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Jatland Site Redesign: Wiki !!!

Nitin Dahiya, November 1st, 2005, 03:07 AM - Hi ! At the 5th aniversary of Jatland, we have redone the entire (static) site as a Wiki!! The wiki effort has been led by Mr Laxman Burdak. Many thanks to him!!! A wiki allows for the site content to be edited by any member, though it supports many features for version control and moderators can go back and restore older versions easily. Please login to the Wiki!! using your Members' Area username and password. Warm Regards and Happy Diwali, ndahiya

V Sangwan November 1st, 2005, 05:23 AM - Thats awesome! Thanks Nitin bhai and Laxmanji.
Dev Dahiya, November 1st, 2005, 06:30 AM - Wonderful Gesture. Thanx dear Nitin and Mr Burdak. Congratulations on completion of Five years for the site. Keep it up! Happy Deewali to all.

Shorting

Thanks satyavrat for shorting. Laxman Burdak 12:17, 5 March 2006 (EST)

Trial testing

Sir.. Recd the message... >>>> Hi Nitin, I wanted to test if you receive a message. Please reply message on my talk page. Lrburdak 23:02, 22 March 2006 (EST) <<<<

alphabetically shorting rajasthani language

sir, i've alphabetically shorted the list rajasthani language A-D on roman script i.e, AA first then AB. shall i continue doing the same on entire list? or should i proceed shorting it on devanagari script i.e first then . I import it in Excel then then short it. and it can short on both scripts. --satyavrat 13:06, 1 April 2006 (EST)

Tools needed

Dear Nitin, We need urgent tools to edit wiki: :[[Category:]], #REDIRECT[[]], , |, Ā, ā, Ē, ē, Ī, ī, Ō, ō, Ū, ū, Lrburdak 13:28, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Edit toolbar

Sir, Have added a edit toolbar to the wiki. You can edit it by editing the page MediaWiki:Edittools. The 'charinsert' tag is required to insert the characters.... You might also like to add devnagri alphabet to this....Ndahiya 23:39, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

Cite (ref/references tags)

have installed this add-on as well. Ndahiya 23:52, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

hindi toolbar

sir, have also added some hindi characters in the edit bar att eh bottom.. you might like to edit/alter/reorder those! Ndahiya 12:55, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

file upload

File upload tool not working. Lrburdak

file upload should work now.... Ndahiya

Re: Hello

I have read many of your posts. Your article about Jats in Indonesia is authoritative. You may want to write a scholarly article about it. As I researched the Indonesian Jats, I recently discovered that many Jat Gotras are used as a last name in Madagascar. It seems very interesting. Thanks, You may like to add more input to the facts from there so that we can expand it. Regards, saranrabar

Thanks rabarji, You may like to add more input to the facts from there so that we can expand it.Regards,Laxman Burdak, October 15th, 2006, 02:43 AM

file upload

try now Ndahiya 21:31, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

Revision of page Jat Leaders/ Bhupinder Singh Hooda

The page relating to Ch. Bhupinder Singh Hooda has been expanded by me today, using the official bio data available on the following web page of government of Haryana : http://haryana.gov.in/government/cmbio.htm.

A photograph has also been added to the page. - Dayanand Deswal

Sunita Godara

Should we include Sunita Godara's name in the list?Is not it controversial one?Satyakarwasra 08:21, 14 November 2006 (EST)

Language section expansion....

sir, it makes sense.. go ahead and make the change... nitin

think we should clear the talk pages once a topic is discussed and settled.

Chetan Ram Godara

Please see the article Chetan Ram Godara. I think, it is relevant to add it in Reformers section. Satyakarwasra 02:51, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Categorization

Please also add a separate category in Famous Jat People section for jat kids to incorporate special talent in various fields like Science, Cinema, Art etc. Satyakarwasra 08:10, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Anup Gahlaut

Burdak ji,

Since you so knowledgable can you say if Anup Gahlaut (MVC) is a jat? Also is col rajkumar singh of badaut a jat?

nehra

Indic characters ok now?

sir hope the indic characters are showing ok now? Ndahiya 09:05, 20 January 2007 (EST)

can you give me a sample page where they are not showing for you ??? because i think, i can see them on my machine... Ndahiya 11:37, 20 January 2007 (EST)


yes, i can see the characters without any squares... lets use the forum PMs to discuss.. Ndahiya 12:07, 20 January 2007 (EST)


Hellow Burdak ji, I have added some text on the following page:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Arya_Samaj

Most part of added text is in Hindi. You may suitably add some lines in English as the subject "Jats and Arya Samaj" seems to be an interesting one.

Dndeswal 13:01, 30 January 2007 (EST)

indic characters...

sir, you appear to have figured out the browser fix... you can use IE 7 or mozilla, and that works well... the prob is with the encoding of the pages, and might not be fixed by importing the template... its a more complicated fix coz of existing data probs... please hold off inserting indic characters on more pages (besides the raj lang page) for a week or so till we try and find a fix ? else we can just hope everyone upgrades the browsers to latest versions... Ndahiya 12:52, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Page names, section heads in hindi ?

sir, we need to restrict the ability to add page names in hindi, coz it can cause probs with indexing and also with referencing the pages... re section heads i am more neutral...

Ndahiya 12:52, 2 March 2007 (EST)

page names in hindi

On page names in hindi: i meant that we should only allow page titles to be in roman script for search engine indexing and other issues..

on the contributors: it might be easier to just put the contributor info at the bottom of every page? we can put them on the contributors page as well, but then someone will have to decide who all to put in that list (it should not be publically editable).. if you want to do that, I'm fine with it...

Ndahiya 07:34, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Ch. Tarif Singh

Hello Burdakji

Hope you are well. I'm writing in context of a correction in Ch. Tarif Singh's details. He is not in Janata Dal anymore. Despiet being from a zamindar family himself, he became an ardent follower of Ch. Charan Singh early in life in school and till date following his ideals. After Ch. Charan Singh, he joined Congress along with Ajit Singh and refused to be a constant party changer when Ajit Singh left Congress. He was also offered cabinet ministership twice by VP Singh government, the decisions which were overridden by Ch. Devi Lal because of the Dangi controversy. In Mr. Chandrashekhar's government, Ch. Devi Lal then himself offered Ch. Tarif Singh ministership along with other incentives, which he refused being an honest and strict adherent of principles. Just like Ch. Charan Singh, due to his lack of tact and personal ambition and presence of other Jat leaders in congress, he has not been given a chance to serve his constituency again in Congress. He is now a member of All India Parliamentary Committee of Congress and an active social leader.

Priti

thanks Burdakji, really appreciate your work on wiki...

Priti 13:03, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

regarding to journal or article

Respected Boss, i bajrang bhakar, PhD scholar Policy research from JNU and Fellow in IIFT Delhi . i wann to contribute article on enterprenurship and political backdrop in jats . is it placed as general user page on wiki site?

thank you with best regards Bhakar

Want to know source

Hello Burdak Sir,

I really appreciate the time and efforts you have put in for writing and editing so many articles in wikipedia. As a general rule, if it is an article about Jats, or about some aspect of Shekhawati, there would be some signature of your contribution to the article.

I am writing to you, specifically, about article on 'Religion' of Jat people. In the article you have claimed about Buddhist past of Jats, the Jats not following superstitious Brahminical dictates and such. I wanted to know the basis for your assertions; though I am sure you are right about that. About Buddhism in particular, is it because most of Indians were Buddhists at some point of time before Adishankara influenced Brahminical philosophy converted them? Since Jats were Indians as well and therefore they had to be Buddhist too? Is this the logic? Or is there some other source?

It would be really nice if there were some sources mentioned with articles. I want to know more.

Maneesh Mahlawat

मनीष महलावत्

Hi Mahlawat, You have put a good question. The logic as you give is one of the reasons. Not much has been discussed about Jats and Buddhism so we need to search it more. Jats have been the first to adopt religions be it Buddhism, Jainism, Islam, Sikhism or Hinduism. It is obvious when all were Buddhist Jats were also Buddhist. We are considering Kushans, Mauryanas as Jats. Jat historians have provided references for these facts. That proves Jats had spread the Buddhism to their best efforts. I will put authentic references when it comes to me. Thanks, --Lrburdak 01:43, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Mahendra Singh

Excuse me sir!! I have read in wiki that "There is no marital relationships can be establish among Kadwa, Kadwasara and Dahiya's". Anything special behind that sir? Am curious about this information sir, i will be greatfull to you!!1 Mahendra Singh, March 27th, 2007, 01:59 PM

end

Dear Mr. Burdak. Greetings from Stephenville, TX, USA.

Hope you are doing well. I am Mahendra Dia, a graduate student, from Stephenville, Texas, USA. I am a native of Ajmer, Rajasthan, India. Thank you very much for upgrading the information of my grandfather - Mishri Lal Dia. As per your suggestions I will send you complete information about my grandpaa's Date of Birth, Place of Birth, Academic background, Family background, foreign visits etc.,

Would you mind if let me know, where do you want me to send his complete information. I mean do you have any personal email address or do u prefer me to send on Jatland. Do you know my grandfather personally and/or professionally ???

Please do the needful.

Thank you and looking forward your reply.

Sincerely

Mahendra Dia, Graduate Research Assistant,

Department of AAHRM [Soil Science], Tarleton State University, Stephenville, TX 76402. U.S.A.


Cell. 254.592.7348 Lab. 254.968.1911 Email mahendra.dia@gmail.com


(Part of the Texas A & M University Sys)

Re:Mahendra Dia

Thanks for your reply. I don't know Mishri Lal Dia ji personally but being a Wilki Editor I update info about All Jats who have contributed to the society. You can post info here or on the page of Mishri Lal Dia . --Lrburdak 23:28, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Thank you

Dear Mr. Burdak. Good Morning. Thank you very much for your prompt reply. As per your suggestion I will upgarde the information of Mishri Lal Dia on his page.

I appreciate your efforts for upgrading the information.

Sincerely Mahendra Dia

Dular in jhunjhunu

Dear burdak ji


Jai ram ji ki - Dular gotra in jhunjhunu (jeet ki dhani,Bhurasar) also

Phir milange ram ram sa

Vedic Literature on Jatland Wiki

Hellow Burdak ji,

I notice that Jatland Wiki's main page http://www.jatland.com/home/Main_Page is uneditable. I think it would be a good idea to put some short books by Swami Dayanand on the website. Would it be possible to add one more title below "Arya Samaj"? The new title could be "Vedic and Arya Samaj Literature" or a similar one. My intention is to put entire texts of some books by Swami Dayanand - the text will be in Hindi. Some of his books are short (लघु ग्रन्थ) such as गोकरुणानिधि, आर्योद्देश्यरत्‍नमाला, व्यवहारभानु, संस्कारविधि etc. Actually, 'Gokarunanidhi' is available on the website of Arya Samaj Jamnagar but it is a scanned version - they have also put up a scanned version of Satyarthprakash on their website. If we do a similar exercise, I hope it is not the violation of any copyright.

While typing a voluminous book like Satyarthprakash is time-consuming, the short ones mentioned above could be typed and put on Jatland Wiki. If a suitable slot at main page itself (or wherever you feel fit) is created, I can accomplish this task in a short time.

Dndeswal 04:23, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Thanks Deshwalji for nice suggestion about books from Vedic and Arya Samaj literature. See what you want is in Books on Jat History. --Lrburdak 05:34, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
Hellow Buurdak ji, I have added text to page http://www.jatland.com/home/Arya_Samaj_Literature. You may do necessary formatting, if needed. I feel the first 3-4 lines should have a little bigger font and be in the centre of the page. Shall add text of Karunanidhi later. But it is OK that both these 'Laghu-granths' of Swami Dayanand are contained on a single page like this? Dndeswal 08:22, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Just an idea Sir. Dont you feel that once the page like आर्योद्देश्यरत्‍नमाला is posted, it should be uneditable i.e. for a book of literature, there is hardly anything to be edited by any other member except authorised editor (in this case yourself). If you feel fit, this page should be made uneditable. I have checked every 'matra' and dot etc. in Hindi text and it is a ditto copy of the original book. Once गोकरुणानिधि is posted by me, that also may be made uneditable. Please do as you deem fit. Dndeswal 01:15, 28 August 2007 (EDT)


Hellow Burdak ji - Today I have finished putting text for Gokarunanidhi and Aryoddeshyaratanmala. Both these pages are now complete and I do not see any scope for editing as the text has been typed from the original book, as-it-is. You may consider making both these pages uneditable. Regards. Dndeswal 07:48, 16 September 2007 (EDT)


Some very famous villages are missing from list !

Hello,

I was going through the list of Jat-Villages in Bulandshahr District of Uttar Pradesh and found that very famous and big Jat Villages like Ahamdanagar, Unchaagaon, Baroda, Jatpura, Salempur and many more were missing. Please suggest how i can help, as i belong to this district.

Gaurhav H Atri.

Tips to edit

Hi Virhammir ji,

You can add villages by clicking Jat Villages link and then edit option at the top of this page. Add names as already given and putt squire brackets.After saving of the page name will appear in red. By clicking on that page name it will open and add info of the village. Hope that will do. Lrburdak 07:59, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

nosva village for jats

hi mr. burdak it was very nice to hear from you. yes sir Nosva is a jat dominating village with Dhangar surname. it is under bhiwani district of haryana. located next to well known Bahu jholri village. on the other side it is sharing its boundary with Baghot village, very famous village in haryana for its Shiv temple. Nosve is quit small village with just a primary school and very rare bus service. hope it can help you. would like to hear from you for any further discussion. regards Dharmender Dhankhar

spelling correct

respected sir in the gotra list kherti is written that is not correct .right spelling is khatri.many villages are in rohtak like that ismaila(smayl) GHIZI, KULASI, near sampla ,a town in rohtak,Narela is in delhi,laura and khatri are same gotra .

devinder singh

Thanks, I have corrected. User:lrburdak 08:48, 4 November 2007 (EST)

spell correct

HELO BURDAK SIR--In the gotra list khetri is written that is not correct .right spelling is khatri.many villages are in rohtak like that ismaila(smayl) GHIZI, KULASI, near sampla ,a town in rohtak,Narela is in delhi,laura and khatri are same gotra .------- devinder singh

रामप्रसाद 'बिस्मिल' की आत्मकथा

Burdak Sir, I have put Autobiography of Ram Prasad Bismil on Wiki (in Hindi). It is only 50% now, shall add the rest of it in Fourth (last) chapter. Shall also write a short introduction of Bismil in English in first (Introduction) part. I have uploaded his picture on the site but it is somehow not visible on Autobiography page. Please rectify this so that picture is also available. I hope to complete the entire task in another 2-3 weeks. Later, after completion of this task, you can also put its link suitably at Wiki home page and wherever you deem fit. Thanks.

Dndeswal 14:33, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks for contribution, Deswalji. I have done necessary changes. You may like now. Looking to the length of article, Ramprasad Bismil, we can make separate pages foe each volume. What do you think? Laxman Burdak 02:17, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Hi

Hi Laxman,

Please can you add Jat people article to the main page, thanks friend.--Jat50 17:28, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Done! Laxman Burdak 23:45, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Thank you

Thank you Laxman. I love it here on Jat wiki being with my fellow Jat people we make a very good team. If you need any help please let me know.--Jat50 14:09, 30 November 2007 (EST)

Laxman

Its me Jat78 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jat78 from wikipedia not this Randip-singh. Please can you fix the error - thanks.--Jat50 14:32, 30 November 2007 (EST)

Updating of articles on Ch. Sir Chhotu Ram and Ch. Mool Chand Siyag

Namaste Burdak ji.

I have added some Hindi text (quoted from a book) on Ch. Chhotu Ram. When you have time, please see to it.

Similarly, I have done the English translation of wiki page on Ch. Mool Chand Siyag. Have added a short para (penultimate one) regarding Ch. Siyag's cooperation with Ch. Chhotu Ram. But you have to do hyperlinking of words and make some corrections,in my English translation, as I am unfamiliar with Marwar region and hence, may have written wrong spellings of names of villages etc.

You may also like to highlight both these pages on homepage of wiki. I think the one on Mool Chand Siyag is already there. I think you may request Nitin to make some provision on Jatland's home page where "What's New in Wiki" may be prominently displayed. In the absence of it, members and readers are not attracted towards wiki pages.

Hi Laxman

Hi Laxman,

Please can you merge Jats into the main article Jat people so we have Jat people as main starting point this will make it much better. Jats should be put into the Jat people article so we just have Jat people on main page because Jat people is the main starting point. Having Jats there is confusing. Therefore, please can you merge Jats into the main article Jat people so we have Jat people as main starting point this will make it much better, thanks friend.--Jat50 21:10, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Marwar updated

The article Marwar has been updated with photos. I would request from people of Marwar to provide more info and more pictures. Laxman Burdak

Hi Kishanaram Ji, See now the Marwar article. Write your comments to me here on my talk page. Thanks Laxman Burdak

Jatland Wiki in new format

Hi Deswalji,

I have formatted the main page of Jatland Wiki. I am not that techie but tried to impropve. If our some techies can suggest the improvements, that will be better. We need to bring more people to contribute on Jatland Wiki. My newest article is चौधरी रामदान डऊकिया. Translation of this article in English can be of good use.

Regards,

Laxman Burdak 06:43, 29 January 2008 (EST)

English translation of Ramdan Dookiya

Namaste Burdak ji

In both articles (Moolchand Siyag and Ramdan Dookiya), there is a mention about 'Lag-Bag' (लागबाग) tradition. I think it should also be explained in the footnote at the end of the article.

Regard

DN Deswal

Thanks Deswalji, It is a great contribution. The English translation of Ramdan Dookiya by you is excellent. In the process of checking I have done minor corrections. Your question marks have been explained with explanatory notes. Thanks. Laxman Burdak 00:50, 10 February 2008 (EST)
Namaskar Deswaji, I have added foot note where ever the word has appeared. लागबाग के अंतर्गत विभिन्न प्रकार के कर सम्मिलित हैं. किसान की पैदावार का आधा भाग लगान के रूप में लिया जाता था. लगान के अलावा किसान पर अन्य लागें भी लगा रखी थी जैसे मलबा लाग, धुआं लाग, आंगा लाग, कांसा लाग, नाता लाग, हल लाग आदि Thanks Laxman Burdak February 12th, 2008, 03:39 AM

Namaste Burdak ji

Burdak ji namaste,

Kaise ho? Aur parivar mein sukh shanti?

Maine kuch din pahele padha aapne koe kitab upload ki hai jatland pe. I have seen it with chapters to chapters. I wish to know how you have done it?

Suppose a book is with me that I wish to put on net then how should I proceed?

This is regarding Jat history book only.

Thanks in advance.

Regards, Jitender S. Hooda 07748818696

Re: Namaste Burdak ji

Hope you are fine. We are all well. Thanks.

If the book does not have copyright problem you can do it on Jatland Wiki. Open Jatland Wiki. Create a page in the name of title of book eg Jat History Book by Joon. Open this page and paste the content. We will do editing later. You should have content in electronic form on your PC. If there is problem e.mail me the content I will do it.

Thanks,

Laxman Burdak March 5th, 2008, 01:49 AM

Re: Namaste Burdak ji

March 5th, 2008, 09:19 AM Burdak ji Namaskar,

Thanks for the reply ... this book needs to be uploaded on some other site ... and perhaps there would be no copyright issue.

I was just willing to know how you have build the pages out of it .... you did it manually by editing it or such kind of forum/wikki sites do it automatically?

Regards, Jitender Hooda

Answer

It is done manually. Then we edit to make its sections, links and categories. Which book are you intending to upload? Uploading can be done on Yahoo Jat history group also. But that is not searchable. Wiki content is highly searchable. Jatland Wiki entries come next to Wikipedia search entries. Regards, Laxman Burdak March 5th, 2008, 09:43 AM

Re: Namaste Burdak ji

March 5th, 2008, 02:38 PM

Thanks a lot Laxman ji,

It clears how much efforts you are doing for the community site. Good efforts Laxman ji and that too without any earning will.

Laxman ji, dont know if the person who asked me to do this job will find it appealing to him, so I hope you wont mind if I say will tell you if its materialized, only to keep faith to that person.

Will be bothering you in between if need some else too .

Regards, Jitender S. Hooda

Updation in Seria Village in Wiki

March 29th, 2008, 08:14 AM

Dear Sir i have updated some data in my village seria in wiki jat villages section ..... but its not formatted and i tried to put the data in the tabular format but its now showing in a proper way .....

How can i put tabular data in the wiki section .... where the comparison is to be shown

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"Veerbhoomi Haryana"

Hellow Burdak ji - thanks for noticing the page. Only the last few paragraphs remain to be added. I would complete this in a day or two and shall let you know. Bifurcating the pages is a good idea. Dndeswal 11:08, 4 April 2008 (EDT)


Reformatting and bifurcation of pages by you is excellent, Burdak ji. The text addition from my side is also complete now - the whole book is there on the pages. I have today done a few minor adjustments (gaps between paras etc.) so that the title may look more attractive. You may hyperlink more words in the pages, as you deem fit.

I want to point out that following route appears on each page :

Main Page < Dharmpal Singh Dudee < Haryana < Veerbhoomi Haryana

I think there is some fault which needs to be rectified - it should be "books on Jat history", rather than "Dharmpal Singh Dudee". Please give a thought to this.

I intend to go through the text once more, for comparison with the book, as a final "proof reading", so that minor typing errors, if any, may be rectified. After a few days, you may make the pages of book as 'uneditable'.

You may also consider putting the link of "Veerbhoomi Haryana" on the main wiki page under "What's New" - to attract readership. Please also put the link of Swami Omanand's page under "What's New", since I am going to expand it considerably in the next few days.

Thanks. Dndeswal 01:44, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

About village Jalalpur

Jalalpur: This is mentioned as Jat village which is not correct. Actually it is a 100% muslim village and not a single Jat family lives there. I know this because my mother is from Kharkhari (hardly 300 metres in distance from Jalalpur). I have edited information about Kharkhari too but not Jalalpur as I wanted to bring it to your notice first.

Kharkhari is a village of Chauhan jats and not Tomars. All the jats in Kharkhari trace back their ancestary to Jesi baba. Jesi came from Ramala village after some British officer gifted him land in Kharkhari. Till 2-3 decades back people from Kharkhari used to cultivate lands in Ramala too which they gifted back to their relatives in Ramala. Vijay123

Haridwar

Sir, I have uploaded a few images on this page (Haridwar). Images are not visible on page. Please rectify this error. Dndeswal 12:11, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

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Hi Laxman

Hi Laxman, I hope you are well. When you use Professor B.S Dhillon's e-book for citations do NOT cite his book ONLY but cite the ORIGINAL references he has used in his book. This will make the information INDEPENDENT. You should cite the PRIMARY references he is USING not directly his book. For example for Jat Village population figures you are citing his book, you should NOT be doing this, you SHOULD CITE his references he used e.g. 1911 census of British Punjab - Major General Arthur Edward Barstow [1]. ALWAYS use Professor B.S Dhillon's references he USED IN HIS BOOK as cites not the book its self, this is the way the book was designed as a collection of references for research. Best regards.--Jat50 15:07, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Information about Surender Pal Singh Sheoran

April 30th, 2008, 01:34 PM

Hello Laxman ji Raam raam! I would like to get more information about a guy Surender Pal Sheoran mentioned on the page http://www.jatland.com/home/Sheoran

It seems that you added his name to jatland wiki on 22 Aug 2007. He's an old classmate of mine. Could I get more information about him like who gave you this name etc etc, if you have this information.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Best Regards

Navin Farswal

purvanchal jat mahasabha

May 18th, 2008, 05:51 AM

Dear Uncle

Are these jat clans r from North East....??

or have they come from different parts of haryana, raj ,up...for job, business, occupation etc.? like we find in pune, banglore, mumbai..


really felt proud that we have presence in NE as well..

Also, uncle i would like to remind you, about the question that i always keep asking from you..

the origins of goyats?? coz they are found in France as well...i what's this french connection... i'm quite confused... and Goyat is also a village name in Harda distict of Madhya Pradesh..

and somebody has also posted in wiki that goyat are known as gohels in maharasthra, when upon talking to a gohel he said, no, they aren't jat's.

i'm getting more and more confused..?please help me out?


regards satinder goyat The coolest(/HVAC)Jat

Reference Book

Namaste Sir. Glad to see your post. I think it would be a good idea to digitilise the book ठाकुर गंगासिंह: "जाट शब्द का उदय कब और कैसे? Where can it be bought in Delhi? If the book is not very bulky, I could do the job. Regards. Dayanand Deswal May 29th, 2008, 02:17 AM

Namaskar Deswalji, I have taken this content from his article published by ठाकुर गंगासिंह under the title "जाट शब्द का उदय कब और कैसे? In Jat-Veer Smarika 1992. Infact his book is by the title "Gyat Vansh ka Itihas". But I do not have it with me. His address is ठाकुर गंगासिंह, कोठी गंगा बिहार, अवाह गेट. भरतपुर. Thanks Laxman Burdak May 29th, 2008, 04:59 PM

Hi

Hello Laxman Ji,

While searching for Jat's root I have found this video on youtube about scythian migration.

Have a look at link and other related documenatries will open sidewise.They also are useful.I have little knoweledge, You can relate it better, so sending to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q564z1xXXsM


Regards Samar Singh Kadian Editor June 5th, 2008, 12:51 PM

Hi

Hello Laxman Ji,

Hope you doing well. I was going through some famous jat people on other sites.When I opened our Jatwiki and found very little information about Sir Chajju Ram, I thought to edit it but I guess you are the right person to do it about the Greatest Jat. That site also has his picture, Family picture and One gentleman has wrote his biography which is mentioned at the end. I also edited and put one link of a site dedicated to Ch Devi Lal's page.Kindly see it.

Link for Sir Chajju Ram


http://www.haryana-online.com/People...hhajju_ram.htm

Thanks June 15th, 2008, 01:52 PM Samar Singh Kadian Editor

Hi Laxman

Hi Laxman I have 2 things I need to say to you:

1. If you wish to put up Professor B.S Dhillon's book I support you. I think its a good idea. If the author ever wants the book taken off Jatland you can remove it within 1 day so put it online.

2. Please remove or move the URL of this archive disscusion on Jatland (link below) as when a google search on the word "Jat people" is conducted it appears number one. It does not show our Jat community in good light so please remove or move the URL from Jatland.

Best regards.

--Jat50 05:45, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Thank you

I have put History and study of the Jats by Professor B.S Dhillon. Please see and edit to improve it.

Rest of the amendments you suggested are on Forums of Jatland. I am not editor over there. We have to request to the administrator.

Regards, Laxman Burdak 03:47, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Great Community Service

Dear Sh. Burdak, I sincerely compliment you on your painstaking initiative notwithstanding the demands of your important official responsibilities. Based upon the research material that you have put together through this site and your efforts, it may be good idea to publish it by way of a book on Jats. Books on authentic Jat history are not too many as majority of the writings tend to fall prey to eulogistic propoganda. I would also suggest you to catalogue different English and Hindi references on Jats as well as indicate the places where these books (at least most) might be available. Some libraries where these books are available may be mentioned for general information of browsers. Once again, many congratulations and please keep up the good work. Regards. Tejveer Singh

Thanks

Thanks Tejpalji for your comments. It is the good will of people like you and our community that we have been able to compile the things about Jat matters here. You can see info about books at Books on Jat History.

Regards, Laxman Burdak 07:52, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Aakhir Jeet Hamari

Namaste Burdak ji. I am going to post text of Hindi novel आखिर जीत हमारी after a few days, and have placed the link in "Books on Jat History". If technically it is necessary to title the page in Roman letters, you may do so as you wish.

I think the pages on "Veerbhoomi Haryana" may now be made uneditable.

Regards.

Dndeswal 00:42, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks

Namaskar Deswalji,

I have made Veerbhoomi Haryana un-editable. If technically it is necessary to title the page in Roman letters I will do but no problem in Wiki.

Regards. Laxman Burdak 00:52, 22 September 2008 (EDT)


Hellow, Sir. I notice that while the main page of "Veerbhoomi Haryana" has been made uneditable, its sub-pages or sub-section are still editable. Please have a look when you have time.

Dndeswal 20:35, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Request for editing

Sir, please see the main page of आखिर जीत हमारी I have put the sub-titles in "Contents" but somehow, the entire group of titles is appearing. Once you visit the page, you will understand the problem. Please rectify it by editing.

Dndeswal 00:00, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

fixed

Deswalji,

Fixed the problem. See now. Laxman Burdak 10:57, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

hello

Hello sir

I am Virender Singh Sorout from faridabad,I have recently joined JL. trust me from last one month it has becam part of my life. The knowledge regarding famous jats and our history which i hav got is umcomparable. I am have read all your post ,sir head solute to u for your knowledge. Sir pls help me in knowning something abt my gotra.{sorout}, Thanks Regards, virender singh, 9990896871, October 19th, 2008, 12:29 PM

hierarchy within the Jat Gotras

16-11-08 07:39 PMmalvika Namaskar Burdak Ji, Is there a hierarchy within the Jat Gotras? e.g. Some Jats claim that their Gotra is superior to other Jat Gotras? Thanks and best regards, Anju

All Jats are considered equal. No Jat is superior or inferior. This peculiar speciality is within Jat community only. Laxman Burdak 06:46, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Kharnawa, Kohar and Nehwal

17-11-08 09:37 AM cooljat uncleji, Pranam ! while goin' thro Gotras list I'm amazed to find Mehta gotra !! I dont think Mehta is gotra ... its a universal surname like singh, verma, kumar, arya etc .. plz shed some light on it !!

One more thing, I didn't find few gotras like Kharnawa, Kohar and Nehwal, also add these !

Warm Regards Jit

Mehta is surname but recorded by Jat historians in the list of Gotras. Thanks for bringing in light Kharnawa, Kohar and Nehwal gotras. These have been added. Pl check in Hindi if correct. Laxman Burdak 06:46, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Re: Regarding new move at JL wiki

Hello Laxman ji,

Hope you are doing well and in pink of your health.

Another day I was thinking on the lines of Interesting names Jat's have got in the history.Like few names very very popular but in extinction phase now.Like Ramphal, Sube, Ram Mehar,Kurda Ram, Jage, Angoori,Kela, Bhateri, etc.

What do you think?

Regards, Samar Singh, December 20th, 2008, 07:11 AM


Hi Samarji, Good idea to keep their history alive. We can put articles about them on JL wiki. Collect some content and their photos from the records. Regards, Laxman Burdak December 20th, 2008, 07:34 AM
We have started new thread on The Brave Jats . May see here - http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26144. Laxman Burdak December 21st, 2008, 08:05 AM (EST)

Re: Suraj Sujan Magzine

Hello Sir,

I'm writing to you in reference to a magzine I have found from Mahararaja Suraj Mal Society Delhi. In every edition they publish a good article about Jat History like this time , Some Dr Natthan Singh has written one sanskrit Sholak Ajay Jatro Hunam i'e Huno per vijay paane wale jat hain.. And say more about Malav and Shudrak gotra jats who defeated Alxender under the leadership of Chandergupta Maurya. I thought to make you aware by this Magzine, inany case if you dnt know. Regards Samar Singh, December 25th, 2008, 12:16 PM

Thanks samarji, Laxman Burdak 23:14, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Regarding wiki

Hello laxman ji,

Happy new year!

I was going through 'life, culture of jats in wiki section and thought to tell you few points:

1.In religion , Jats are devotee of Hanuman Ji as you must be knowing, but there was no picture of Hanuman ji.Secondaly in every village there are huge faith in small Khedas i.e small dieties.

2.Youth especially Jats are more inclined to sports like Kabbadi and kushti. There is tradition of Akhadas and it has given various national and intenational level wrestlers.In these times Kushti and Kabaddis are sole source of entertainment in villages on occasions like Holi and Fagun.

Samar 1-1-09, 01:10 PM

Re:Regarding wiki

Happy and prosperous new year 2009 !

I have done some improvements and added Images not only Hanuman but Ram also. See now

http://www.jatland.com/home/Life%2C_..._of_Jat_people

In the first para local games and sports by Jats need to be expanded.

Regards, Laxman Burdak 22:00, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Thakur Desraj's book

Burdak ji, Namaste and Happy New Year.

Somehow I find Jat Historygroup at Yahoo not very useful for common readers. Only those who are members, can read the pages. I am trying to search Thakur Desraj's book at this group, which is reportedly available online. I may have navigational problems but am unable to find it (I am now a member of this Group). Apart from a few MS-Word documents of Ravi Choudhary, there is not much data over there, though I have not read all discussion pages.

Moreover, after going through those word documents by Raviji, I find that they are merely English translations of some portions of Swami Omanand's book, the excerpts from which I have already posted (in Hindi). Hence, there is not enough research-oriented material in Yahoo pages. Sheer translation into English is not sufficient, though it could be somewhat useful. I am of the opinion that without the knowledge of ancient scripts and some knowledge of Sanskrit, real research on Jat history is not possible.

Can it be possible that Thakur Desraj's book is put on Jatland Wiki, the pages of which are accessible to everyone - members or non-members? This is a way to make it more popular. I think the book is in some srange font, not unicode.


Regards. Dayanand Deswal 2-1-09, 05:45 AM

Re:Thakur Desraj's book

Thanks Deswalji,

Wish you happy and prosperous new year 2009

The Yahoo Jat History Deshraj Book is in Arjun Font. You have to download and instal Arjun Font in your PC to read it.

Since it is not in Unicode it can not be uploaded on Jatland Wiki unless converted to Unicode. This is exactly the problem once I had put it on forums before our members. It has to be typed in Unicode.

Regards, Laxman Burdak 09:32, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Please give me the link. Let me see. If the work is not too lengthy, I could perhaps try to re-type it. Regards. DN Deswal 3 January 2009, 08:31 AM

Re:Thakur Desraj's book

Deswalji,

Here is the link - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHis...ts%20-Desraj-/

He has also given Arjun Font in it. Book is too lengthy. Let us wait till some software is developed to convert Arjun Font to unicode. Let us put this discussion on talk page of JL Wiki. That will help to trace history of JL Wiki.

Regards, Laxman Burdak 09:32, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Deswal ji and Laxman ji,

An abridged edition of Thakur Deshraj's book prepared by me has been published by Surajmal Memorial Education Society, New Delhi. Its reprint of 2009 came out a couple of monhs back.All relevant material has been kept intact in the abridged edition. The portions relating to Sikhs have been kept out for a possible second volume. The mistakes in Sanskrit text quoted in the 1989 full edition have been removed.Type set is also computer oriented. You may try to digitise this edition.The Society would be glad to offer a copy for the purpose. regards s.s.ranaDrssrana2003

Improvements needed for Jatland

Dear Sateswar,

I suggest some Changes needed for Jatland:

1. Jatland Wiki had a system of peculiar alert system of messages. When one opened a page on Wiki a coloured strip with message used to appear prominently. After integration this has stopped. It may be restored.

2.Jatland Wiki shows number of views of each article. Is it possible to bifurcate views by members and guests ? The forums main page shows this bifurcation. This will indicate the popularity of a page.

3. Jatland shows number of posts contributed by member on Forums only. It does not include posts on Wiki. Is it possible to integrate forums with Wiki contribution so that all posts are included in this number?

4. Jatland Wiki has a user page. It is meant for his personal info of the member. Presently not many members are using this page. Can user page be integrated with the profile of member on Forums?

Regards,

Laxman Burdak 23:12, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Please help Laxman with stopping removal of great Jat picture

Hi Laxman,

User: Ndahiya keeps on removing the picture that shows great Jat historical figures that represent our people on the Jat people page. http://www.jatland.com/home/Image:Ethnic_Group-Jat_People.jpg Please can you tell him that this behaviour is unacceptable and if he continues please protect the page.

http://www.jatland.com/home/Special:Contributions/Ndahiya

Regards,

Jat50.

--Jat50 17:08, 7 February 2009 (EST)

Madina village

Burdak ji, Namaste. While editing Jat villages page, I noticed the following page :

http://www.jatland.com/home/Madina

There is no text but someone (perhaps some member) has pasted his photo on the page. Please have a look when you find time.

Dndeswal 23:28, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Swami Omanand's Biography

Namaste Burdak ji.

I just created a page on above subject in "Books on Jat Hisotry. I tried to save it under URL http://www.jatland.com/home/Swami_Omanand_Biography. But when I click the page, the title appears as follows (which is so lengthy)

Swami_Omanand_Biography

Please correct the URL. I am not so technical. I would make suitable sub-pages thereafter.

Dndeswal 23:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC) .

Biography of Swami Omanand Saraswati

This lengthy heading is due to Hindi. Keep English title. Then there will be no problem I have moved Hindi title to English. See now:

Biography of Swami Omanand Saraswati

Regards, Laxman Burdak 14:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed

Fix it as shown here.Laxman Burdak 18:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I have reduced size of cover page to fit the screen. Hope it is OK now.Laxman Burdak 14:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


I wanted this english URL only, Sir. I attempted it at the time of creation of page but somehow missed. Please guide me on this. Is it done only at the time of creation of page or later on also? And how to redirect a page? Thanks.

Dndeswal 01:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Redirect

Deswalji, you can redirect a page any time. There is a wiki markup below the edit window:#REDIRECT[[]]. Open the window to edit the page and put the title to which you want to redirect in double brackets and save. That will do it.Laxman Burdak 03:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear Brother, Good evening.

hi

I will sign all the entries to be edited in future. With regards, ISHWAR SINGH BURDAK

O.K.,Laxman ji , I will do it Choudhary 02:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)in future.


Laxman ji, Today's matter posted regarding me should come under head-"Want to know more about me?" Thanks, Choudhary 08:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC) --- Namaskar Burdak ji I got your message, I am contributing in Karnal page. Regards Virender Narwal


Dear Burdak Sahib,

Thank you very much for your message. Sorry for delayed response. I am fine. It was a very nice meeting and wonderful interaction with you. I have asked the members of Youth Jat Association of Chittorgarh district to send me information about Jat villages, I will put this information on Jatland wiki as soon as I get it.

I look forward to see you again soon.

With warm regards, Tej Ram


Dava and Dahiya

Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:27:06 PM

Dear Sir

I have seen a great contribution of yours in Jatland.com. I must thanks to you in millions from me and the whole Jat community for bringing such useful information in to this electronics medias. I am an Ex-Serviceman Entrepreneur having a business related to Aircraft Parts & Servicing in Goa.

I wanted a small query about my gotra. By gotra I am Dahiya belongs to Vill. Thalarka Teh Nohar Raj.. Can you please define that the Dahiya or दावां are same gotras or different. My Grand father migrated from Vill Mandori of Tehsil Bhattu Hisar. Our for-fathers are from Boras Village near Jodhpur.

The Bahi Bhats says that we are dava or दावां not Dahiya where as according to our for-fathers we are actual Dahiya not दावां according to them it is a nik name of Dahiya only. Is any where any Dava or दावां gotras are existing ij Jats. Thanks and best regards ... Rameshwar Dahiya

Reply

Hi Rameshwarji,

Thanks for your kind words. We have given some content about your village at Thalarka. We have also given some content about Dava gotra at http://www.jatland.com/home/Dahva. Here we find that Dava (दावा) Dahava (दहवा) Dahva (दहवा) are same.

Kindly see comparison of gotras in different countries by Bhim Singh Dahiya at Jats_the_Ancient_Rulers_(A_clan_study)/Appendices/Appendix_II

Dava is very likely to be sanskritised as Darva, the way Gujar becomes Gurjar in sanskrit. Darva is related with Dabas. Dahiya and Dabas are considered to have common ancestors. so we can also say Dava and Dahiya are related. Kindly expand Dava so that we can find further links.

Regards, Laxman Burdak 04:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Special Thanks to Mr. L.R.Burdak

Respected Mr. Burdak,

Special thanks to you for providing a common platform to share their origin & closeness among each other....

Would like add few thoughts (As being a youngester & Keen in MY community)...

  1. New JAT generation need to be motivated to come in forefront for the community. Our main aim is to enhacing the contribution of Youth in this stream. There is no doubt about this that any yougester will go through the achievements & history of their anncestor, he/she will definately be motivated...But our agenda must to MOTIVATE him
  2. Integration all the Mushrooming JAT social forum, JAT community must be under one roof rather nuclear gatherings
  3. Each must take a oath to help each other

May or may not be agree to the above mentioned points. But got space to share my views hence DONE this.

Thanks a ton again

Warm Regards.. Nishant Choudhary

New Default Style and other changes

burdakji,

a bunch of changes -

  • jatland's homepage now directs to the wiki main page. this is now the welcome page to the site. lets keeps edits to the page to a minimum for now.
  • the new default style for the wiki is called vbulletin. integrates with the forums. you might be using a different def style, so important to check in that style that things look fine (should not be any diff, but just to be sure). this is just the style, so all features should be as is.
  • for the welcome header of specific pages, lets just use < h3 > < /h3 > instead of the custom code we were using. see main page or gotras page as example. we should edit the headers as we go to through other pages. ideally, we do not even need to use the "welcome to xyz page" message, though it might be ok to use on index pages (only).

also let the other active editors know abt the changes.

nitin.

BLOCK option

Burdak ji, Namaste. When I see Wiki Contributors page, I see the following. I noticed the Block option today for the first time. By the way, in my opinion, it should be available only to Wiki editors. Or has this option been allotted to all members by Satyeshwar?

142 122 226 Lrburdak (Talk | contribs | block)

46 35 66 Dndeswal (Talk | contribs | block)

14 8 18 Drssrana2003 (Talk | contribs | block)

10 5 12 Nishantishan (Talk | contribs | block)

3 3 3 Anurag8425 (Talk | contribs | block)


etc......

.

Was of nill content

Laxman ji, those and other few pages I deleted , were not having relevant information needed to be added in the list of jat villages. He did mention the name of freedom fighters. That is why I deleted them.Samarkadian 10:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)Samarkadian

Thats better.

Yes Laxman ji. It looks better now. I will take care in future about deletion. Morever, now Wiki Editors have separate forum to discuss important things. I have put a thread there. Kindly have a look. Samarkadian 11:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)Samarkadian

Regarding Classification of Gotras

Dear Respected Sir, When I see the list of Jat gotras. I found some errors in that. 1. In 'B' Gotra, Dabla & Davla,Dawla are same. but its redirected saprate pages when i click it. please put it under same page. 2. In 'D' Gotra, Baradwal & Badwal Gotra are same. But the same repeated here.

Regarding Classification of Gotras

Dear Respected Sir, When I see the list of Jat gotras. I found some errors in that. 1. In 'B' Gotra, Dabla & Davla,Dawla are same. but its redirected saprate pages when i click it. please put it under same page. 2. In 'D' Gotra, Baradwal & Badwal Gotra are same. But the same repeated here. -- Sitaram 10:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Sihag and Suhag articles...

Respected Sir,

According to wiki page (Suhag), Suhag jats ruled over pallu or pallukot but ironically it it is known that before rathore's rule, only (Sihag) jats rule was in pallu for centuries. All the info on suhag wiki page is about sihag jats,you can see discription of Sihag clan on this page of book by Ram Swarup Joon-http://www.jatland.com/home/History_of_the_Jats/Chapter_V It is known that earlier Suhag and Sihag were same gotra(clan) and in cource of time 'i' was changed to 'u' and in my view you should merge or redirect (SUHAG) article into (SIHAG) as all the information which is on Suhag page is now added by me to (asiagh or sihag) wiki page. Moreover there is no relation of Suhag jats to 'suhag' word related to marriage and it is just a mere coincidence.

thanks!

Rahul Sihag.....date-05/01/2010.

Jat gotra

Respected sir, At jatland wiki some jat gotra not showing in Jat gotra list are as under- [Foolfagar], [Dantusliya]. Please add in list. From:- Prem Sukh Didel.

Regarding Village Names

Dear Sir,

There are some common names in Jat Gotras and Villages like, Mandawara, Mahala, Dabla etc.

When I click on the village name. Gotra information populated.


So, take a mention on it.

Sitaram 11:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Reset HOODA gotra page

Respected sir, Mene mobile internet par Hooda page ke under "Villages in Nagaur district" jodna chaha tha, par vo jud nahi paya aur page kharab ho gaya. Sir, HOODA page ko pehle ki tarah set kar dijiye. Thanking you sir, Prem Sukh Didel.

Done -- Laxman Burdak 16:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

New page

Laxman ji, Kindly have a look at this page.

http://www.jatland.com/w/index.php?title=Kalihar_Chauhan&rcid=73827

I couldnt understand it where to categorised it. Same user has edited kalheer gotra. In my opinion, it shall go to kalheer gotra.

Samarkadian 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)Samarkadian

regarding Jat villages

Dear Sir, There is problem. There is a tehsil in Jaipur Distict of Rajasthan named Bassi. When i click on bassi's link i reached to bassi gotras page. There is no other way to found bassi tehsil's village on the site. Please resolved it. Sitaram 08:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Bassi village

It is Bassi Jaipur. Laxman Burdak 08:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Jat Gotra

Respected Burdak Sahab, There are some confusion in jat gotra section. I think Jat Gotra Neel and Leel is same. It is difference of languages. यह मात्र उच्चारण का फर्क है. यह मात्र मेरा विचार मात्र है. यदि आपके पास इन दोनों गोत्र के अलग अलग होने की कोई ठोस वज़ह हो तो ठीक है अन्यथा दोनों गोत्र को एक ही सेक्शन में कर दिया जाय.

With warm regards.

Sitaram 07:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Jat Gotra

Respected Burdak Sahab, There are some confusion in jat gotra section. I think Jat Gotra Neel and Leel is same. It is difference of languages. यह मात्र उच्चारण का फर्क है. यह मात्र मेरा विचार मात्र है. यदि आपके पास इन दोनों गोत्र के अलग अलग होने की कोई ठोस वज़ह हो तो ठीक है अन्यथा दोनों गोत्र को एक ही सेक्शन में कर दिया जाय.

With warm regards.

Sitaram 07:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Want to know history of 'Didel' gotra

Respected Burdak Ji, Namaskar, I want to know the origin history of Didel gotra. Regards, -- Premsukhdidel 01:30, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

regarding Jat villages

श्रीमान जी जयपुर जिले की दुदू तहसील के रेटा की ढाणी की सुचना को रेटा विल्लेज में मर्ज कर दे तथा मुवालों की ढाणी की सूचना को उरसेवा गाँव में मर्ज़ कर दे. क्योकि ये दोनों रेवेन्यु विल्लेज नहीं है. ये दोनों ढाणी रेटा तथा उरसेवा की रेवेन्यु सीमा में है.

Sitaram 12:15, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Reg. New pages at JL wiki

Respected Burdak Ji, Thank you very much for your reply. I have added villages (Deh, Khanwar, Marwar Mundwa, Rol Nagaur and Tarnau). When you have time, please see to it. Thank you.


Premsukhdidel 16:53, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

regarding Jat villages

श्रीमान जी अगर हो सके तो जयपुर जिले की दुदू तहसील के अमरपुरा गाँव की सुचना को श्रीरामपुरा गाँव में मर्ज कर दे क्योकि अमरपुरा भी रेवेन्यु विलेज नहीं है. यह श्रीरामपुरा गाँव की रेवेन्यु सीमा में बसा हुआ है. Sitaram 11:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Dhanna Bhagat

Respected burdak sahab,

Abhi me dhanna bhagat ke bare me padh raha tha. mene suna hai ke dhanna bhagat village Morla tehsil Malpura Dist Tonk ka niwasi tha. Morla village aaj bhi Dhanna Bhagat ka Morla ke naam se mashoor hai. Morla village me Dhanna Bhagat ka Nada (Small pond shaped khet) aaj bhi mojood hai. but i have no evidence. aaj raat ko satsang ke doran is bare me meri satsangiyon se baat bhi hui thee. but no result. jabki wiki me dhanna bhagat ko chouru village ka bataya gaya hai. plese is bare me kuchh roshni dalne ki kripa kare. rest is next. Sitaram 07:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

All sources tell his village was Dhuan Kalan. So far no source tell us about Morla as his birth place. There is mention of one more famous saint from Morla. He is Bhawana Ram Charad, who is said to have walked on water. Laxman Burdak 08:31, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Classification of Gotras

Dear Respected Burdak Saheb,

There is a section for Jat Gotra (sheorayan) and another section for Jat Gotra (Soran) or (Sorana). But according to my opinion these both gotra are same. So do the needful.

Regards

Sitaram 11:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


Regarding Page Deletion of Village Banhpur Distt Bulandshahr

Respected burdak sahab,


I wrote some information about my Village Banhpur which comes under distt Bulandshahr up, i contributed some information abt my village over and mohallas in my village, but i am very disappointed to know that you have deleted that page,i really don't know why it is so. Whereas i was suppose to provide huge information abt my Distt and Village as well.


I have newly joined JatLand perhaps i have not followed JatLand Rules if it is so then forgive me.


Reply Requested. MOHITKUMAR

Banhpur

Info moved to Banhpur page. May add here. Do not create long titled pages. Your info has been moved to proper place and then long titled page deleted. Hope it is clear now. Laxman Burdak 14:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

E-mail and Mobile no.

Respected Burdak Ji, My email id is

psdidel@gmail.com
Mobile no. 09973585833 & 08987713633.

with regards. Premsukhdidel 02:07, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Regarding e-mail & Mobile No.

Respected Burdak Saheb,

Here is my mail ID & Mobile No. for your kind information as desired as you Mail ID = sitaramchoudhary123@gmail.com Mobile No. = 09829249752

Regards,

Sita Ram Jat 04:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Classification of Gotras

Respected Burdak Ji,

Namaskar,

There is a section for Jat Gotra Jhinja and another section for Jat Gotra Jhinjha. I think Jat Gotra Jhinja and Jhinjha are same. So do the needful.

With Regards.

Prem Sukh Didel 03:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks ! Merged Jhinja and Jhinjha. Laxman Burdak 04:19, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Dhaka Gotra in ancient Jat Gotra's.

Burdak Sahab, Ek jagah to aap Nagavansh oor Tak,Taka,Taxas,Dhaka,Tokas ki history likh rahe ho oor fir Dhaka gotra ko aap ancient Jat Gotra's main add nahin kar rahe ho oor jin Gotra's ka kahin bhi history main jikar tak nahin hai vo saare Gotra's ko aap Ancient Jat Gotra's main dalte jaarahe ho kiya yeh saahi hai. Kiya Dhaka Gotra's ancient Gotra nahin hai. Yadi ham actual dekhte hain to Dhaka,Dhake Dhakarwal,Dhahake,Deka,Dhakar,Dhoke ka jikar Maharastra se lekar madhya pardesh hate hue aasam bangal bangladesh oor china se lekar afganistan hote hue lahor oor islamabad tak hata hai. Nagvansh se lakar aajtak hota hai. Oor Dhaka Gotar ka udgam sthan bhi Dhikoli(UP)nahin hai.Aakhiri Raaj Dhaka Gotar ka Burhan Pur M.P. hai jo Tapti Nadi ke Saath main basa hua hai oor subdaari Bharat ke jin rajyoon ka jikar uprakt kiya gaya hai bvaahan par feli hui hain.Yadi ham revanue record main jate hain to farshi main jooki urdu se pahle thi aap record bhi prapt hoo sakta hai. Kripya aap Dhaka Gotar ko ancient Jat Gotra's main add kare.

Dil se Dhanyewaad.

Rakesh Dhaka

Regarding Narena Village

Dear Burdak Saheb, Ram Ram Sa, Kafi samay nikal gaya aapse baat kiye or JL Wiki Section par aaye. mene wiki section me Kishangarh encripton ke bare me padha or below village ka reference bhi diya gayaa hai. but according to me and the list of village in kishangarh Tehsil provided by Revenue Department of Rajasthan there is no village named Nirana (निराना) or Narena is a village in Kishangarh tahsil, Ajmer, Rajasthan.

Please mention aproper location of above mentioned village.

Regards Sitaram 03:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding village Narena

Respected Burdak saheb, I am unable to find out the Village Narena in Kishangarh Tehsil. There is only one village situated in kishangarh Tehsil Named Chhota Narena But there are no such victory piller & encription mentioned on JL Wiki Section. Regards, Sitaram 05:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Narena Village

Dear respected Burdak Saheb, The Chhatri & victory Pillar and The Baori (Well) constructed by a Jewlia Gotra chieftain is situated in Village Adarwa Tehsil DUDU Dist Jaipur instead of Narena Village in Kishangarh Tehsil. Actually these both villages are neighbour so there are some confusion. I have confirmed this. After some time i will provide the Photographs of these. So do the needful.

Regards,

Sitaram 06:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Re:Regarding Narena Village

Thanks Sita Ramji. This is a great achievement. Let us expand Adarwa village history. Laxman Burdak 06:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Ravi Baswani

I am still unable to believe because a Sindhi website has put his name in their bollywood section.

--Samarkadian 11:59, 4 November 2010 (UTC)Samarkadian

Article: Decline of Vidic culture and revival of Nagavanshis (correction of spellings)

Dear Sir, It is a great pleasure to communicate with You. I would like to have Your attention towards the article: Decline of Vidic culture and revival of Nagavanshis. Respected Sir, in the title of this article, the spellings of Vedic are incorrectly mentioned as Vidic. I would like to request You to look into this matter. I tried to correct them by myself, but unfortunately it did't worked out. Instead the page went missing!!! Maybe because the page has been created with the title: Decline of Vidic culture and revival of Nagavanshis, by You; and when I attempted to correct the spellings of Vedic, the website just created another page withthe title: Decline of Vedic culture and revival of Nagavanshis with No Text, for which I am really sorry! Please look into the matter Sir! Thank You! Moar 11:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Article Jats' section: जाट शब्द कैसे बना (expert's overview needed)

Dear Sir, Please have a sharp look at these lines from the article Jats (section: जाट शब्द कैसे बना) :- आज से दो हजार वर्ष पूर्व की प्राकृत भाषा की पुस्तकों में संस्कृत 'ज्ञ' का स्थान 'ज' एवं 'त' का स्थान 'ट' हुआ मिलता है. इसकी पुष्टि व्याकरण के पंडित बेचारदास जी ने भी की है. उन्होंने कई प्राचीन प्राकृत भाषा के व्यकरणों के आधार पर नविन प्राकृत व्याकरण बनाया है जिसमे नियम लिखा है कि संस्कृत 'ज्ञ' का 'ज' प्राकृत में विकल्प से हो जाता है और इसी भांति 'त' के स्थान पर 'ट' हो जाता है. इसके इस तथ्य कि पुष्टि सम्राट अशोक के शिला लेखों से भी होती है जो उन्होंने २६४-२२७ इस पूर्व में धर्मव्लियों के स्तंभों पर खुदवाई थी. उसमें भी कृत के सतह पर कट और मृत के स्थान पर मत हुआ मिलाता है. Dear Sir, I would like to have your attention towards the last line of the Hindi text. While describing the changes occured; when the place of संस्कृत भाषा was taken by प्राकृत भाषा, कृत has been described, to be written as कट, showing that 'त' has been replaced by 'ट' . But then why the same has not been implemented to मृत , why the word describing the change is said to be written as, मत ; here 'त' has not been shown replaced by 'ट' . I want to know that is it simply a mistake, or in place of मृत , the word actually written is मत , AND NOT 'मट' . And IF, in this case, it is not a mistake, then why there is a mention of the word मृत in the article, while no change has been noticed. And IF it is a mistake, the, it deserves to be corrected. Please look into the matter, Sir. Thanks! Moar 18:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

regarding Dhayal gotra

डिअर बुरडक साहब गोत्र सेक्शन में Dayal दायल गोत्र तथा Dhayal धायल गोत्र अलग अलग है. कृपया इनको एक जगह ही कर दे. क्योकि ये दोनों मात्र उच्चारण का फर्क है. धन्यवाद Sitaram 11:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

regarding village names

Dear Respected Burdak Saheb, In Malpura Tehsil of Tonk District there are some villages which are not listed in the List. like - Mandolai, Peemoon and there are many impurity in village names. like - Hatgi, kalyanpura peegoon etc. actually these are hatki, kalyanpura peemoon.. Can I correct it & add the missing villages names in list ?

Regards, Sitaram 08:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

regarding village names

Dear Respected Burdak Saheb, In Malpura Tehsil of Tonk District there are some villages which are not listed in the List. like - Mandolai, Peemoon and some more and there are many impurity in village names. like - Hatgi, kalyanpura peegoon etc. actually these are hatki, kalyanpura peemoon.. Can I correct it & add the missing villages names in list ?

Regards, Sitaram 08:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Sita Ramji Check in nearby tahsils also. Mandolai is in Todaraisingh. I am not sure if it is same or other village. You can add names after verifying. Laxman Burdak 14:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Following Up QUERY: Article Jats' section: जाट शब्द कैसे बना (expert's overview needed)

Respected Sir, Thank you for taking notice of my query. One more query that's continously running through my mind is that, while the change from कृत has been described, to be written as कट; similarly, the change from मृत has been described, to be written as मत (which would be possibly corrected as मट). But Sir, in both the cases we found one more change as well, both of the words are described to be wrtten as KAT (कट) and MAT (मट), and not KRIT (कृट) and MRIT (मृट); but it does not seems appropriate. In both the cases, क और म के पैर में, ऋ की मात्रा गायब है. I understand the fact that, we are focused only on the change between त to ट only; but if possible , please have a scrutiny of this one as well. Thank You! Moar 08:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Query: about 'Shloka- 16' in various articles !

Respected Sir,

I edited your article, Indo-Aryan origin of Jats, a few days back just because I saw some room for furthur improvements; as I am interested in contributing to develop contents on Jatland Wiki. And, I am thankful to you for accepting the changes made by me. While editing the article, along with editing grammer structure, and making changes to impropve the symmetry; I also noticed a section which requires your personal attention. In the section, Jats in Devasamhita, the Shloka- 16 from Deva Samhitais was explained as under:

Shiva explains Parvati about the origin of Jats in Shloka –16 of Deva samhita:

श्रृष्टेरादौ महामाये वीर भद्रस्य शक्तित: Shrishterādau mahāmāye Virabhadrasya shaktita: कन्यानां दक्षस्य गर्भे जाता जट्टा महेश्वरी Kanyānām Dakshasya garbhe jātā jattā maheshwarī.


Meaning – 'In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and Daksha’s daughtergana's (?) womb originated the caste of Jats'.

And, I was not satisfied with the way, daughtergana's was written. I concluded that it might just be a mistake; so I decided to edit it. But then, the question arose that what what should I write in place of it. So, I followed some articles, in which this section has been mentioned. They were: Origin of Jats from Shiva's Locks, Origin of the Jats, Deva Samhita.

Interestingly , the section in the article 'Origin of Jats from Shiva's Locks' expalins as follows :

Translation – "Shiva said, In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and Daksha's daughter gani's womb originated the caste of Jats."

The section in the article 'Origin of the Jats' explains as follows :

Translation – "Shiva said, In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and Daksha's daughter gani's womb originated the caste of Jats."

BUT, The section from the article 'Deva Samhita' explains as follows :

Meaning – "In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and daughter of Daksha's gana's womb originated the caste of Jats."

And, in the section of the article Indo-Aryan origin of Jats, the explaination was written as follows:

Meaning – 'In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and Daksha’s daughtergana's (?) womb originated the caste of Jats'; which was changed to:

Meaning – 'In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and Daksha’s daughter Gani's womb originated the caste of Jats'; by me.

But Sir, I realised that it's just not done. I think what I have done does not helps the situation at all; as I have concluded that, in different section, two explainations are provided as follows:

  • 1. One is:

Translation – "Shiva said, In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and Daksha's daughter gani's womb originated the caste of Jats." (This text is written in your articles mentioned above, by you)

  • 2. While the other is:

Meaning – "In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and daughter of Daksha's gana's womb originated the caste of Jats." (I guess this what you were trying to write in the section of the article: Indo-Aryan origin of Jats, but by-mistake wrote the word, daughtergana's as a mistake, which was noticed by me.)

Now all I want to know is that whether the first one is a correct expalination of Shloka- 16 or the other one is a correct expalination of the Shloka ??????? (as both of the statements have Different Meanings, which is compromising the quality standard of the Encyclopedia.)

I thought that maybe the first one, that's why I tried to correct it by matching to the first one, but I am not sure about it. Furthur, there must be a common expalination in all the articles. So, please guide me by suggeasting that which one is correct.

Also, please tell me that whether the Gani mentioned here is the daughter of Daksha, or Gani signifies the attendants of his daughter, in case the first one is correct ???????

And please note that: despite of whichever is correct, please note that gani or gana, both are redirected gana; which itself is redirected to Ganesha, in which the introduction says as follows,

Ganesha (गणेश or श्रीगणेश), "lord of the hosts," also spelled as Ganesa and Ganesh, often also referred to as Ganapati, is one of the most well-known and venerated representations of God. He is the second son of Shiva and Parvati, and the 'consort' of Buddhi. Gaṇas (Devanagari: गण) were attendants of Shiva and lived in Kailasa. Ganesha, second son of Shiva, was chosen as their leader by Shiva, hence his title Ganapati, "lord of ganas".

Sir, please just give the answer to my query, and I will make changes to the articles' sections', wherever required, by myself. Till then, I am restoring the text written before I edited, which I believes resembles to the second one.

I hope that You understand my concern! Thanks! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 18:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


You will find it really interesting that in the article Origin of Jat people from Shiva's Locks on Wikipedia, they have used both of the explainations mentioned above for the expalination of a the same Shloka, in a single article, one after another in different sections. I really think that we should work it out on Jatland Wiki, as a number of people seems to have confusion regarding this. Moar 19:27, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Reply

gani is the word used by Thakur Deshraj on page 87 of Jat Itihas. We can change it to gani. Thanks for your efforts. Laxman Burdak 15:06, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Following Up Query: about 'Shloka- 16' in various articles !

Respected Sir,

Thank you very much for taking notice of my query, and answering it. Really, I am very greatful to you. As, you have suggested that the word gani should be preferred over gana; now I will make the required changes to all the articles in which Shloka-16 is there. But Sir, it still left me with two options, they are as under:

1. First one is:

Translation – "Shiva said, In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and Daksha's daughter gani's womb originated the caste of Jats". (This one suggestes the origin of the caste from Virbhadra and womb of the daughter of Daksha, whose name is gani)

2. Second one is:

Meaning – " Shiva said, In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and daughter of Daksha's gani's womb originated the caste of Jats". (This one suggestes the origin of the caste from Virabhadra and womb of the daughter of Daksha's gani; here I think that maybe gani is used as a word for female ganas, meaning attendents as expalined in the article Ganesha. I have also mentioned the information from the article below.)


I think that the first one is a correct explaination, but I am not 100% sure about it. As there must be a correct expalination in all the articles, please guide me by suggeasting that which one is correct.

Now,

  • I want to know is that whether the first one is a correct expalination of Shloka- 16 or the second one is a correct expalination of the Shloka ??????? (as both of the statements still have Different Meanings)

And please note that: despite of whichever is correct, please note that gani is redirected to gana, wherever it is mentioned in your articles; which itself is redirected to Ganesha, in which the introduction says as follows,

Ganesha (गणेश or श्रीगणेश), "lord of the hosts," also spelled as Ganesa and Ganesh, often also referred to as Ganapati, is one of the most well-known and venerated representations of God. He is the second son of Shiva and Parvati, and the 'consort' of Buddhi. Gaṇas (Devanagari: गण) were attendants of Shiva and lived in Kailasa. Ganesha, second son of Shiva, was chosen as their leader by Shiva, hence his title Ganapati, "lord of ganas".

Also,

  • Should gani be continued to be redirected to gana, in case it is the name of Dsksha's daughter ???????
  • I think that if it's the name of Daksha's daughter, then the first alphabet of her name should be written in captal, like Gani and not gani ???????

I will be greatful to you if you could please answer these 3 questions. Thanks ! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 17:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Gana and Gani

Hardeepji,Gana and Gani are male female combination with same meaning. Gani is not name but more than one daughters. Head of Ganas is Ganesh. So it should be taken that way only. We can delink Gana and Gani from Ganesh. Laxman Burdak 17:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


Respected Sir,

Thank You very much, for being so nice to me, and taking time to work-out my query. I am really greatful to You. This has now boosted my morale, and I will keep working to develop content on Jatland Wiki. Thanks! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 13:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Query: article 'MOR'

Respected Sir,

Today, while visting the page Mor, I found that the Vansh of this Gotra is described to be of Nagavanshi Lineage, in the introduction section.

But Respected Sir:

  • Since Jats are the purest Aryans in India, and belong to the first race of Aryan invaders belonging to “Solar race” . This means that many Jats have the Suryavanshi Lineage.
  • Mahavamsa describes Chandragupta as coming of Kshatriya clan of Maurya:
   "Mauryanam Khattyanam vamsha jata" . (Geiger Trans p 27). It means "Mauryas are Kshatriyas of Jat clan". 

Also, as we all know that in 1979 the famous Jat historian B.S.Dehiya published a paper entitled "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979), p.112-133. And, in this now classic treatise, B.S.Dehiya proved several points, including the following:

  • The Mauryas, Muras, or rather Mors, were Jats, and hence Scythian or East Iranic in origin.
  • The primordial Jat religion was that of the original Iranic race, namely monotheist Sun-worship , which they and their Maga priests carried wherever they migrated (p.119, 128).

[ http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/iranic_identity_of_mauryas1.php ]

Thus, we can conclude that Mor, Maur, Maurya, Mauri are exactly the same people. So, it obviously means that they belongs to the same Vansh too!

Ands we already know that Jats are the purest Aryans in India, and belong to the first race of Aryan invaders belonging to “Solar race” . This means that many Jats have the Suryavanshi Lineage.

Also, by going through the page 118 of the paper entitled "The Mauryas: Their Identity", Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol. 17 (1979) by B.S.Dehiya, we can conclude that:

  • Mor is not an Indian word and has no connection whatsoever with the peacock. It is a Central Asian clan name of the Jats and means the head or crown. That is why Divyāvadāna, the Ceylonese chronicle, states that Mauryas were `crown-headed' kshatriyas (mūrdkābhishiktakshatriyāḥ), because that is exactly the meaning of the word, Mor.

I have check the article Kshatriya on Wikipedia and I have found that they has also accepted Mauryas to be of Suryavanshi Lineage in it. I have also come to know that Mauryas claimes decent from Shri Kush, eldest son of Shri Rama.

So, I think we should list them under the Suryavanshi Lineage. I think we should consider the above mention facts. I would be eagerly waiting for Your reply! Thanks!

Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 22:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Re - Query: article 'MOR'

Hardeepji,

Read more about this on http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_Jati_Ki_Utpatti_Aur_Vistar

We will do change necessary afterward. Regards, Laxman Burdak 03:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Following Up: article 'MOR'

Respected Sir,

As per Your advice, I will definitely go through the suggested Web-page on the Website.

Dear Sir, I have my exams coming this week. So, I would be able to post my views and replies by Monday, or earlier if possible. Thank You so much! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 13:07, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Following up Query: article 'MOR'

Respected Sir,

After going through the following web-pages:

I think we do not have a strong reason to conclude that they cannot not be listed as people belonging to Solar race, and must belong to any other Lineage than this one.

And, after going through the following web-pages:

  • [2] (some home-work done by me)

I believe we have enough a reason, to list them as people belonging to the Solar race.

I think the concept to consider them as people belonging to the Solar race outweighs the Nagavanshi's.

I think we should list them under the people beloging to the Solar race. I believe that we may conclude that they are the purest Aryans in India, and belong to the first race of Aryan invaders belonging to “Solar race” (a legacy of the wonderful research work done by Respected Late Sh. Bhim Singh Dahiya Sir, and extremely wonderful research work by You, Respected Sir).

So, I kindly request that we should consider the above mentioned facts, and list them as people belonging to Solar race (or Suryavanshi Lineage). I am really looking forward to this one, Sir!

Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 09:29, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

And, Respected Sir,

Considering them as people belonging to Solar race (Suryavanshi Lineage), does not contradict with the text from the page: http://www.jatland.com/home/Indo-Aryan_origin_of_Jats ; on which we are highly focused. I request your re-view over my home-work here as well: [3] . I am looking forward for Your response. Thanks!

Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 18:06, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Mor Suryavanshi clan

Thanks Hardeepji, I have done change and added category Suryavanshi to Mor clan. Laxman Burdak 15:12, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Reply :

Respected Sir,

Thank You so much!

This has now boosted my morale, even higher!

Thanks!

Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 08:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Permission Requested !

Respected Sir,

  • As We have successfully concluded that Mor gotra belongs to the Suryavanshi Lineage (Solar race), and not Nagavanshi Lineage; therefore I suggest the removal of खोये मौर्य, मौर्य, मौरी Gotras from the section, here: जाट जाति की उत्पत्ति के सिद्धान्त> नागवंशी मूल> नागवंश से उत्पन्न कुछ जाट गोत्र हैं:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_Jati_Ki_Utpatti_Aur_Vistar#.E0.A4.9C.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.9F_.E0.A4.9C.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.A4.E0.A4.BF_.E0.A4.95.E0.A5.80_.E0.A4.89.E0.A4.A4.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.AA.E0.A4.A4.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A4.E0.A4.BF_.E0.A4.95.E0.A5.87_.E0.A4.B8.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.A6.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A7.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.A8.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A4

of the page: http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_Jati_Ki_Utpatti_Aur_Vistar.

But Sir, as this is page which is of very high importance, so I believe Your approval is a must for doing this.

I think, We should add them to the list, here: जाट जाति की उत्पत्ति के सिद्धान्त> सूर्यवंशी मूल> सूर्यवंश में वर्गीकृत मुख्य जाट गोत्र:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_Jati_Ki_Utpatti_Aur_Vistar#.E0.A4.9C.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.9F_.E0.A4.9C.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.A4.E0.A4.BF_.E0.A4.95.E0.A5.80_.E0.A4.89.E0.A4.A4.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.AA.E0.A4.A4.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A4.E0.A4.BF_.E0.A4.95.E0.A5.87_.E0.A4.B8.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.A6.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A7.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.A8.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A4

So, I seek Your permission from removing them from the former list stated above, and add to the second one stated above.

  • Respected Sir, some time back, I requested a correction in the line: मृत के स्थान पर मत हुआ मिलता है. You told me that We will have to check from the source: ठाकुर गंगासिंह: "जाट शब्द का उदय कब और कैसे", जाट-वीर स्मारिका, ग्वालियर, 1992, पृ. 7.

As, the section: जाट शब्द कैसे बना has been removed from the article page JATS; and a new page has been created (Jat Jati Ki Utpatti Aur Vistar), and it has been added to it (with a title change: ज्ञात से जाट शब्द बना, with some more text added to it). While viewing this page, I have noticed that it has been corrected by You, Sir .

But, as this section (जाट शब्द कैसे बना) appears in some other pages as well like:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Indo-Aryan_origin_of_Jats#.E0.A4.9C.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.9F_.E0.A4.B6.E0.A4.AC.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A6_.E0.A4.95.E0.A5.88.E0.A4.B8.E0.A5.87_.E0.A4.AC.E0.A4.A8.E0.A4.BE

and

http://www.jatland.com/home/Etymology_of_Jat#.E0.A4.9C.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.9F_.E0.A4.B6.E0.A4.AC.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A6_.E0.A4.95.E0.A5.88.E0.A4.B8.E0.A5.87_.E0.A4.AC.E0.A4.A8.E0.A4.BE

I am aware of these two only. So, I have corrected it here as well, after viewing the correction in the page: Jat Jati Ki Utpatti Aur Vistar

But, as this is a very important section too, so, I believe I must let You know about this change done by me. Please let me know, if I have done anything that I shouldn't have.

I would be waiting for Your permission to edit, regarding my first question above. Thanks!

Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 11:12, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

OK

Hardeepji, your changes are OK ! Laxman Burdak 12:56, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Query: replacing Unicode with IPA

Respected Sir,

I have a question for You. Sir, I have noticed that Template:Unicode is simply Not Working on Jatland Wiki, which I believe is a matter of concern! But, I have noticed that using Template:IPA has been a great deal. And, I am already replacing Unicode with IPA; because Unicode is not doing it's job, and which in turn is compromising the quality standard of representation of articles on the site.

Actually, after taking notice of the fact that Unicode is not performing it's job, I decided to loo out for a solution, and I visited this following page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Unicode

And, in it's See Also section I noticed that there are many options available like:

  • Template:IPA — to produce symbols from the International Phonetic Alphabet
  • Template:Mufi — Forces a font which supports the MUFI characters.

And, as I am technically not sound, so I decided to experiment with each-one of the above, And I noticed that Template:IPA is performing the require operation, in which Template:Unicode was not successful. So, wherever I saw that Unicode is not working, I replaced it with IPA.

Should I continue to do so wherever I site such a problem or you have a suggestion for me ??????? Beacuse, so far I have not done much replacements, and I can easily identify and replace them within an hour or two, before the count goes way ahead. But, we should look after the quality standars also.

I also took-up this matter with Respected Dayanand Deswal Sir, and Respected Nitin Dahiya Sir, because Deaswal Sir's talk page suggested that He is quite familier with the Template usage; but both of them have not replied to me, and it's been a very long time since I took up this matter with them. Thanks!

Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 10:48, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Reply:

Respected Sir, Thank You for replying to my query! Thanks! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 17:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


Wiki Upgrade

We upgraded the wiki to the latest release. the editor and the default skin are new as well (still working on optimizing and figuring out the default use experience. The editor is new (UsabilityInitiative) - hindi characters are in it now.

Also - in the forums you can use [wiki] tags - will automatically point to the wiki link: eg: [wiki]Burdak[/wiki] or [wiki=Jats]Intro to Jats[/wiki]

Please have a look at the wiki and report and problems/suggestions (please send PM in forums, not wiki message). thx. नितिन Ndahiya 13:02, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

Re:Wiki Upgrades

Thanks Nitin. Good changes. One problem I am facing is that I had Indic transliterator Embedded with Jatland Wiki for writting Hindi. It has disappeared now. But in forums I do have still Indic transliterator working and can directly write Hindi. Regards,Laxman Burdak 22:54, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

hmmm. i did not see it before, so at a bit of a loss. Will do some research. Ndahiya 13:10, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

Copyright Issue: Requesting Guidance!

Respected Sir,

I hope You are doing great. Sir, I am aware of the fact that submitting any copyrighted work without prior permission is not allowed ; but I have something to discuss here regarding that. Sir, in Jatland Library we have a book namely, History of the Jats by Respected Ram Sarup Joon Sir.

There is a line in this book, which I am interested in posting in some of the selected sections of a few pages as it is written by the author, wherever it's relevent. Please click here to have a look at the statement. Sir, I believe this is an excellent research-work, and I believe it deserves to be on a few relevent pages.

I am asking You about this because We have the whole book here on Jatland Library, and maybe, I have no idea but maybe Jatland Wiki has no copyright issue regarding this book. I am making this guess only because the whole book is in the Jatland Library. So, in case We don't have an copyright issue, then I would like to seek permission to add the statement viewable in the snippet view to various relevent pages; the statement is: Only amongst Jats........... Chandra Vansh; as can be seen by following the url <http://books.google.co.uk/books?ei=gYXFTcTRBIfsrQeXhJXCBA&ct=result&id=fe88AAAAMAAJ&q=Chandra+Vansh#search_anchor >. I want to know Sir, that whether the statement can be added as it is written by the author, just as it is .

Also, in case We may have a copyright issue Sir, could You please elaborate the statement, in a way, in which it does not breach the copyright guidelines, and we can add all the mentioned information as well. I tried to elaborate the statement in my own words, but it's just not working; but You are an expert and You would be able to elaborate it in a better way, in case We cannot add it as it is in the present form. Thanks!

Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 15:28, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

Deswal Gotra page

Namaste Burdak ji. I could not pay attention to wiki as I was in India recently, due to my transfer. Now I am in Switzerland, have broadband connection and hence, would be able to donate more time.

I am still facing problem in regard to uploading of JPG files at wiki. Dndeswal 13:53, 11 October 2011 (EDT) .

Jat institutions

New information on institutionsDrRajpalSingh 11:50, 18 January 2012 (EST)

  • 1 Raja Nahar Singh Sports Stadium, Faridabad. International Cricket Matches have been organised here in the past.
  • 2 Chaudhary Bansi Lal Cricket Stadium, Lahli, District Rohtak.

Authors

Kindly visit and give link if you deem it fit. regards.DrRajpalSingh 12:38, 18 January 2012 (EST)

line 69 of my talk page - my comments

Jat Institutions

older version will be more appropriate as both of these stadiums are not monuments but institutions.

I have noted the signing system and will follow it in future edits. Thanks kindly guide me if we could add to it important parks to this list like Chaudhary Devi Lal Herbal Park, Chuharpur [Dist. Yamunanagar]DrRajpalSingh 22:09, 18 January 2012 (EST)

line 69 of my talk page - my comments

==Jat Institutions== older version will be more appropriate as both of these stadiums are not monuments but institutions. I have noted the signing system and will follow it in future edits. Thanks kindly guide me if we could add to it important parks to this list like ==Chaudhary Devi Lal Herbal Park, Chuharpur [Dist. Yamunanagar]==DrRajpalSingh 22:10, 18 January 2012 (EST)

Other Monuments

I have added these names at Other Monuments section under in Jat Monuments page. Laxman Burdak 22:40, 18 January 2012 (EST)

Regarding line 75, Your message

Burdakji you are right these may be treated as memorials/monuments. I have noted your advice regarding putting the signatures. thanks and regards.DrRajpalSingh 08:54, 19 January 2012 (EST)

Famous Jats from Delhi

one man described on two pages. Please delete one of the entries on Ch. Hira Singh/Chaudhary Hira SinghDrRajpalSingh 09:00, 21 January 2012 (EST)

minor editing

Respected Burdakji,

Famous People Delhi Jats

kindly refer to the entry: "Mangu Singh (Dabas) is to succed the present Metro Chief of Delhi. He is from Bijnor, Uttar Pradesh. He is IIT from Roorkee." I think Mangu Singh must be placed in Bijnor UPJats page and not in Delhi Jats. Thanks. DrRajpalSingh 05:51, 22 January 2012 (EST)

minor editing needed

Respected Burdakji, Posts on Jats of Punjab and Jats of Pakistan are identical for Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi and Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain etc. Further let me know if we can add other Muslim Jats too in the wiki home.

regardsDrRajpalSingh 07:23, 23 January 2012 (EST)

Muslim Jats

Rajpalji, You can add here - Muslim Jat Gotras

Laxman Burdak 10:20, 24 January 2012 (EST)

Respected Burdakji,

In district Bhiwani there is a village named Kakrauli of the Sheoran Jats. This may be added.

RegardsDrRajpalSingh 10:04, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Minor change required

Burdak Ji

Tiku Ram Jaisinghpura was from village Jaisinghpura Jhunjhunu, District Jhunjhunu, Rajasthan. He was killed by the people sent at the behest of the Jagirdar at village Jaisinghpura Jhunjhunu in Jhunjhunu district on 21 June 1934.

Kindly shift this entry from Jats in Sikar district to Jats from Jhunjhunu.

RegardsDrRajpalSingh 07:03, 1 February 2012 (EST)DrRajpalSingh 08:28, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Famous Jats from Haryana

Mani Ram Bagri DrRajpalSingh 08:27, 1 February 2012 (EST)

created page.Laxman Burdak 10:41, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Kakroli Haryana

Sir there are two Kakrolis one is known as Kakroli and other is known as Kakroli Sardara in Bhiwani district of Haryana and they belong to Sheoran Jats and are adjacent to each other.DrRajpalSingh 08:35, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Kakroli Haryana

See Kakroli Sardara Laxman Burdak 10:13, 30 January 2012 (EST) Sir there are two Kakrolis one is known as Kakroli and other is known as Kakroli Sardara in Bhiwani district of Haryana and they belong to Sheoran Jats and are adjacent to each other.DrRajpalSingh 08:35, 1 February 2012 (EST) Rajpalji there are two more villages Kakroli Hatti, Kakroli Hukmi in Chrkhi Dadriu tahsil with Sheoran Gotra. Is there some more Kakroli ?Laxman Burdak 10:29, 1 February 2012 (EST) Thanks, You are right. Treat this suggestion (Kakroli) as withdrawn and hence cancelled. Inconvenience caused is regretted.DrRajpalSingh 10:57, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Kind attention please

Jat Educational Institutes

  • Sri Baldev Ram Mirdha Shikshan Sansthan, Kalyanpur, district Barmer, Rajasthan
  • Tikka Ram College of Education, Sonipat, HaryanaDrRajpalSingh 10:30, 2 February 2012 (EST)DrRajpalSingh 10:38, 2 February 2012 (EST)

Kindly elaborate the point

Shri Burdakji,

The role or contribution or industrial background of the entry needs a bit more clarity:

"Rupa Ram Murawatia is an Industrialist from village Bhakaron ki Dhani, Nagaur, Rajasthan."

RegardsDrRajpalSingh 10:42, 4 February 2012 (EST)

Please create Jat villages Pages

Harnaul, Kalanor, also spelt as Kalanaur of Narwal gotra Jats

Sadhura in Yamunanagar disttDrRajpalSingh 07:47, 8 February 2012 (EST)

Thanks for creating new village links

Burdk Ji,

Thanks for creating Harnaul etc in Ynr distt. DrRajpalSingh 07:12, 9 February 2012 (EST)

Please check and Rectify

Burdak Ji,

Kindly check in the famous Jats category --advocates--that Advocate Vinay Chhikara, and Chaudhary Vinay Chikara are given two pages and is the same person. Kindly rectify after checking it. Thanks. DrRajpalSingh 12:14, 9 February 2012 (EST)

RE: Article Name

Hello Dear Respected Sir,

Thanks You for taking notice & working-out on My request. thanks! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 03:39, 14 February 2012 (EST)

Please remove it from the list of Arya Samaj followers among the Jats

Guru Jambheshwar (born 1451) (also called Jambhoji) was born in Panwar gotra Jats at village Peepasar in Nagaur district. He was a strong follower of Arya Samaj.

Since Arya Samaj was founded in 1875, how one can reconcile the full narrative on Guru Jambheswar in this category. Kindly check out and create some other page.DrRajpalSingh 13:41, 14 February 2012 (EST)

Removed ! Thanks.

Lok Devata Teja Ji (Hindi) and Veer Tejaji

Two separate pages not required for one deity. Kindly look into the matter.DrRajpalSingh 13:11, 15 February 2012 (EST)

Rajpalji, Lok Devata Tejaji is page for Hindi content and Tejaji is for English content. Pages are too long So we have kept two separate pages. Regards, Laxman Burdak 22:01, 15 February 2012 (EST)

Saving long pages

Rajpalji, Saving long pages takes time. So better edit such pages section wise. After editing see that page has been saved and full content is visible. If we save in hurry and move to other pages in between it may be fatal for the page. You may loose a huge content. As it happened while you edited Arya Samaj page. A huge content got deleted. This change is visible when you see Recent changes in left panel. It appears with minus sign and red entry. I had to revert but in that case your editions get lost. It is better to open each section edit and save. Regards, Laxman Burdak 11:49, 16 February 2012 (EST)

Burdak Sahib, Please generate pages for

New Jat Villages in Yamunanagar District

Dadupur Saron Gotra Jat village, Panjeton, Munda Khera, Bhut Majra, Chaneti, Sugh, DrRajpalSingh 22:06, 20 February 2012 (EST)

Jat Village Jagadhri Tahsil, Yamunanagar

kind attention Burdakji

Two Jat villages in Yamunanagar

Please create two more pages; kind attention Burdakji,

  • Kapal Mochan- is a historical village near Bilaspur in Jagadhri tahsil of District Yamunanagar.
  • Chorahi - near Bilaspur in Jagadhri tahsil of District Yamunanagar DrRajpalSingh 12:19, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Chaneti stupa file

file uploaded, kindly use it in Yamunanagar district Jat villages pageDrRajpalSingh 04:51, 22 February 2012 (EST)

correction please

Sub Category Jat Villages in Haryana needs deletion of one Mahendergarh district entry which appears twice.

Kind attention Burdakji.DrRajpalSingh 12:01, 23 February 2012 (EST)

Addition of gohtra

Hi Please add this "Gohtra" the jat from this gohtra is common in western up and the village next to ch charan Singh ji all jars are from this community. Thanks vishvender singh

Request to edit the page for addition of gotra

Ram Ram Lakshman ji ,

The name of gotra is "Gohtra" please include this in the list. The village name is "GADI-KAKORI" is next to the village of ch charan Singh ji

Thanks & Regards Vishvender Singh

Please let me know after adding it

Massagetae

Respected Sir,

I have done some changes and added some text to the article 'Massagetae. I kindly request You to have a look, because the representation is also changes to some extent. Please go through this edit. If I have done any mistake, then please let Me aware of that. Thanks! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 12:22, 28 February 2012 (EST)

Gudania village in the list of Jat villages of Jhunjhunu Raj

Burdakji, kindly check out and make suitable amendment as description shows it a Jat gotra name not village name. regardsDrRajpalSingh 07:23, 4 March 2012 (EST)

Done ! Laxman Burdak 07:39, 4 March 2012 (EST)

please fix this one

Respected Sir, please go through the following lines, that are from the page 'Tejoo_Peer#.E0.A4.A4.E0.A5.87.E0.A4.9C.E0.A5.82.E0.A4.AA.E0.A5.80.E0.A4.B0_.E0.A4.95.E0.A4.BE_.E0.A4.9C.E0.A4.A8.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.AE':

वीर तेजूपीर का जन्म सींवर गोत्री जाट परिवार में हुआ. इनके पिताजी का नाम बिसू जी था. बेसू जी का विवाह नाथूराम जी धीरावत की पुत्री राजकुमारी रामादेवी के साथ हुआ.

Here, His respected Father's name appears at-least twice in the paragraph. There seems to be a typing (or more probably a language-to-language translation) error, as the name is said to be बिसू जी & बेसू जी; please confirm from the source (book) that which's the correct one!

Also, please go through this edit as well. Thanks! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 09:57, 4 March 2012 (EST)

बिसूजी is correct. Laxman Burdak 20:46, 6 March 2012 (EST)
Thanks !! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 03:42, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Wiki edits depiction on Jat forums page and Wiki section Variation, Burdak ji kindly check and sort out.

My record at wiki page shows 489 442 988 DrRajpalSingh (Talk | contribs), whereas in personal depiction the data does not tally with the number of wiki edits. Please see personally. Would you kindly check the cause of this variation, if possible rectify it and inform me about the reason as to why it is so..DrRajpalSingh 12:25, 4 March 2012 (EST)

Badsar Gotra, Badesara Village

Badsar Gotra, Badesara Village Need separate pages :Kind attention Burdakji.DrRajpalSingh 13:54, 4 March 2012 (EST) Burdakji Kindly look into it as it appears in Jat village list.

See now Village - Badesra Bhiwani, Gotra - Badsar

Nara is a gotra not village name as given in the list of Jind villages

Nara (नारा) is gotra of Jats in Haryana and Madhya Pradesh. need separate page in gotra list not in village list.DrRajpalSingh 12:12, 7 March 2012 (EST)

They are also settled in the village Naguran in Jind district Haryana, where they are known as "Mirdha".

Kindly rectify.DrRajpalSingh 14:22, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Sir, Nara is definitely a gotra as per the references. I believe Nara is villages' name also, in Panipat & Hisar. So, for villages' pages, the articles' title can be Nara, Panipat & Nara, Hisar. See: Nara, Narnaund, Hisar & Nara, Madlauda, Panipat. Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 12:48, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Dear Moar Sahib, Agreed. That is why, I have only said that Nara gotra page should be given at separate page and Jat Villages section should be given separate section and pages for each village separately.DrRajpalSingh 13:13, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Adampur villages

Kindly create three separate pages for Adampur villages.DrRajpalSingh 07:07, 7 March 2012 (EST)

See now Adampur --Laxman Burdak 09:24, 7 March 2012 (EST) notedDrRajpalSingh 23:49, 10 March 2012 (EST)

Achal gotra of Jats and Achal village Nabha district

Burdakji, Kindly give separate pages one each to both of these two.DrRajpalSingh 12:09, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Chaudhary is title not the Gotra of Jats

Burdakji, Chaudhary has been given a page in the category of the gotras of the Jats but description and references do not show that it is so. Kindly clarify the real position. for your ready reference the quote is produced as under:

Chaudhari (चौधरी) Chaudhary (चौधरी) Choudhari (चौधरी) Choudhary (चौधरी) is title of Jats. These were empowered to collect taxes in certain villages. [1] रतन लाल मिश्र[2]लिखते हैं कि एक दूसरा प्रमाण भी है जो फतेहपुर नगर के बसने की बात को थोड़ा पीछे ले जाता है. फ़तेहखां फतेहपुर आया तो अपने साथ पंडित, सेठ, साहूकार लेकर आया. श्री किशनलाल ब्रह्मभट्ट की बही के लेख से ज्ञात होता है कि फ़तेहखां हिसार से संवत 1503 (1446 ई.) में ही इधर आ गया था. इस बही में यों लिखा है - "हरितवाल गोडवाल नारनोल से फतेहपुर आया, संवत 1503 की साल नवाब फ़तेहखां की वार में चौधरी गंगाराम की बार में." [edit]References

↑ Dr Mahendra Singh Arya, Dharmpal Singh Dudee, Kishan Singh Faujdar & Vijendra Singh Narwar: Ādhunik Jat Itihasa (The modern history of Jats), Agra 1998 p.242 ↑ रतन लाल मिश्र:शेखावाटी का नवीन इतिहास, कुटीर प्रकाशन मंडावा, 1998, पृ. 89 DrRajpalSingh 13:37, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Kadiyan gotra not Jat village

Burdakji, it is sugested kindly to shift Page Kadiyan from Jat village list to Jat gotra section. DrRajpalSingh 23:47, 10 March 2012 (EST)

Dear Rajpal Sir, I have heard that several villages inhabited by Jats are named after the gotra of the person who established them 'or' had a strong-hold over that area. I guess this trend is not limited to Jats only, but other martials also. Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 01:43, 11 March 2012 (EST)
Qadiyan is village in Phillaur tahsil in Jalandhar district in Punjab, India. Similarly Kadiyan is village in Ludhiana West Tahsil in Ludhiana district, Punjab. Hence in list of Villages also. Regards.--Laxman Burdak 01:50, 11 March 2012 (EST)

Please add Categories

Hello Dear Sir, Please add the respective categories to these two articles: (1) Latvia (2) Lithuania. Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 12:56, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

Jat Gotra families in villages

Rajpalji Jat Gotra families in a village are indicated by number in bracket with each Gotra. This gives a relative strength of Gotras. This is kept with purpose as largest population is earliest inhabitant. Fewer families are later migrants. Similarly population of other castes are indicating demography of the village so there is no harm in keeping them. These figures are useful statistics if some member has provided. So we need do not delete these figures. Regards, --Laxman Burdak 05:19, 23 March 2012 (EDT)

Jat village tehsil Jagadhri

Burdak Ji, Kindly add to the gotra list page some of the Jat villages from Jagadhri added by me in the last 2/3 days as I am not aware how to do it. Thanks and regards.DrRajpalSingh 13:50, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

I have cheked and updated. Thanks.Laxman Burdak 23:08, 1 April 2012 (EDT) Thanks

Please check

Suriyas (सूरियास) is a village in Degana tehsil of Nagaur district in Rajasthan.

But population figures based on external link names another village; please check and rectify if necessary. RegardsDrRajpalSingh 12:21, 5 April 2012 (EDT) Thanks DrRajpalSingh 12:39, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Minor editing needed Ajaib Jat Village

Two pages allotted to one Ajaib village

Burdakji for your kind attention and editing please: Ajaib village is located near Madina (4kms on Delhi-Hisar Road) in tehsil Meham(12kms), district Rohtak (22kms) in Haryana.DrRajpalSingh 12:17, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Ajaib :Index Jat villages in India

Burdak ji Kindly see index which has two Ajaib for one and the same village: Jat Villages list starting with A

............. Ajaib (अजायब), Ajaib(अजायब),DrRajpalSingh 12:34, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Deleted one. Thanks. Laxman Burdak 12:40, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

query !!

Respected Sir, I was thinking about creating separate Wiki articles for User:Grewalpwn, User:Abhishekkadyan, and User:Anuragsunda. But, should it be done (?!) ; as, they are themselves present here on Wiki as Users !! Or rather than creating separate article, the respective categories should be added to their USer page, and add them to the respective lists that applied to them as per their achievements !! Please let Me aware about this. Thanks !! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 00:48, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

Hardeep ji, Right now we can use their respective user pages and create categories there itself. Later on we can think of creating separate pages. Thanks. Laxman Burdak 06:45, 15 April 2012 (EDT)
OK Sir, Thanks !! Sincerely: Hardeep Moar 07:07, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

Thakur Deshraj Book.

Burdak ji, Namaste.

I have created the page on Jat Itihas and started making a Wiki version. Please see whether the title page looks alright. - Dndeswal 11:42, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

Namaskar Deswalji it is Wonderful ! I have done some formating in first chapter. Keep it up we will improve format as work of wikifying advances. Laxman Burdak 12:41, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

baran

Burdak Ji, kindly check and rectify if necessary. Atru is a village and tahsil headquarters of Atru in Baran district in Rajasthan. But it has been shown in the index as a village in Banswara district in Rajasthan.DrRajpalSingh 14:42, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

Corrected. Thanks !!! Laxman Burdak 00:00, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

Shergarh Nathori in Karnal two villages one page

Shergarh Nathori Shergarh Nathori are two villages nearby to each other and situated in Indri , Karnal , Haryana with different Jat gotras. So different pages needed. Kind attention Burdakji. DrRajpalSingh 13:22, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

Shergarh Nathori in Karnal two villages one page

Shergarh Nathori I and Shergarh Nathori II will do.DrRajpalSingh 22:23, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

Jat Itihas chapter 7

Burdak ji, Namaste. The text insertion by me is in progress. I have doubt about chapter 7. You had sent text in MS word by e-mail (forwarded by Ravi Chaudhary). There, chapter 7 contains only 18 pages. Whereas on the index page of wiki, you have indicated : सप्तम अध्याय: पंजाब और जाट....200-553 (i.e. it seems to be a bulky chapter, containing some 253 pages of the printed book). Since you have got the original printed book, please check about it. Dndeswal 07:16, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Deswalji Namaskar

Punjab Chapter is too long. You can skip and proceed to next chapters. Regards, Laxman Burdak 10:17, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

Important dates: 15th May 2011 , M S Tikait Passed away

Burdakji for your kind attention.


Mahendra Singh Tikait - A popular leader of farmers from Uttar Pradesh is no more. Mahendra Singh Tikait breathed his last on 15 May 2011.

DrRajpalSingh (talk) 00:42, 17 May 2012 (EDT)

Calandar of important dates Wiki page

Burdakji, Kindly see if M S Tikait's dates are included in this page for further easy reference. I tried to edit but could not do so. DrRajpalSingh (talk) 23:26, 17 May 2012 (EDT)

Jat History by Thakur Deshraj

Deswalji I would suggest to change the title page of this book from 'Jat Itihas' to 'Jat History by Thakur Deshraj' so that even non Hindi people can also know about this book. If you agree we can do it. Laxman Burdak (talk) 00:24, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Title of Book

Burdak ji, I had earlier named the page as you have now suggested. But it was somehow redirected to a different page, by mistake -

Jat History Thakur Deshraj

Please correct this and rename "Jat Itihas" page as "Jat History Thakur Deshraj". Dndeswal (talk) 01:37, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Fixed Jat History to Jat History Thakur Deshraj and corrected in other associated pages. See now it is OK? Laxman Burdak (talk) 10:15, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Barli in Jodhpur or Nagaur

Barli (बडली) is a village in district Jodhpur of Rajasthan. Page in Nagaur but description contains Jodhpur, check please, Burdak ji. DrRajpalSingh (talk) 01:59, 22 May 2012 (EDT)

Create two pages for Jat villages

Burdakji,

Separate pages for the two Jat villages: 1. Kaleron Ka Bas district Jhunjhunu Rajasthan

and 2; Village Mauri near Balkara village in tehsil Dadri of Bhiwani district Haryana may be created.DrRajpalSingh (talk) 00:22, 24 May 2012 (EDT)

Created Kaleron Ka Bas and Mori Bhiwani Laxman Burdak (talk) 00:37, 24 May 2012 (EDT)

Two Maan Gotra Jat villages

Maan gotra Jat Villages in Baghpat district are

Sanoli, Adarsh Nangla,

Burdakji kindly create 2 pages for these villages. DrRajpalSingh (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2012 (EDT)

Minor clarification: regarding Badak gotra Jats page

Badak (बड़क) Badak (बड़ाक) Barak (बड़क) Jats live in Haryana, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh. They are Agnivanshi Chauhans. It is same as Burdak which is sanscritized form of Badak.

Burdakji,

Either they are Agnivanshi Chauhans or they belong to Mahabharta period Aryan lineage as described in the subsequent para on the origin of the Gotra; but they cannot be both? DrRajpalSingh (talk) 00:58, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Thakur Deshraj Jat History

Burdak ji, please fix the problem on these two pages (something is appearing in red colour) - पृथम संस्करण की प्रस्तावना, पृथम संस्करण की भूमिका - Dndeswal (talk) 08:37, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

Deswalji fixed the problem. Laxman Burdak (talk) 10:55, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

Regarding a Gotra Named "GOBYA" or Gobiya"

Ram ram Sa burdak saheb .......... baat ye hai ki mere paas ek gaav hai jiska naam hai harsoli. us gaam me "Gobya" gotra ke jaat rah hai. par mujhe is gotra k baare m kuchh bhi nahi mila JL par. kuch lights dalo to zaraaa ...... Regards. Apka Sitaram (talk) 06:46, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

Sita Ramji, I have created page Gobya. We will expand it when find more info. Laxman Burdak (talk) 23:56, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

Arya as Sikh gotra

Burdakji,

We never come across any Sikh having Arya as Jat Sikh gotra. So its mention on the page of sikh gotra seems a bit out of place. DrRajpalSingh (talk) 12:56, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Shifting of page Hunjan

Burdakji,

Hunjan is a Muslim Jat clan found in Pakistan.May be shifted From Jat gotra page to Muslim Jat gotra page, if you deem it fit to do so.

Regards.

DrRajpalSingh (talk) 10:59, 9 August 2012 (EDT)

Re:Shifting of page Hunjan

Dr Rajpalji, There are two pages Hujan and Hunjan. Dera Ghazi Khan has : Hujan (733) population. We are thinking to make a unified list of Jat clans. These are already Categorized as Muslim Jat clans. Let us keep it here till we find its more distribution. Laxman Burdak (talk) 06:53, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

the gotra kodan is pronounced as kodaan.,.,(कोड़ान)

Punjab Chapter - Jat History Thakur Deshraj

Burdak ji, Namaste. While I am uploading text after conversion from scanned pages sent by you, a few of them have a line or two missing in each of them (last lines at the bottom of the page). This is because the book might be tilted at the scanner at the time of scanning. So far, the pages Nos. are 301, 310, 311 and 314. I am putting ????? marks for missing lines. Please correct those few words at the web-pages, rather than scanning these again and sending to me.

Secondly, the Punjab chapter, when completed, would contain about 351 pages (of the book), hence, the longest web-page. You may consider bifurcating this chapter into two or three separate sub-pages (also showing in the main index). Thanks, Regards. - Dndeswal (talk) 16:10, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

One Virendra Verma :Two wiki separate pages

Burdak Ji, In famous Jat Section U P, Justice Virendra Verma and another page assigned to Virendra Verma contain identical information on one person. Would it not be better to merge them in one because the person concerned was at no time Justice. Thanks DrRajpalSingh (talk) 22:52, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

Samprati Maurya

Friend, In Jat rulers of India visit and make necessary corrections and adjustments to my entry please. Thanks Samparti Maurya son of Dashratha and grandson of Asoka was a great patron of Jainism, who, according to Jinaprabhasuri ruled at Patliputra as ‘’lord of Bharata with its three continents, and was the great Arhanta to establish Viharas for Sramanas even in non-Aryan countries.” The dominions of Samprati probably also included Avanti and Western India. DrRajpalSingh (talk) 00:12, 9 October 2012 (EDT)

Ruler or only Famous people Freedom fighter

Kunwar Hukam Singh has been inserted in the category of famous rulers and Famous Jats but he was not a Ruler. Burdakji this is for your kind attention.

Famous Jat Yes. Ruler No

Khemkaran has been inserted in the category of famous rulers whereas he was never a king but was just a Faujdar, petty officer under the Mughals. He nay be shifted to the category of Famous Jats but not as a Ruler. Burdakji this is for your kind attention.

Inscriptions

Dear Respected Sir, I have made an attempt to list all the Inscriptions at Wiki under one link Inscriptions. I think You would certainly like to add some text out there. But, there are some comments posted by User:Drssrana2003 earlier on; and so, I have not removed them; so, would You please review the page on request, and put the comments at the respective page where they should have been posted. Thanks !! Sincerely, Hardeep Moar (talk) 03:53, 25 October 2012 (EDT)

Good attempt ! I have moved the comment to respective page.Laxman Burdak (talk) 03:56, 25 October 2012 (EDT)
Thank You, Dear Sir !! Sincerely, Hardeep Moar (talk) 04:03, 25 October 2012 (EDT)

Tomar Gotra Page

Burdak ji, Namaste. It seems that "Tomar" gotra page has been vastly amended by user JEETUTOMARJAT recently. I see that though he has added a lot of hindi text, many earlier paras in English have been removed. Kindly look into it. I am busy in typing "Punjab chapter", hence may not be able to look to other pages till Punjab chapter is completed. Thanks.

tomar

respectable sir, main n hindi m iss liye likha h ta ki gramin jat or arts k jat yuva isko pad se kyu ki rajasthan m jato m aaj bhi english knowledge kam h kya m enghlish n likh sakta hu m hindi k page ek ek gaam ka bare m information likh duga i knm about it kuntal tomar gotra m shadi nhi hote h bhai ki tere h m aap ko kuntal gotra k older persons se bat karwa sakta hu tanwar gotra k 74 gaam nhi h gaziyabad m

tanwar to only palwal k area m h ek gaam salimpur bharatpur m gaziyabad m tomar rajput adik h jat tomar kam h jo h wo hapur m

SIR Alka Tomar RAJPUT HAI

sir dagur khap has 37 village before 1997 in bharatpur in 1997 karouli made adistrict 24 village now in karouli

burdak sir must rly i m waiting

बुरडक सर जी आप आप मेरा मार्ग दर्शन करो और मुझे यह बताए की तुअर और तोमर एक ही है क्या ? क्यों की अनंगपाल को तुअर भी लिखा है कई किताबो में है

किताब -जाट बलवान , जाट इतिहास (1991) महेंद्र कुमार शास्त्री मधुर प्रकाशन ,2804 आर्य समाज मंदिर बाज़ार सीताराम ,देहली 11006 किताब मई कुंतल ,सलकालन, चाबुक ,तंवर एक गोत्र बताया गया है । आप से निवदन है की आप मेरे को सही इतिहास बताये आप को इस क्षेत में अधिक ज्ञान है मीठे तोमर कोनसा गोत्र है ।

some village is missing in list of bharatpur some spilling mistake

example in nadbai user write village name but name is usher , insome village wair tehsil kumar is missing as candoli, kasot

how can i upload

how can i upload a jpeg file picture sir . are you satisfied with my work . sir ji in afew time after log in system automatically log off. are you making time limit for me. happy diwali sir ji.

there is two things is wrong in gotra hindan, hindon is written in jaipur but it is in karauli district.the area is called jagroti.

and chabuk is a tittle of tomar jats in aligarh not a gotra. i have many tomar friends in aligarh they says plz correct it .

in post hstory of pisawa in hindi section . they belong pirthla (palwal) about 800 year ago.some tomar jat use pandav and parth surname in agra & mathura area also.lke pura village neem gaon village tomar use . a gotra bawaliya in jaipur bassi ,viratnagar is also belong baoli( bawali) village . which is tomar village in baghpat district.i have deatil about it . i purely jat .so i like jats history from childhood.but i am a same as your son's so if there is something wrong with my words plz give me mericy.sir you done a great job in jats field.plz suggest me -- your faithfully jeetu tomar --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 02:33, 13 November 2012 (EST)

Dear Jeetu, you can use 'Upload file' on left side to upload file on Jatland Wiki. Kindly give the link of page here where you want correction. I will do it. Laxman Burdak (talk) 03:32, 13 November 2012 (EST)

Add villages

SIR JI THERE ARE SOME VILLAGE NAME IS MISSING IN KHANDAR TAHSIL EX. KUSTALA (JAT VILLAGE),KHANJWA(). PLZ ADD ELSE GIVE ME PERMISSION DO THIS. --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 23:49, 13 November 2012 (EST)

You can add villages in tahsil. Go ahead.Laxman Burdak (talk) 00:14, 14 November 2012 (EST)

just give answer

Some thing more about jat Gotras Taur- Tomar Jat Gotra is the same Sardar Partap Singh Cario Ex CM Panjab was a Taur Jats. Tomar in Hindi and Taur in Panjabi and Desi Boli is same Tomar jat gotra of Raja Anagpal Tomar. I met many Taur Panjabi Jatt Sikh in Jaipur. They told me their origin is also from Delhi area same Raja Anagpal Tomar.


is this ture if yes than why in jatland write tuar as rajput orginated.

is Bhinda and Bhinder different gotra bhinda is ub gotra of bhind tanwer(Tomar)

Dhoon and Bhatti are same gotra . dhoon orginated by dunaji . son of haraji bhatti who found harnawa i reab it in a article written by ramaram dhoon pujari of ranabhai mandir (publish in 1999).bhatti hindu jats have 6 village in alwar district (laxmangarh tahsil). if some thing wrong than i can give u prove for it . because i have realtion in bhatti jats hindu. at present time they go to ranabhai mandir from alwar.they come here(alwar).when dryness that area (about 250 year ago) --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 12:11, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Jituji we write content in Jatland Wiki with reference where it is published. So if you add content with reference that will be useful and we will add accordingly. Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:18, 15 November 2012 (EST)

kalsia misal

Burdakji, kindly change name of the page at wiki from Kalsa Misal‎; to Kalsia misal, which is proper and actual name. ThanksDrRajpalSingh (talk) 13:59, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Moved to Kalsia Misal. Thanks. Laxman Burdak (talk) 21:49, 15 November 2012 (EST)

भाटी और धुणा

हरजीराम भाटी के दो बेटे थे । बड़ा कानाजी,छोटा धुणा जी ।कानाजी एक संत बन गए,जबकि धुणा जी ने धुणासर गाँव बसाया जो की आज भी है रामदेवरा से 8 कि . मी दूर है क्योंकी हरजीराम भाटी हरनावा गाँव बसाया था जो की परबतसर में है .वो जैसलमेर से आये थे पोकरण के पास से जब वहा पर पर अकाल पड़ गया तब उनके गाँव ने मालवा (मंदसोर ) जाने जाने की सोची क्योंकी हरजीराम भाटी सरदार थे जब उन्होंने यहाँ पर पानी देखा तो हरनावा गाँव बसाया धुणाजी को अपने पूर्वजो के गाँव देखने की इच्छा हुई तो वो जैसलमेर आये यहा उन्होंने (धुणाजी ने) धुणासर गाँव बसाया| लेकिन कुछ समय बाद हरनावा गाँव आ गये उनका बेटे का जालम सिंह था जालम सिंह के बेटे का नाम रामसिंह था रामसिंह के बेटे का नाम रामगोपाल था उनकी शादी गंगा देवी (गढ़वाल गोत्री ) से हुई उनकी बेटी रानाबाई का जन्म सम्वत 1561 (10 अप्रेल 1504) आखा तीज को हुआ इस तहरे भाटी और धुणा एक ही गोत्र है --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 12:59, 16 November 2012 (EST)

village name

sir some village name same so i add tahsil name with village

Book Name

pulish in 2000 augest ( jat samaj) told bt ramaram dhun pujjari of ranabai mandir harnawa.

Book Name

publish in 2000 July( Ranabai ka itihas jat samaj) told by ramaram dhun pujjari of ranabai mandir harnawa. JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 02:33, 17 November 2012 (EST)

इब्राहिमपुर,

इब्राहिमपुर, (अब्इब्राहिमपुर) एक तोमर गोत्र का गाँव है जो उत्तरप्रदेश की राजनीति के कारण कभी बुलंदशहर में आज गौतमबुद्ध नगर में है लेकिन खुर्जा के पास है तो अब कोनसे जिले में लिखू सर जी JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 02:37, 17 November 2012 (EST) --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 02:37, 17 November 2012 (EST)

SIR JI

sir yeh points se kya hota hai plz tell me --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 22:26, 17 November 2012 (EST)

shows your activity level on Jatland.Laxman Burdak (talk) 22:34, 17 November 2012 (EST)

SIR JI must rply

तुअर गोत्र की उत्पति राजपूत तोमरो से लिख रख की है जाटलैंड में जबकि तुअर सिख जट है तोमर भी जाट होते है तो बीच में राजपूत कहा से हो गये जबकि तुअर आज भी जट है यह राजपूत वाला फंड पंडितो ने बनाया है यही हाल भिंड तोमरो का है

हम कहते हैं कि तोमर राजपूत ही तोमर जाटों से निकले है कि जाट शब्द राजपूत शब्द से कई शताब्दियों पहले का है क्योंकि राजपूत शब्द को कोई भी इतिहासकार छठी शताब्दी से पहले का नहीं बतलाता। लेकिन जाट शब्द जो कि पाणिनि के धातुपाठ व चन्द्र के व्याकरण में क्रमशः ईसा से एक हजार वर्ष पूर्व और ईसा से 400 वर्ष पीछे का लिखा हुआ मिलता है इस बात का प्रमाण है कि जाट शब्द राजपूत शब्द से प्राचीन है। ऐसी दशा में संभव यही हुआ करता है कि पुरानी चीज में से नई चीज बना करती है। --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2012 (EST)

तोमर मूल रूप से जाट हैं उनमें से कुछ राजपूत बन गए। यही अपना पक्ष है। जहाँ राजपूत से लिखा है उसको सुधार दो। Laxman Burdak (talk) 23:13, 17 November 2012 (EST)

some village

sir baswa tahsil (dausa) ke kuch gaon me haryana ke jato ne zamin le rakhi hai to kya un gaon ke naam bhi add karne hai kya sir ji --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 10:59, 18 November 2012 (EST)

gaanv men gotr likh do aur history men likh do ki haryana se san ... men aakar base hain. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:09, 18 November 2012 (EST)

tomar gotra ka itihas

sir Galati se ho gya tha me ne dubara likh diya tha. sir net ki speed low ho gye thi so sorry sir .give me sorry for this sir it is just suddenly ho gya tha. kya sir me hawa singh ji reference de sakta hu unke dura likhe book ke upper. sir kya me desh khap ka kuch itihas main page par hindi me likh sakta . --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 11:28, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Hawa Singh Sangwan - ref jarur den
Deshkhap - yahan likhen fir jod denge mainpajpr. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:32, 19 November 2012 (EST)

रघुवंशी गोत्र

सर जी रघुवंशी गोत्र की खाप है बाल्यान , आप ने दोनों को अलग अलग बता रखा है रघुवंशी और बाल्यान एक ही है तो इस को सही कर दे सर जी यह बिलकुल सही बात है , जो रामचंद के वंश के है राम भगवान भी रघुवंशी ही थे कुश के वंशज कुशवाहा कहलाते है लव के रघुवंशी ही कहलाते है --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 02:07, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Let it develop for some more time. We will keep separate but put a note on each about this fact.Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:01, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Jat people article on wikipedia

The Jat people page on wiki has been hijacked by a few users (sitush,sikh history) who are hell bent on not letting any + ve things said about jats.

  • I have changed the Introduction line to "jats are an elite cultivating caste" by providing multiple links. However, both of them conspired to get me blocked for 24 hours. IT seems that they are going to *revert back to the denigrating introduction of "jats are a non-elite tilling caste" every time. We must organize ourselves to fight against these people who try to sully the image of jats.
  • If2-3 Jat users together work on editing the Jat people wikipedia article, only then it can be suitably changed.

Tomar7 (talk) 14:06, 2 December 2012 (EST)

We need to provide info on Wikipedia with references. Decisions are taken by majority so your idea is welcome. There is need to make Jat people article a positive one. Laxman Burdak (talk) 22:34, 2 December 2012 (EST)

Sir, I have already changed the 1st line to a more respectable one, by providing 5 diff references. But, I think it will be reverted soon by Sitush or SIkhHistory.Tomar7 (talk) 23:00, 2 December 2012 (EST)

Needs Editing

Editing needed, Burdakji.

Ch. Vikram Singh Siwach Currently Living at Delhi, see this one for example. It would be in fitness of things that Several other pages that have been created about persons belonging to Siwach gotra in his village by him also need re[look or merged into the page allotted to Siwach gotra at appropriate place please. DrRajpalSingh (talk) 08:20, 8 December 2012 (EST)

Edited and created separate villages pages. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:05, 8 December 2012 (EST)

Reset pages request

Burdakji,

Please insert proper spelling of gotra Phogat for these freedom fighters from Rohtak:

Smt.Nantidevi Phogat was the mother of CH.Hari Ram Phogat from village Bhaaloth of dist. Rohtak, Haryana.She fought for Indian freedom along with her son,doughter-in-lawSmt.Naanhidevi Phoughat ,grand son Karan Singh Phogat and Ch.Bhagat Singh Phogat.

ThanksDrRajpalSingh (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2012 (EST)

Jat Princely states

  • 1. Pilania Jats, Rajas of Unchagaon (Bulandshahar)
  • 2. Dalal Jats, Rajas of Kuchesar (Bulandshahar)
  • 3. Kakran Jats ,Rajas of Sahanpur (Bijnor)
  • 4. Tomar Jats, Rajas of Pisawa (Aligarh)
  • 5. Thenua Jats, Rajas of Mursan (Aligarh)
  • 6. Thenua Jats, Rajas of Hathras
  • 7. Thenua Jats, Rajas of Beswa (Aligarh)
  • 8. Thenua Jats, Rajas of Jatoi (Aligarh)
  • 9. Tevatia Jats, Rajas of Ballabhgarh (Faridabad,Haryana)
  • 10. Bamraulia Jats, Rajas of Gohad (Gwalior, MP)
  • 11. Sinsinwar Jats, Rajas of Bharatpur
  • 12. Bamraulia Jats, Rajas of Dholpur
  • 13. Thenua Jats, Rajas of Mokimpur (Bulandshahar)
  • 14. Marhal Jats, Nawabs of Karnal(Haryana)
  • 15. -- Jats, Rajas of Paschim Kanth(Moradabad)
  • 16. -- Jats, Rajas of Purab Kanth(Moradabad)

Sir, were any other princely states ruled by Hindu Jats? Do you have any information about Daleep garh Estate or Muhiuddinpur estate..

I think we should make a separate page listing the Jat dynasties. Tomar7 (talk) 12:19, 14 December 2012 (EST)

Kind attention.

Burdakji, I had posted this on my user talk page yesterday.

"The editors,

Kindly create a page/link on Wiki for sharing latest discussion on Ancient Abode (Home) of the Jats and oblige."

Kindly see is it possible to create this as a separate page/link on General History page or not.

DrRajpalSingh (talk) 09:11, 20 December 2012 (EST)

narwat jat gotra

http://wikimapia.org/378772/Kheri-Kalan check this sir one person said that narwat is tanwar .is this true plz give me some deatial

Kheri Kalan is situated in the east of faridabd, Haryana. Now this area is Known as NAHARPAR Area Also called Greater Faridabad .This is the largest village Of jats . This is the village commonly known as the village of Jats. Although all the communities like Pandit,Harijan,Balmiki,Dhobi ,Kumahar,Naee& Some Mushilim etc. lived here happilly.This Village is come into the existence after war fought against Aurangzeb arrond 1669 to carry the doli of a jat girl. That was the first war of jats fought with the help of Jely.Ballam etc .This village was founded by groups of people Mainly 'Angpal Tanwer Gottras'. But after the war there were a panchayat occur .In the Panchayat 'NARWAT'Title was given to the that group of people .Word 'Narwat'Means the VEER in hindi language. Later on the Title has been converted in to the Narwat Gottra as the All the people (Mainly Jat) are of Narwat gotra's.That was the tital Narwat. Narwat means for powerful men . Who fought against Aurangzeb. There were four mohalla's at that time.There named as follow's-- 1 Sultan (Badeka),2Mahboob(Hagga),3 Harnarayana ( kavva),4 Sitaram ( Munda and Githara).The Muslim mohalla's were at the time of existence.But after 1947 there were little bit of Muslim were remain and living here happily.This village is come in to the existence after the first war of Jat's against Aurangzeb.One Group of worriers start here to live near the talab.There are five pokheres(ponds)still remain in the existence. So therefore its named is called khade to Kheri .Becouse the more population .later on ,It become in to two part one is called Kheri Kalan where mainly Jat lived with the other casts,The second part now kwon as Kheri Khurd where Thakurs lived with some other cast. In Kheri Kalan village there is ancient temple of UMAMAHESHWER which now known as Khera Dadi mandir .All the people of village have full faith.People pray here for there better futur of the village. Now it is beautiful and largest village of faridabad.-------Chaudhary Hukam Chand Narwat



meena samaj site copy jatland view . --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 09:02, 3 January 2013 (EST)

Namaskar

Friend,

Please visit, http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?35324-Chronology-of-Indian-History-Newer-discussions&p=335671#post335671

and read post 800.

Thanks

beniwal

sir ji kya beniwal or banipal same gotra hai . or kuch banibal bhi hai khandar me jo baniwal hi hai --JEETUTOMARJAT (talk) 03:37, 27 April 2013 (EDT)

Jat Veeron Ka Itihas

Burdak ji, Namaste. I have created the above page and would try to contribute material from the book which is available with me. Could you suggest other titles of the web-page, so that it becomes more searchable (in the same way you had done in the case of Thakur Deshraj's book)? You may redirect other titles to a suitable main title page. Dndeswal (talk) 13:32, 18 May 2013 (EDT)

Thanks Deswalji first create Index page or produce content of that page so that we can create wiki format.Laxman Burdak (talk) 13:46, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
Deswalji now the format is OK. You can add chapters one by one as and when you get time. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:22, 19 May 2013 (EDT)

Gotra Links in Jat History book by Dalip Singh Ahlawat

Burdak ji, Namaste. Please see this page:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_History_Dalip_Singh_Ahlawat/Parishisht-I

While I am wikifying this page of the book, I am also attempting to give links to gotra names (in Hindi). Please do the linking on left-out gotra names. Also, please click each name and see the links (because I may make some mistakes in gotra names/ or links. You know the gotra spellings very well. Regards. - User:Dndeswal

New gotras of Jats pages on Jat land Wiki

These days a number of pages have been created by giving references from Dalip Singh or Pema Ram's books. But nothing is told about their history origin villages etc. These pages could otherwise put to some better use. It seems not proper to quote the names of authors without giving at least one word more than mentioning the names only and creating page after page. Could you justify their utility, please.--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 09:29, 20 June 2013 (EDT)--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 09:29, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

Rajpalji, We are adding Gotra pages for further expansion and searchablity on Jatland in particular and on Internet media in general. Quoting books and authors to authenticate the gotras. Deswalji is wikifying Dalip Singh Ahlawat's Jat History. We are in continuous process to add gotra information from various sources. This will help in further research on Gotras. Do you think any harm in it ? Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:27, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

First Chapter of Jat Veeron ka Itihas

Burdak ji, Namaste. I got your message about gotras page. Got your point, will be careful in linking.

I have uploaded some images today on the following page-

Jat History Dalip Singh Ahlawat/Chapter I

Some of them are not appearing (Red sign appearing). Would you please fix it? I would start putting text into rest of the pages of the book on this particular page. Dndeswal (talk) 10:05, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

Deswalji, I can see all uploaded pages. I think there is some temporary problem. Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 10:52, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

Joon Jat history

Burdakji,

Namaskar !

Paging upto page 48 has been done including appending refrences in chapter 3. Kindly check and reset.

Thanks--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 12:47, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

my subscriptions

Burdakji.

R.S. Joon's History of Jats paging upto chapter V completed. Next will be undertaken now. Also, Kindly visit and see that I have erroneously rolled back some information on my page. Please restore the same

Thanks and regards--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 11:54, 20 September 2013 (EDT)

Rajpalji, I have restored your page and improved paging. Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:26, 20 September 2013 (EDT)

Chapter XIII of Jat History by Joon

Budakji,

The typing of above mentioned chapter of the book completed. Now you can prepare its wikified version.

Thanks and regards--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 09:38, 7 October 2013 (EDT)

Royal Races

Burdak ji, Namaste. Good to see information at page Royal_Races. Can a article also be created for "Martial Races" or "Martial Koum" (the terminology still used in Indian Army)? --Dndeswal (talk) 13:27, 27 February 2014 (EST)

Madhiwal

madhiwal is a jat gotra in tonk district of rajasthan add this....

Seems error in history section below, check and rectify

Burdak Ji for your kind attention [as desired by you to make special note in your talk page]

History

Bamraulia rulers of Gohad and Dholpur were rulers of Tilakapur.

Kindly check and rectify it, please.--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 08:28, 8 June 2014 (EDT)

seems impossible, kindly check and rectify if it is wrong

Burdak Ji for your kind attention [as desired by you to make special note in your talk page]please.

Rudrakot Pakistan

The following statement does not sound logical:

History

Bamraulia rulers of Gohad and Dholpur were rulers of Rudrakota.

--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 08:35, 8 June 2014 (EDT)

Jat organizations

Ram ram Laxman Ji, Kya hal hain aapke? Kya jat organizations me aur catagories bhi bana sakte hain, jaise hospitals owned by jats, realty companies etc.?

Regards. SitaRam Jakhar

भरतपुर जिले के छोंकरवाड़ा गाँव

चौधरी साहब जी भरतपुर जिले के छोंकरवाड़ा गाँव में छोंकर गोत्र के जाटों का एक भी घर नहीं है यह सिर्फ दिल्ली के जाखौद गाव से 1857 के बाद आकर बेस तंवर (तोमर) जाट है जिनको जाखौदिया भी बोलते है छोंकर तो नदबई के डेरा गाव में है इस गाव के दो भाग है कलां और खुर्द खुर्द में दूसरी जातियाना है जो छोटा भाग है तो आप से यह रिक्वेस्ट है जाटलैंड पर इस को सही करे और कुछ तोमर बांसी गाव रूपबास में है पर इस गाव में कुशवाह (कान्छी ) माली ज्यादा है जाट के सिर्फ कुछ घर है तो इस को ऐड कर सकते है क्या ?

Surun Gotra

suruns gotra ka ek ghar dadrewa me hai....ye bhiwani jile ke sandwa gav se aye hai....plz add this gotra...dr chandan

New Page on Aurangzeb

Burdak ji, Namaste. I have created a new page - Aurangzeb. You may expand it suitably. Please also give more links in the bottom of the page "Jatland Links". Thanks. --Dndeswal (talk) 04:58, 2 February 2015 (EST)

wanted to know about a jatt gotra

hello sir,

sir,i wanted to know about the history of virdi gotra of jats,its origin,its reference,can u let me know about this gotras ancient history,i will be very thankful to you

Balram Singh Vs. Bal Ram Jat

Burdak ji, Namaste. Please check these pages - Bal Ram Jat and Balram Singh. I doubt it is the same person. If so, please get the pages merged. Dndeswal (talk) 02:20, 2 March 2015 (EST)

Bal Ram Jat (Sorot) but Balram Singh (Teotia). Both are different. Laxman Burdak (talk) 02:35, 2 March 2015 (EST)

history about jatt gotra

sir,information regarding this gotra on internet is not correct as those are editing by individual users..so i wanted to know is this gotra virdi having any alternate ancient name or different name in history,,so as to find its roots from history,,any gazzetts regarding this gotra

नथमलपुरा गाँव के जाट गोत्र

आदरणीय लक्ष्मण जी

                            फागी तहसील के नथमलपुरा गाँव में केवल दहिया,धौल्या,और बेनीवाल गौत्र है इस गांव में भूरी,दादरवाल और गियाड गौत्र नहीं है यह नथमलपुरा की ढाणी के गौत्र है और ढाणी का गाव से कोई संबंध नहीं है बस उसका नाम गाँव के नाम पर है । दूसरी चीज़ यह कि नया मौजा और नथमलपुरा एक ही गाव के नाम है जयपुर और टोंक में नथमलपुरा को ही नया मौजा कहते है क्योंकि इसे जाटों ने बसाया था ।

नया मौजा गाँव

आदरणीय लक्ष्मण जी,

जैसा की मैंने आपको अपने पिछले सन्देश में बताया था कि नथमलपुरा और नया मौजा गाँव एक ही है,मौजा का नाम कागज़ातों में नथमलपुरा है और उसे जयपुर और टोंक में नया मौजा या मौजा कहते है एक मौजा टोंक में है जिसे अहिरो का मौजा कहते है और नया मौजा जाटों वाले मौजा गाँव को कहते है, मैं खुद मौजा का निवासी हूँ इसलिए आपसे निवेदन है की जाटलैंड साईट पर से नया मौजा गाँव का नाम हटा ले और केवल वहाँ नथमलपुरा रहने दे ताकि लोग भ्रमित ना हो और नया मौजा में भाम्भू गौत्र नहीं है वहाँ वही गोत्र है जो नथमलपुरा में है। सधन्यवाद

अभिमन्यु जी यहाँ हम गाँव के नाम का पेज Nathmalpura कर दिया है परंतु पेज के अंदर इतिहास को समझने के लिए नया मौज़ा भी उल्लेखित किया है। अब सुधार हो गया है। आप नोट लिख कर हस्ताक्षर भी कर दिया करें। ~ के निशान को चार बार दबड़ें तो आपके हस्ताक्षर अपने आप हो जाएंगे। या एडिट बाक्स के नाचे यह निशान देख कर दबड़ें। Laxman Burdak (talk) 06:36, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

जयपुर और टोंक के जाट गौत्र

आदरणीय लक्ष्मण जी,

मैं आपके सामने एक प्रश्न उठाना चाहता हु जाट गौत्र के नाम को लेकर, जाटलैंड साईट पर जयपुर और टोंक के कई गौत्र एक होते हुए भी उनके नाम अलग दे रखे है जैसे दहिया और दिया, बेनीवाल को भांडवल या भांडरवाल, अनाड़ी और नाड़ी, कुण्डरवाल और कुंतल, सगीवाल और सिनसिनवार , मैं आपको बताना चाहता हु के दिया, भांडवल,नाड़ी,सगीवाल,कुण्डरवाल और डेहरवाल यह गौत्र इन जिलो की आम बोलचाल की भाषा में बोले जाते है पर इनके सही उच्चारण मैंने इनके साथ लिखे है इसलिए आप से अनुरोध है के इन गोत्रों के नाम आप साईट पर सही करे ताकि एक ही गौत्र बार बार साईट पर दोहराय नहीं जाये और अपनी गौत्र का सही नाम लोगो को पता पड़ सके। मैं इन गोत्रो के नामो के विषय में आपकी राय जानना चाहूँगा।

इस के लिए प्रावधान है कि जो सबसे ज्यादा प्रचलित नाम है उसके पेज में मर्ज कर देंगे। कोई नाम है तो उसको समझने के लिए और भाषा भेद के अंतर को जानने के लिए कम प्रचलित शब्द को विलोपित करना ठीक नहीं है। मर्ज करने के लिए आप के पास ठोस आधार होना चाहिए। अलग पेज बने रहने से कोई हानी नहीं है। मर्ज करने का काम कभी आवश्यकता अनुसार किया जा सकता है। Laxman Burdak (talk) 06:44, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

टोंक और जयपुर के जाट

आदरणीय लक्ष्मण जी,

मैं आपसे एक जानकारी जानना चाहता हु, जयपुर और टोंक जिले के सभी जाट गोत्र करीब करीब 100 सालो से तीन श्रेणियों में बटे है (1)आँजना या आण्णा (2) धौल्या या जठ्उँदलया (3) झोझा, इन तीन श्रेणियों में यहाँ के जाट गोत्र बटे हुये है, जिनमे कभी भी आपस में विवाह नहीं होते है, तो में आपसे जानना चाह रहा था के क्या जयपुर और टोंक के अलावा भी जाट किसी और जिलो में भी ऐसे ही बटे हुए है। गाँव के बड़े बुजुर्गो से पूछने पर पता चला के करीब 100 साल पहले गाँव बड़ली(चाकसू) में जाट समाज की पंचायत हुई उसमे जिन गोत्रो ने समाज के अंदर शराब और मांस को चालू रहने की स्वीकृति दी वे गोत्र आँजणा जाटों में चले गए, जिन्होंने शराब और मांस बंद करने की वकालत की वे गोत्र धौल्या जाटों में चले गए और वे गोत्र जिन्होंने किसी भी तरफ का समर्थन नहीं किया वे गोत्र झोझा जाटों में चले गए। कहते है के बड़ली गाँव के तालाब पर आज भी उस दिन की पंचायत का शिलालेख लगा हुआ है, तो क्या यह जाट समाज के इतिहास से जुडी घटना सही है या गलत यह बताए और क्या बड़ली में कोई ऐसा शिलालेख है?

अभिमन्यु जी यह जानकारी मुझे नहीं है। बड़ली(चाकसू) के शिलालेख की जानकारी हो तो यहाँ दे सकते हैं। जाटों में आम तौर पर कोई भेदभाव नहीं होता यही जाट की विशेषता है। Laxman Burdak (talk) 06:49, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

sir m sure hu yeh dono village up m h or punjabi jato ke h jo hindu hi h han district muzaffarnagar ya meerut m change ho sakta h kyu ki up m dostrict border change hote rhte h . Jaise ghatayan gaan adha muzzaffarnagar m h adha meerut me

Sir.ji m sure hu yeh up h punjabi hindu jat k gaon h han district change ho gyi ho yeh ho sakta h up m sarkar change hote hi district map change ho jata h jaise ghatayan village half meerut m half muzaffarnagar me h mere pass punjabi jato k up k 1048 Gaon ko list h gotra wise

Gujarat Jat officers

Sir,

grt efforts, some corrections for the page Jats in Gujarat.

Jat officers in Gujarat.

Mahavir Singh Dagar - IAS 1984 batch , P S Narmada and Water Resources Department, Gujarat Tirth Raj Singh - IPS, 1991 batch, ADGP, Human Rights. Ajay Tomar - IG - BSF, New delhi(on deputation) Smt. Sunaina Tomar - IAS from Rajasthan, Jt. Sec, Textiles Ministry(on deputation) Shamsher Singh - IG - ACB, Gujarat. Ajay Bhadu - IAS 1999 batch, PS to CM, originally from Sikar Rajasthan. Vijay Nehra - IAS 2001 batch, Rajkot Municipal Commissioner, originally from Sihot Chhoti (Sikar), Rajasthan. Sandeep Singh - IPS 2004 batch, Surat Rural SP, From shamli (gotra chauhan) Anil Dhaka - IRS 2004, Additional Commissioner Income Tax, Ahmedabad. Rajkumar Beniwal - IAS 2004 batch , Collector Ahmedabad, originally from Mandawara, Hindaun, Karauli, Rajasthan. Rajesh Manjhu - IAS 2004 batch, Jt. Secy to Govt., (Budget), Finance Deptt, Gandhinagar. Manish Godara - IRS 2007 batch, Deputy Commisioner Customs, Gandhidham. Dharmveer Tandi - IRAS 2008 batch, Railways, Bhavnagar.(from Jodhpur) Vidhi chaudhary - IPS 2009 batch, DCP Zone 7, Ahmedabad.(from balsamand, nagaur) Ram Ratan Nala - IFS 2011 batch, DCF - GIR, Junagad( from merta, nagaur) Sanjeev Chahar - IRS 2011 batch, ADIT - Gandhidham(investigation wing) (from chirawa, Jhunjhunu) Gautam Singh Chaudhary - IRS 2012 batch, ACIT Baroda.(from khinvsar, Nagaur) Dharmendra Punia, IRS 2012, ADIT Jamnagar. Sharavan Ram, IRS 2012, Customs, Surat.(from merta, nagaur) Vikram Singh Malik, IAS 2012, Daman, (agmut cadre) Praveen Chaudhary, IAS 2013, SDM Kheda, (from balsamand, nagaur) Mohan Ram Legha, IFS 2013, ACF, Vyara, Narmada. Vikas Siyol, GJS 2012, JFCM Ahmedbabd.(from Barmer)(son in law of Sawai Singh Godara IPS) Himanshu Chaudhary, GJS 2012, JFCM Anand.(from Bikaner) Narendra Singh, GJS 2012, JFCM Junagad.(from nagaur) Sunil Chaudhary, GJS 2012,Viramgam Arjun Singh, GJS 2012, Bharuch -- by Rynsingh

Thanks Singh Saheb for corrections. I have updated all concerned pages on Wiki. Laxman Burdak (talk) 02:49, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

दहिया गोत्र

आदरणीय लक्ष्मण जी,

आपके जाट क्लाण और जाट वंश के ऊपर लिखे आर्टिकल को पढ़ा, उसे पढ़ने में कुछ असुविधा हुई क्योंकि वह हिंदी में नहीं था और दूसरी बात यह की एक वंश में 2 गोत्र हो सकते है पर एक गोत्र में 2 वंश नहीं हो सकते परंतु दहिया गोत्र नागवंश में भी है और सूर्यवंश में भी ऐसा क्यों कृपया इस बारे में जानकारी दे ।

अभिमन्यू जी ऐसा प्रतीत होता है कि मूल रूप से दहिया चंद्रवंशी हैं परंतु नागवंशियों में से कुछ लोग दहिया राज्य संघ में सम्मिलित हुये होंगे जिसके कारण दहिया को नागवंश कुछ इतिहासकारों द्वारा बताया जा रहा है। खोज जारी है। अंतिम रूप से तथ्यों का पता लगने पर सुधार किया जाएगा। Laxman Burdak (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

Duplicate files need to be cleaned up

Please see Special:ListDuplicatedFiles - click on the "has a duplicate link"... Links should be updated and dupes deleted (in most cases only one of the file is linked from any content page.