayyad Caliphate Abd al-Ullah ibn Samura of Arabs in 697-698 CE.

And about battle as,

  • (on one side) Sassanian emperor Peroz I was defeated and killed by Hephthal Jats.
  • (on other side) Sassanian monarch Peroz I (459-484 CE) was defeated and killed by the Hephthal Jats in 484 CE under their King Akhshunwar (478-488 CE).

One can clearly see that which one is preferable while reading, and as official website (contributors) of Jats, we should provide information that is more adorable, it's our duty to make the content more adorable. Please see the page Ram Dal and you will definitely understand the importance of mentioning the dates. Regards.

Ch. Reyansh Singh{Talk}